Lies work both ways George

The rewards for political lying are massive: they include winning referendums and elections. The penalties are either nonexistent or tiny.

This being one of the few times when tu quoque is logically valid. Have you actually read the newspaper you work for on the subject of American access to the NHS? Jezza’s claims? On claims of poverty when inequality is meant? On many a subject in fact.

17 thoughts on “Lies work both ways George”

  1. Well yes but the question is always, to what extent , how much, numbers please.
    The Brexit liars promised a Brexit bonus that most of them at least dimly understood to be a lie . The overwhelming majority of Brexit voters actually believed the bus. They have continued to blame immigration for housing costs low wages crime and underfunded services all of which are poisonous lies . It is on this stinking pile pf manure we are supposed to build a new country ..well that is not happening on my watch

    Today ” Sir” John Redwood is warning pepes of the fiscal issues associated with Labour – this is what I had to say and you can bet he will not post it

    “The 1997-2010 Labour government lasted longer because for the first few years it followed inherited Conservative spending and tax plans which worked.” ( he said )

    John Major`s spending plans to be exact; a politician Sir John Redwood feels has no place in the Conservative Party. During the entire Blair period borrowing did not exceed 35% . It is now well over 80% of GDP and forecast to get into the 90s under Johnsons meandering opportunistic mess of a plan , a level not seen since the mid sixties when France an Germany sped past rip off Britain , the sick man of Europe
    The reference to PFIs is presumably a rhetorical fig leaf to cover the shame of this thread bare argument. Whilst PFI`s may be high profile borrowing the extent of them was insignificant in terms of overall debt.
    The lesson of History is that Major and Blair presided over fiscal continence as did George Osborne . Leaving John Redwood in charge of National borrowing is leaving a dog in charge of the sausages.

    PS
    I do not have to apologise for Corbyn he is on your side and always has been, the Communists Nationalists are always liars because they think the outcome justifies the process. Communists love to remind us how many lf them the Nazis offed and love to forget how easy many more found it to switch between one lunatic cause and another.

  2. Astounding hypocrisy from the ever-pompous Moonbat.

    Still, it is worth remembering that some people are even more delusional and mendacious. And at least Moonbat can express himself coherently.

  3. Facepaint–Broon fucked up Bliar’s finances very nicely.. 4 bill a year pissed away on tens of billions of PFI debt may be nothing in your high-rolling Universe –the high bit is certainly true–but it adds up for mere pleb mortals.

    You and that delusional SOS Moonbat are two of a kind. Mental cases so ensqualmed by the blizzard of your own middle class Marxist lies you speak upside down and back to front BEFORE the bullshit is added in–by the ton.

  4. Rather interesting to see there are a few polls around showing that the Tories are more trusted on the NHS than Labour. They seem to have been busy shooting themselves in both feet.

  5. As far as J can see Labour`s fiscal rules imply allowing debt to drift up to something like 200% of GDP .Its just fucking disgraceful that the meeja allow this gibberish to float around as if it meant something

  6. On the other hand, their being public figures (U.S. law) means we can call ’em turds and be insulated from defamation.

    ‘The rewards for political lying are massive’

    I’m not going to read his article. I assume this is std Lefty tripe, a liar lying about lying. The Left is Truth; the right is lying.

  7. “Stop lying!”, says man who claims a harmless trace gas that comprises 0.04% of the atmosphere will kill us all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  8. Newmania said:
    “They have continued to blame immigration for housing costs low wages crime and underfunded services all of which are poisonous lies”

    So increasing the population doesn’t (all other things being equal) increase house prices? Yes, you can build more to offset it (if the same government that allowed increased immigration didn’t also restrict house building), but for whatever given level of housing stock we’ve got, increasing the population is going to increase the cost.

  9. So increasing the population doesn’t (all other things being equal) increase house prices?

    Forget it, Jake. It’s Clowntown.

  10. “The penalties are either nonexistent or tiny.”

    What people like Georgie simply do not grasp is how deep they are in the bubble. All their mates are lefty liberals. So, when someone says Tories are evil and stupid, there’s nothing to counter that. They have no idea what a lot of voters are like. They know the Tories are sometimes fibbing. Lots of them know that £350m was bending the truth. Then they look at the alternative: a commie Jew hater with a record of blatant, amateur lies.

    More people should do some canvassing and not in their comfort zone. Knock on a few doors where you meet a Labour, Green or LD voter and properly talk to them. You might not agree with them, but you get an insight into their POV. I do think Labour are actually evil at this election, mind. But LD voters tend to be OK.

  11. Bloke on M4 said:
    “What people like Georgie simply do not grasp is how deep they are in the bubble. All their mates are lefty liberals.”

    Indeed.

    Today, having a lunchtime couple of pints and a burger in Wetherspoons, and keeping my ears open, has greatly increased my confidence in a Tory victory. The comments about Corbyn were scathing, and I was hardly in True Blue territory..

  12. “Today, having a lunchtime couple of pints and a burger in Wetherspoons, and keeping my ears open, has greatly increased my confidence in a Tory victory. The comments about Corbyn were scathing, and I was hardly in True Blue territory..”

    I had my hair cut today, and the lady who always cuts mine is my political bellwether – it was getting my hair cut after voting in the EU referendum that convinced me Leave could win – she explained to me how she had dragged her entire family out to vote Leave, including several children who never vote normally. Today she was scathing about Corbyn and hardly any more complimentary about Swinson, who she memorably described as ‘A prissy faced Head Girl type who looks like she needs a good slapping’.

  13. @Pcar: what everyone needs to remember is that the vast majority of every productivity increase in agricultural winds up in the pockets of everyone other than farmers. A lot ends up in the pockets of retailers and food processors, some ends up in the pockets of those who produce inputs for agriculture, and the rest ends up in the pocket of the consumer. Farmers get bugger all of it. The price of wheat in the 1970s adjusted for inflation would be close to £500/tonne. Today its about £140. My father sold wheat at that price in the early 1990s after Black Wednesday. Thats over 25 years and not even a nominal price increase.

    So given we farmers have seen no benefit from all the growth in prices over the last 70 years, and have managed to survive only by increasing productivity, we would be entirely happy to go back to the methods of 50 years ago, after all we made it work then, and we can make it work again. Instead of one man and a combine the size of a house harvesting thousands of acres, it would be 20 men driving combines the size of a small lorry. We could go back to using horses if needs be. We can stop using fertilisers and pesticides, as it won’t be farmers who are paying for it, because we get none of the benefits of the massive increases in productivity that have occurred over the last 70 years. The losers will be you, the consumers. Instead of paying c.10% of your income on food it would be 25-30% or more. Just as it used to be when no one could afford flights abroad every five minutes, and 3 car households, and 72″ plasma TVs, electronic gadgets that cost a months wages and eating out 5 nights a week.

    The public can have whatever sort of agriculture it wants , it just needs to decide how much it wants to pay for food. Sort that out, and farmers will do the rest.

  14. @Jim

    Thanks. My belief is let farmers do what they want. Grow veg, meat, trees, hedges… whatever works best for them on their land.

    Like the combine ref, those machines were large in 1980s and worked 24/7 in harvest. They are enormous now.

    On profits, probably too low; but the profit now is for your family, not twenty+ families. I want farming as efficient as possible and bollocks to green crap.

    I’m with pragmatic https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stuart+agnew+MEP

  15. The green craps is free to try and compete. I don’t want green morons subsidising their mates and big oil…..

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