My word Polly

This was all done a few weeks back, was it?

Or almost done, as first and second readings are dashed through the Johnsonised Commons, disregarding the notion a bill should be published first to allow at least a week to scrutinise it before voting on the second reading. But to hell with rules, precedents, procedure. From now on, the will and whim of Boris Johnson is iron law.

All that faffing about with different bills and insistences on Brexit in the last Parliament? All published a week in advance?

But Johnson seems resolute against that path, a populist following the country’s choice of romance over economic well-being.

Isn’t that rather what he’s supposed to be doing?

36 thoughts on “My word Polly”

  1. But to hell with rules, precedents, procedure.

    She is a dozy old trout. The “to hell with” era was the era of Bercow and that’s mercifully in the past.

  2. i do have a worry that there could still be no economic benefits from Brexit

    a) UK abides by all EU regs as a condition for tariff / quota free trade with EU
    b) Boris/ a.n. other tries to ‘outdo’ EU regs (e.g. in the greenieshpere)
    c) UK free trade agreements (maybe as a result of above) not any more advantageous than those other countries have with the EU .
    d) Corporation tax doesn’t go down/ is agreed with EU not to go down.
    e) State aid rules go out the window. and national champions becomes a thing again.
    f) Boondoggles galore for Scotland, t’North, Brumdom, and Norniron.
    g) British farm subsidy same or more as CAP
    h) UK performance in inward foreign investment really was largely down to Single market membership (so declines relative to EU).

    Not to say that i’m on board with Polly who insists economic decline is the only thing that can happen as an article of faith, and without knowing much about it anyway, but just because i recognise there is the potential for economic benefits I still have to honest and say they aren’t in the bag yet. … and may not ever be.

  3. The kind of insane lefty policies that are advocated by people like Polly won’t cause any economic decline then?

  4. Pol used to write for the Radio Times. Which is why I cancelled it.

    I wrote the post below for Samizdata–I am posting it here as Samiz anti-spam is playing silly buggers again.

    Agreed.

    Just been looking at the Christmas Radio Times.

    When I was a kid it was a mini-treat when my Mam brought home the Xmas Radio and TV times. I used to write down all the good shows that were in store that year.

    Alright things have changed. Video and all that followed have done in the big Xmas film etc. But…

    This year:

    A new Scrooge: described as “dark and edgy…some people will have trouble with the swearing and sex scenes”

    A new “pan-sexual” Dracula–in drag?

    An M R James ghost story–adapted by Gatiss . Who can do good work hemmed in by having to adapt other’s work–his “Tractate Middoth” was alright tho’ the protagonist had become an Indian albeit with a British accent. The period was moved to the 1950;s so the character could have been an Anglo-Indian rather than just a Marxist shoehorn.

    But Gatiss’s original effort of last year was original rubbish. Consisting of Simon Callow rambling about some homosexual encounter in the summer of 76. The only “ghostly” bit being some wobbly camera work. The channel was changed after 10 minutes of drivel. The Signalman it wasn’t.

    This years effort is about a impregnated and abandoned girl who returns as a vengeful ghost. That was the original story. Tailor-made for a Marxist-femmifreak makeover.

    There is an Agatha Christie effort as well. Considering that they tried to turn last years “ABC Murders” into an anti-capitalist, anti-Brexit tract I put no faith in this years being any better.

    Their Yuletide links should say “The BBC pisses on Christmas”.

    Time the BBC/C4 were gone.

  5. a populist following the country’s choice of romance over economic well-being.” complains woman who wanted John McDonnell running the economy.

  6. I’m devastated that we aren’t going to be overflowing with the Venezuela-style riches that would have followed a Corbyn win. I was planning to retire if he won, and live off the millions that would soon be coming my way.

  7. “a) UK abides by all EU regs as a condition for tariff / quota free trade with EU”
    For goods traded with EU, but a free hand for trade elsewhere

    “g) British farm subsidy same or more as CAP”
    CAP is bad for reasons other than just its total amount. And we’re a net contributor right now, paying CAP for the French, for instance.

  8. @HB
    You a-h of things that could go wrong is a good summary of the EU negotiating position. They have a zero-sum view of the economy and they are not “our friends”.

  9. NDR- “For goods traded with EU” yeah so the question is whether the economic activity lost b.c. of EU regs plus economic activity gained as a result of freer (outside EU) trade is greater than the net economic activity that would be lost with the imposition of EU/UK tariffs. Someone somewhere is presumably estimating and comparing the two– it sure ain’t Polly but hopefully Boris has a trustworthy calculation to hand.

    CAP – yeah, i haven’t read it but I don’t think the Tory pamphlet that passed for their manifesto mentions what they’re going to replace it with. Boris doesn’t strike me as likely to declare NZed style zero support. Makes economic sense but he’d be politically vulnerable. A windswept shepherdess living on a fell and a flock of 100 herdwicks (and an IG account) would be brought down to portray him as heartless. Maybe the moonbat rewilding could be co-opted (the type that doesn’t involve paying people to rear beavers instead of Sheep) as a possible out flanking proposition to that but i wouldn’t hold my breath)

    Philip- Agree. Eu priority is to leave negotiations with their members’ perception that it’s better to be in the EU than out. If that means taking a hit in order to deliver a harder hit, they’ll do it.

  10. Re- cap– I looked it up. They’re going to replace it not abolish it. It doesn’t quite say that the amounts will be the same,but it’s implied.

    “Once we have got Brexit done, we
    will free our farmers from the
    bureaucratic Common Agricultural
    Policy and move to a system based
    on ‘public money for public goods’.
     To support this transition, we will
    guarantee the current annual budget
    to farmers in every year of the next
    Parliament.
     In return for funding, they must farm
    in a way that protects and enhances
    our natural environment, as well as
    safeguarding high standards of animal
    welfare.
     When we leave the EU, we will be able
    to encourage the public sector to
    ‘Buy British’ to support our farmers”

  11. When we leave the EU, we will be able to encourage the public sector to ‘Buy British’ to support our farmers

    Are “Buy British” campaigns currently verboten?

  12. It’s still managed, so yeah any specially selected wildlife could be said to be ‘reared’ notwithstanding Moonbat some think of as a front beaver.

  13. OK,

    And if it didn’t stop Vince (who was a member of the Government at that time), presumably it needn’t stop anyone else?

  14. Tim – a few clauses were changed from the last version of the bill. These were debated during the readings, so there must have been time to read if. It was mostly removing stuff about refugee children and so on that never had any business being in this bill, but had been included to swing a couple of extra votes

  15. Dennis, Septic to the Masses

    Not to say that i’m on board with Polly who insists economic decline is the only thing that can happen as an article of faith, and without knowing much about it anyway, but just because i recognise there is the potential for economic benefits I still have to honest and say they aren’t in the bag yet. … and may not ever be.

    True, but only if your PM turns out to be an incompetent pussy.

    The Great Obama famously said that there was no “magic wand” to bring back manufacturing jobs to the USA. He was right about that. What it took was an understanding of the problem, formulation of the correct remedial actions, and goal-directed hard work.

    The Great Obama didn’t try because he was incompetent: He had no understanding of the problem, much less any idea of how to address the problem. And he was a grade A pussy because he was more concerned with keeping China, Mexico and the EU happy with him than standing up and forcefully representing the interests of the country he lead.

    That’s what incompetent pussies do.

    So the only question is whether Boris will turn out to be a competent, goal-directed leader of the nation, or whether he’ll be an incompetent pussy who’d rather worry about what cunts like Emmanuel Macron and Jean-Claude Juncker think about him than work hard making life better for those he is supposed to represent, lead and protect.

  16. Bloke in North Dorset

    Hallowed Be

    i do have a worry that there could still be no economic benefits from Brexit

    a) UK abides by all EU regs as a condition for tariff / quota free trade with EU

    That’s the close alignment position which, IIRC, Boris has already implied, if not said outright, he’s not interested. It probably won’t matter much but the ERG will be all over him if he does.

    b) Boris/ a.n. other tries to ‘outdo’ EU regs (e.g. in the greenieshpere)

    Definitely a worry, anything for a quiet life – both domestically and keeping XR and the rest off his back while they get on with other stuff.

    d) Corporation tax doesn’t go down/ is agreed with EU not to go down.

    Hasn’t he said they’re going to stop the planned cut to pay for some the spending in the North?

    e) State aid rules go out the window. and national champions becomes a thing again.

    About the only good thing about the EU. Another worry.

    f) Boondoggles galore for Scotland, t’North, Brumdom, and Norniron.

    AIUI any extra money spent in England will be matched by an increase in the Barnett Formula payments. Although TBF Boris was prepared to throw the DUP under a bus so there’s some hope he won’t bow to pressure from the other nations. The North and Brum regions, on the other hand now have a very powerful caucus inside the Tory party (see point e).

    g) British farm subsidy same or more as CAP

    There’s a lot of pressure in the party to keep/put tariffs on food. I’m always berating my MP for effectively wanting a return to the corn laws to protect British farmers, and he’s just been lauded as a liberal Tory!

  17. Let me get back up on my hobby horse again. The big mistake Brexiteers made at the time of the Referendum was thinking that winning a narrow plurality was the end of the matter. Don’t make the same mistake now of thinking that the election of a Conservative government is the end of the matter.

    Boris the Unreliable has two choices:

    (a) He can do his best Mrs May impersonation, push BRINO through parliament, and then divert attention to more pressing matters like putting the regulations, taxes, and subsidies in place to make the UK “carbon neutral”.

    (b) He can aim for Brexit rather than BRINO, knowing that the EU will then do everything in its power to make an example out of the UK. In a world where the UK is tied into an immense number of other agreements apart from the EU (everything from NATO to air traffic control), the opportunities for mischief are legion.

    Given what we know about Boris, a gambler would be more likely to bet on Option (a). But time will tell.

  18. They could have sat down with Theresa May after 2017 and negotiated a version of Brexit more to their liking. Instead, they tried to overturn it and lost bigly.

    I’ve no idea why motherfuckers like Polly expect us to play nice with them after that shit. I’m hoping that Cummings goes after every pointless leftist bit of government and burns it to the ground.

  19. @Mr Ecks

    When I was a kid it was a mini-treat when my Mam brought home the Xmas Radio and TV times. I used to write down all the good shows that were in store that year.

    +1 Me too. A highlight was Billy Smart’s Circus.

    Now it’s wall to wall crap

    Trevor Phillips: The ‘woke’ BBC is facing an existential crisis over its political correctness and rampant Toryscepticism
    ‘“Worst of all, the increasingly “woke” behaviour by the corporation is endangering the central justification for special treatment, which is its universal reach.

    “The BBC has to recognise social change, but it is not the institution’s role to lead it; speculating about same-sex couples on Strictly, when the ballroom dancing world has not yet considered such a change, feels like putting the political cart before the cultural horse.”

    Downing Street has already imposed a blanket ban on ministers appearing on BBC’s flagship Today programme and Channel 4 News

    Well said Mr Phillips, BBC hearing this from a Labour IC3 SJW may be the kick up the ass it sorely needs

  20. Bloke in North Dorset- good points.

    How i see it is Polly says she’s worried about the econ impact. She’s plainly not. As stoneyground mooted, she proposes all sorts of stuff hourly without a whiff of understanding or care of the economic fall out. To give her the most generous interpretation of her views, she’s actually worried about the mitigating actions that’ll be necessary tp offset or surpass the direct and indirect costs of new trade barriers with EU countries. She don’t like low corporation tax. Ok but if it compensates for the thing that you say will harm uk corporations, then it’s really the lowering of taxes you don’t like not the econ harm.

    So we will see.

  21. Dennis, he who etcetera etcetera*

    wasn’t it Steve jobs who told him ” those jobs are gone and they’re not coming back”. sure don’t take Steve’s word for it, but a little worried that pursuing manufacturing for manufacturing’s sake is a fool’s errand. But yeah, agree, we’re yet to see the mettle of Boris’s pasture, very curious to see what happens myself.

    * (referencing a thing a Brit general addressed a missive to George Washington to avoid recognising his rebel congressional appointed titles)

  22. “Boris the Unreliable …”: I don’t know about that. I suspect that he will reliably let people down. But look at the alternatives.

  23. But look at the alternatives.

    Treason May was an alternative to Boris and she sucked worse than Cherie Blair’s blowjobs.

    f) Boondoggles galore for Scotland, t’North, Brumdom, and Norniron.

    That’s a worry, obviously. Boris trying to make sure that the voters who came to the Tories to get BRExit don’t revert to Labour next time around. I’m hoping the worst excesses can be balanced off EU savings like the cancellation of HS2, etc.

    As for things like a Scotland -> Larne (NI) bridge, it’s not necessarily a bad idea, indeed if we are intent on keeping NornIron in the union it makes some sense both politically and economically.

    It might even help to ameliorate some of the worst fears of the RoI as well, once they sack the gay Indian impersonating a Taoiseach and replace him with someone who is prepared to deal with the reality of BRExit rather than just bitching constantly about how unfair it is on the Paddies.

    Obviously, benefits of a UK->NornIron bridge need to be based upon reality and needs to consider unlikely events such as what happens if Wee Jimmy Sturgeon and her band of demented porridge wogs ever achieve Independence. The EU would love to get their bureaucratic hands on such a prize as the bridge and might even silence Spanish dissent to make Nicola’s wet dream of Scottish “independence” within the EU (which is so farcical it sickens me).

    Not that I can see the Scots ever voluntarily giving up their subsidy blackmail against Westminster, but you never know what tomorrow brings.

    Happy Solstice everybody!

  24. Definitely a worry, anything for a quiet life – both domestically and keeping XR and the rest off his back while they get on with other stuff.

    Why would any Conservative PM be worried about XR? They are a godsend. Fucking lunatic, pampered upper-middle class wankers acting like c*nts towards ordinary people. I would be horrified if I was on the ‘Green’ side and saw these twats ‘representing’ me in public.

  25. Bloke in North Dorset

    “ Why would any Conservative PM be worried about XR? ”

    They wouldn’t, Maggie would have given them short shrift, but as we’ve observed here many times, the jury’s out on whether or not this lot are conservatives.

  26. Dennis, Just Dennis

    Hallowed Be –

    Apple is bringing some its manufacturing back to the USA under Trump’s watch. Things change. They change even faster and even more to your benefit if you work at it.

    And if you’re the POTUS, you don’t just take Steve Job’s word for it and then declare you can’t do a thing. Unless you’re an incompetent pussy, that is.

  27. Hmmm . . . my post disappeared. To summarize, Polly is building a straw man of false characterization. Same as Trump Derangement Syndrome. “Trump wants to put children in cages!”

  28. @John Galt December 22, 2019 at 4:56 am

    Ulsterman here,
    An NI-Scot bridge (EU HS NI?) makes no economic sense as their aren’t sufficient people and goods crossing to merit it. Plus, like Forth, it would regularly be closed due to high wind speeds.

    The biggest “hate” of to/from NI is getting to/from Cairnryan ferry to Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Glasgow etc and a bridge doesn’t alter that, hence why most fly

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