OK, so we’re not exactly Trumpists here

I certainly haven’t been, I was always more “Please, not Hillary”. And it’s true that watching American politics has been most amusing these past few years as the cultural divide opens out into a chasm. Perhaps not quite the ruling oligarchy but certainly prevailing political fashion has found that some half the country just doesn’t agree. And that in a democracy they do indeed have a voice.

But this seems to be missing part of the point:

Donald Trump has been impeached by the House of Representatives, becoming only the third US president to suffer the ignominy and bringing him a step closer to being removed from office.

Two articles of impeachment were passed over his behaviour in the Ukraine scandal – one for abuse of power and the other for obstruction of Congress.

Not a single Republican voted for either article – a fact the White House seized on to portray the Democrats’ impeachment drive as motivated by political bias.

Yes, OK, Trump, whatever.

But does anyone really think that it’s not political bias driving this? Not particularly D such either, but the establishment being pissed at that apple cart being rocked?

41 thoughts on “OK, so we’re not exactly Trumpists here”

  1. we’re not exactly Trumpists here

    I don’t know about that. For instance Dennis the Tiresome says in another thread that he loves that man and while I shouldn’t go that far myself he seems to do what he said he’ll do, he sticks up for his country and, best of all, he gets up the nose of all the right people over there, over here and everywhere else.

  2. Of course it’s political; it’s to show any Republican who doesn’t get with the agenda what will happen to them, just like the lies and smears directed at Bret Kavanaugh.

    As for Trump, he hasn’t been able to deliver on any of his campaign promises: the Wall, no more Middle Eastern Wars, massive cuts to immigration. Whether it’s because he’s unable to because of The Swamp, or he’s unwilling to because he’s just become another tool of the donors, who knows?
    Sad.

  3. Trump is a blow-hard ego maniac who is amusing in office, but I have to question his effectiveness. Still better than Killary though.

    In my view this is just the Democrats trying to hide their own ineptitude. Clear political bias across the board, which is why it will all get tossed at the first Senate vote.

    If the Democrats had controlled both House and Senate then it wouldn’t have been so easy for Trump, but no matter how much the Republicans dislike Trump, they hate Nancy Pelosi and her bunch of nutters even more.

    No doubt Nancy Pelosi will then blame “political bias in the Senate” for the inevitable failure of impeachment hearings there. The hypocrisy is monumental, but not surprising.

    Even if they did force an impeachment on Trump, they’d just end up with Mike Pence, who is arguably worse from their perspective. There is no “win” here for the Democrats. Just a bit of political PR to make The Donald look bad.

    It’s a nothing burger.

  4. It also takes attention away from the real corruption of Biden, whose son admitted that Burisma wouldn’t have employed him if he hadn’t been the son of the Vice President.

  5. @Jonathan – As for Trump, he hasn’t been able to deliver on any of his campaign promises:

    I was under the impression that he’d delivered “in Spades” on some of them, taxation and employment being the two that spring to mind. Certainly, the denizens of “the rust belt” would appear to have a lot to thank him for.

    I assume that the R-dominated Senate will strike down the impeachment, it’s complete and utter “waaah, it’s not fair” from Congress. Doesn’t stop the BBC from creaming its corporate Y-Fronts in the meantime – then all will go quiet.

  6. What puzzles me, is how come the Dems have become seized by a death wish. Why would supposedly intelligent politicians undertake this kamikaze tactic ? Skeletons galore are falling out of the cupboard and they are coming across as deranged. Surely not a good look in an election year.

    But as we have seen here, turkeys do indeed vote for Christmas.

  7. Skeletons galore are falling out of the cupboard and they are coming across as deranged.

    Because they are trying to avoid an investigation into their own criminal activity and see attack as the best possible means of defence under the circumstances, even something as pointless and destined to fail as this.

  8. If I were a Republican senator, I would delay throwing the whole thing out until you’ve had a really good chance to air some fabulously dirty Dem laundry, dirty laundry that the House has spent a great deal of time desperately refusing anyone else permission to air.

    Can they declare the House to holding the Constitution in contempt or something?

  9. But does anyone really think that it’s not political bias driving this?

    Literally nobody thinks that, but to some extent it doesn’t matter.

    Some bloke recently posted an article by Popper about the purpose of democracy being to let people change the government without resorting to violence.

    But, as we’ve seen with the three national elections it took – in addition to the referendum – to “get Brexit done”, that only works when both sides respect democratic norms.

    The progressive stack doesn’t care about democracy, it only cares about winning. That they were openly scheming to impeach BLUMPH before he even took office won’t move their coalition much.

    I expect Trump will be reelected in 2020, just as I expect Boris will achieve some reasonable facsimile of Brexit, but that still leaves us with with the problem of an evil elite that wants us broken and dead, our kids raped and brainwashed, and thinks it’s funny.

    This is why the Frogs occasionally give their leaders free haircuts, and why James II got a permanent holiday in France. Maybe we’ll find a good use for St Kilda yet.

  10. Been living in the states for 6 years. What’s happened here has the same roots as what’s happened in the UK over the last few years and much of it is the result of the internet and particularly social media having two completely contrary effects. On the one hand the internet has made things much more transparent and disinter-mediated the msm gatekeepers. So we dont only get the same party/partisan line that we used to get. BBC or CNN are no longer the only source for information, and people are finding out that they’re biased if not outright bent. So more information is getting out there. Not all of it is true, but some of it is, which was not happening 20 years ago. So we’re hearing much more about the contempt, jobs for the boys, and soft corruption than we used to. So people are becoming disenchanted with the ruling elites who in many cases view them with contempt. The democrats/labour are hit particularly badly by this because the belief that the man in the street is too stupid to make his own decisions and must be managed by the state is kind of central to their philosophy. Dont get me wrong, the same thing has happened to the conservative/republican establishment, but it started much earlier in the US (tea party) and happened over a longer time. In the UK, it’s been slower and calmer because the Brits are not as excitable – probably started with Maggie, maybe Nigel (yes I know that doesnt fit with my “caused by the net” theory). The latest result of this was Trumps election/Brexit. Both were a clear rejection of the establishment.

    On the flip side the reaction of the left can be explained largely by social media. There are two effects here. While the internet as a whole makes lots of information available, you have to go looking for it, social media algorithms will deliver what you want to hear with minimal effort. Many people therefore dont hear anything they dont want to. Hence the bewildered disbelief at Brexit/Trumps election. At the time of the election I was working with people who literally believed that trump was Hitler and that we were about to have another holocaust, this time with illegal immigrants. It’s a variation on the “all brexiteers are racist” theme. Add to the algorithm effect the fact you can easily block someone you disagree with and the bubble becomes that much stronger. In a social interaction out here in meatspace, it’s much more difficult to block the one individual in the group that you dont like, so you have to deal with it.

    Now add to that the fact that all the biggest social media platforms lean left, or at least younger/progressive. And I’m not just talking about the staff, I’m talking about the user base and content (dont have any numbers to back this up – anecdotal). This leads to a scenario where the political elites on the left (media and politics) believe that social media represents the whole electorate, so they follow what’s on social media. They dont get the fact that Twitter is only used by 7% of americans, facebook by 41% (dont have numbers for the UK). On top of that there’s a paretto distribution in who actually tweets. Something like 85% of political tweets come from 5% of those who make political tweets. So we’ve come to the bizarre situation where the left in politics are listening only to political activists, but believing that this is the majority of the population. This perfectly explains the democrat fixation on “Orange Man Bad”, or Labour’s collective refusal to believe they got anything wrong despite an historic thrashing. A few of the sharper minds on the left see the problem (Pelosi/Blair – and no I’m not praising either of them but they’re not stupid) but have no idea how to address it. So the left are doing things that are popular with their activists, but are political poison. It’s absolutely political bias driving this. If we had a separate executive in the UK and labour controlled parliament they’d be gearing up to try and impeach Boris. The proof in the pudding is that Trumps numbers are going up while impeachment is happening.

  11. The beauty of Ukrainegate is that it has not only led to the impeachment of Donald L H Trump, but to the exposure of “Hands on” Joe Biden. Both these effects are intended, I conjecture, to help La Clinton get the Dem nomination. I hope Trump gives her a second thumping. God, she’s vile.

  12. I am not a lawyer. But I’d expect impeachment documents would at some point say something like ‘the president committed a high crime or misdeneanor in that on (date) he committed (crime) in contravention of (act, para, line) of the Federal law.

    Or can they just make shit up?

  13. @Steve: “Maybe we’ll find a good use for St Kilda yet”

    No need for such soft treatment, what featherbedding!
    Give them Rockall

  14. Good analysis, jorb. Limbaugh has described this exact situation.

    Made up, Rhoda.

    The two articles are:

    1. Abuse of power. Nebulous charge for Trump asking Ukraine’s help, “Do us a favor.”
    Democrats changed it to “Do me a favor.”

    Signifying the Democrats’ abuse of power. Yes, Dems accusing Trump of acting like a Dem.

    2. Obstruction of Congress. Congress subpoenaed Trump and members of his administration.
    He told them to pound sand. As the Executive has been telling the Legislative for 200+ years.

    Dems are hallucinatory imagining this is nefarious.

    So, all-in-all, we have a nothing burger.

    The Dems have taken the nuclear option of degrading the impeachment process to cheapass political manuevering. That Trump has NOT committed ‘high crimes’ is irrelevant to them. They don’t like him and this was their last chance to do him in.

    The Dems have exhausted their options. Yet we know they won’t give up, so expect something really, really bizarre from them next year. More bizarre than crimeless impeachment.

  15. I think Pelosi will delay passing this to the senate at least until next year’s election so they can hold a “but he’s been impeached” banner over his head.

  16. So that’s 2 democrat presidents to 1 republican- just sayin’.
    So the deplorables will get riled up and give the Donald a second term and if crooked Hilary was to enter the race it would be beautiful.

    Can Pelosi do that – delay passing it up to the senate?

  17. Dennis, Who Is Happily Not A Even-Toed Ungulate

    As for Trump, he hasn’t been able to deliver on any of his campaign promises: the Wall, no more Middle Eastern Wars, massive cuts to immigration.

    I don’t know what you’re smoking Jonathan, I don’t approve of it, and I want some.

    Unemployment is at a 50 year low, Latino and African-American unemployment are at the lowest levels since record keeping began (about 45 years ago), labor participation, real wages and median incomes are all rising. The stock markets are at record highs.The economy is going great guns. 266,000 jobs added last month alone. 266,000 fucking jobs.

    Why?

    Lowering of corporate tax rates. Renegotiation of bad trade deals. Rolling back regulation. Jawboning USA corporations to invest in the USA. That’s all Trump. And he did it all by his fucking self because the Smart Money – you know, assholes like Obama – said that you couldn’t wave a magic wand and bring manufacturing jobs back.

    On immigration, well, have you noticed there aren’t any more caravans headed north? Trump has tied aid and trade to immigration with Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and other South American shitholes. You want to send your riff-raff north? OK, but you get no Yanqui dollars, asshole.

    So, it turns out there is a magic wand – it’s called goal directed hard work by a competent leader – and that’s what The Establishment will never forgive him for… for exposing them as a bunch of useless frauds.

  18. Dennis, Legend of the Parish

    I am not a lawyer. But I’d expect impeachment documents would at some point say something like ‘the president committed a high crime or misdeneanor in that on (date) he committed (crime) in contravention of (act, para, line) of the Federal law.

    Or can they just make shit up?

    Impeachment is a purely political process, which is exactly what the framers of the Constitution intended. Nowhere in the document are high crimes or misdemeanors defined. Nor is the process of impeachment codified. The framers, no doubt thinking about the consequences of having a president of the likes of George III, seemed intent on giving Congress as much latitude as possible.

  19. Dennis, Tiresome Denizen of Central Ohio

    While I agree with jorb, I will add that this condition was a preexisting one. Social media aggravated it; it did not create it.

    See Vision of the Annointed by Thomas Sowell. He provides a cogent explanation for the behavior you are now seeing in the Trump era.

  20. Dennis, Septic to the Masses

    What puzzles me, is how come the Dems have become seized by a death wish. Why would supposedly intelligent politicians undertake this kamikaze tactic ? Skeletons galore are falling out of the cupboard and they are coming across as deranged. Surely not a good look in an election year.

    For one thing, many of the Democrats in the House aren’t getting the sort of feedback necessary. If you’re Nancy Pelosi, your district will never go Republican. The only threat you face in your political career is a primary from the left. Think AOC. So do you give a shit what a coal miner in Kentucky thinks when you are representing computer scientists in California? No. So if the computer scientists want impeachment, you give them impeachment. At the micro level you’re doing the smart thing… The macro level? Well, you’ll figure that out later. Impeachment is being driven by those House Democrats that simply have no fear of being turned out by a Republican in the next election cycle. There are no actual consequences for them doing something wildly unpopular at a national level.

    The other element in this was explained by Sowell in Vision of the Anointed. When you are Anointed, then processing feedback is irrelevant. What you are doing is too important to be sidetracked by considering feedback that suggests you are either (a) wrong, or (b) facing substantial resistance. Want an example? Look at how completely shocked Labour is right now. The signs of a decisive defeat were all there, yet they discounted and disregarded all evidence available (and it was a lot) that waffling on Brexit, staying soft on immigration and promising massive spending and re-nationalization wasn’t appealing to voters.

  21. As the US is fairly evenly divided politically it means that Washington is likely to be pretty stalemated for some years to come. And it would seem that stalemates are noisy. I can imagine that going forward we will find that impeachment of presidents becomes a somewhat regular event. Especially when it will most certainly be ineffective.

    Trump has already nominated and had confirmed two Supreme Court justices and he is filling up the lower level open judgeships fast. If we wins he will most certainly appoint another Supreme Court justice and possibly two and appoint even more federal judges. There is quite an irony in that while Obama was touted as being a “transformative” president, his legacy will prove to be Trump, who truly just might be transformative. (and I’ll note that I did not vote for Trump but rather threw my vote away on the Libertarian candidate whose name I can’t remember).

  22. Dennis, A Vast Reservior of Toxic Masculinity

    Trump has already nominated and had confirmed two Supreme Court justices and he is filling up the lower level open judgeships fast. If we wins he will most certainly appoint another Supreme Court justice and possibly two and appoint even more federal judges. There is quite an irony in that while Obama was touted as being a “transformative” president, his legacy will prove to be Trump, who truly just might be transformative.

    +1, with reservations. The issue isn’t whether he will be transformative… it’s how transformative.

  23. Announced they will delay sending articles of impeachment so there won’t be a trial yet.
    Brexit shenanigans didn’t go down well with the public so I’d assume these sort of political games are just going to hurt them more than Trump.

  24. Dennis, Who Is Happily Not An Even-Toed Ungulate

    Given that polling over the last month has consistently shown Republicans overwhelmingly backing Trump and impeachment support eroding among swing voters, it’s kind of hard to tell what Pelosi and Schumer think dragging this out is going to accomplish. It is even more baffling because neither of them could have ever expected conviction in the Senate.

  25. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Donald Trump is the best US President in my lifetime, which so far has seen eight previous incumbents. And yes, I do count Ronald Reagan in that. He was good, but not this good.

    This shit is moving us closer to the point where it will become necessary, rather than merely fun, to start giving Leftists free helicopter rides.

  26. Bloke in North Dorset

    Announced they will delay sending articles of impeachment so there won’t be a trial yet.

    As I said above, this is deflecting attention so expect the articles to be served when next Russiagate looks like it might get an airing, and I’m picking all this up from the anti-Trump serious left, not the progressives. This is a long read and as the author says on the podcast below, they botched it this time, they’ll be better next time and by then it could by your favourite candidate.:

    Can We Impeach The FBI Now?
    Read the Horowitz Report. It proves the bureau unleashed an abusive, full-spectrum spying campaign to destroy Trump before and after his election.

    The Horowitz Report is being played by the media for its conclusion: that the FBI’s intel op run against the Trump campaign was not politically motivated and thus “legal.” That covers one page of the 476-page document, but because it fits with the Democratic/mainstream media narrative that Trump is a liar, the rest has been ignored. “The rest,” of course, is a detailed description of America’s domestic intelligence apparatus, aided by its overseas intelligence apparatus, and assisted by its Five Eyes allies’ intelligence apparatuses. And the conclusion is that they unleashed a full-spectrum spying campaign against a presidential candidate in order to influence an election, and when that failed, they tried to delegitimize a president.

    As I said a very long read but you can hear the author, Peter van Buren, discuss it here on the Scot Horton show.

  27. Yes, BiCR, the Democrats (sic) have spent the last 3 years trying to overturn the election of 2016. Impeachment was the nuclear option. The thermonuclear option is bound to follow: their only recourse is to ban elections.

    “Democracy has failed. We must destroy democracy in order to save it.”

  28. Dennis: Oppressor, Warmonger, Capitalist and Consumer of Petroleum Products

    Today a pro-Trump political action committee announced a $2.5 million ad buy targeting 9 House Democrats from districts Trump won who voted for impeachment.

    In other news, Trump’s re-election campaign raised $4 million yesterday(!).

    It’s as if Newmania and Richard Murphy have been given charge of the Democratic Party.

  29. @TW

    Title: “all” not “exactly” – where’s the sub?

    I’m Trumpist here and everywhere

    A good article It’s a Merry Impeachmas alright – but for President Trump not the deluded Democrats

    Two of many on Fox News YT Channel – shows what Al-Beeb & Ali-Cfour omit

    Hannity: Deep state has been plotting against Trump since 2016
    (@TW – Washington Examiner mentioned)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi_vuuG5tlI

    President Trump speaks for the first time after being impeached
    youtube.com/watch?v=5S6rOxlFrbY

    First we had Brexit Derangement Syndrome, then Trump Derangement Syndrome added, now Boris Derangement Syndrome added to make hat-trick of Leftist insanity – in all cases voters were wrong, stupid, racist….

    @Wonko the sane December 19, 2019 at 11:02 am

    Spot on

    @The Pedant-General December 19, 2019 at 11:29 am

    I do hope so. Starting with Clintons, Comey and Lynch

    @’Steve December 19, 2019 at 12:06 pm

    That they were openly scheming to impeach BLUMPH before he even took office won’t move their coalition much.

    Yep, see Hannity

  30. As for Trump, he hasn’t been able to deliver on any of his campaign promises: the Wall, no more Middle Eastern Wars, massive cuts to immigration. Whether it’s because he’s unable to because of The Swamp, or he’s unwilling to because he’s just become another tool of the donors, who knows?

    I think you may be confusing what is happening with what is reported as happening.

    The Wall is being built, albeit slowly. That lack of speed is due to the lack of funding, which Trump is hardly to blame for. It would be built quickly if he got his way.

    What new Middle Eastern war has Trump started?

    Trump isn’t opposed to immigration as such. Just illegal immigration. Which is falling. (Actually, it has been for a while — St Obama was quite tough on immigration, because until recently it was Democratic policy to be so, and they used to give Republicans grief about it.)

    https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

  31. @Dennis December 19, 2019 at 3:30 pm

    Agree, Trump started MAGA with magic wand words, not actions. Then he began delivery

    Informative (esp caravans) and accurate. Thank you

    In contrast UK had “we’re doomed” May, Hammond and Carney where firms had to battle against Mrs Doom’s Gov’t to succeed

    Boris isn’t super, but he is positive like Maggie was

    @December 19, 2019 at 4:04 pm

    USA needs a Brexit Party to split vote in Dem heartlands. I’m sure Nigel Farage and maybe Steve Hilton would help.

    @BiCR

    imo too early to judge Trump vs Regan. Ronald “Star Wars” Regan & Maggie T ended the cold war & USSR

    @BiND

    Thanks

  32. Cocaine Mitch have confirmed 26 Federal district judges this month alone. Thanks to the previous Democrats Senate majority leader Harry Reed nuking the filabuster rule (they thought they will never loose the Senate) McConnell have been confirming judges at an unprecedented pace.

  33. “Donald Trump is the best US President in my lifetime”

    Thanks for the suggestion. I ♥ Ronald Reagan, but, yes, Trump is better in some ways. Certainly, quantitatively, he excels.

    And I’ll never get over Reagan’s approval of the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986, which banned citizens from buying newly manufactured automatic weapons. Thanks a bunch, Ronnie.

  34. Gamecock,

    Biased from age and period, but I got a good mark on a MA dissertation by describing how Ronald Reagan – as front man for some very smart people he chose and provided top cover for – broke the USSR and ended the Cold War, by very precisely targeting their vulnerabilities in a way that showed them “the US could destroy you… and chooses not to, and you can’t afford to fix that.” Which has knocked the Russians onto the back foot in a way they’re still trying to pretend they don’t care about. Compared to that, “not being able to easily buy machine guns” is not the strongest of beers.

    He didn’t do it all – Carter in particular was vilified at the time as an idealist for cutting some military sacred cows, but he redirected that money to invest heavily in some of the capabilities Reagan put to use and beginning to reverse the “hollow force” of the 1960s – but Reagan fronted up the Administration that won the Cold War after a half-century of “two minutes to midnight”. Trump is nowhere near that sort of success, his reslilient domestic popularity notwithstanding. I’m not a Trump fan but he’s managing to not lose… if only because his opponents don’t seem able to get past braying “orange man bad!” and “Donald Trump is, like, literally, worse than Hitler!” apocalyptica.

    But then perspectives differ – I think that Bush Sr. was an excellent President from outside (with hindsight, particularly because he recognised, and refused to embrace, the tar baby of regime change in Iraq) but his domestic policy (“read my lips, no new taxes… except for these new taxes…”) cost him a second term and brought the US eight years of Slick Willy “I did not have sex with that woman” Clinton.

  35. Got to say that Trump is standing on the shoulders of giants as far as not having a significant enemy to fight at the moment. China is a genuine concern though and the US should be concentrating on the reality of that threat rather than internal bickering and fighting non-existent or irrelevant hob-goblins like Warble Gloaming.

    At some point China will start switching from coal-based power production to nuclear (probably localised, mass-production liquid fluoride thorium reactors (LFTR), it will do so more because of localised pollution and energy security than because of Warble Gloaming, but until China (and India) get their shit together, nothing the West does will make any substantial difference, even if “Man made climate change” was in any way real or significant.

  36. @Jason Lynch

    [Regan] broke the USSR and ended the Cold War, by very precisely targeting their vulnerabilities in a way that showed them “the US could destroy you… and chooses not to, and you can’t afford to fix that.

    +1

    Hence my earlier Ronald “Star Wars” Regan & Maggie T ended the cold war & USSR comment

    Trump needs to neutralise NK & China; his defence budget increases are a good move on that

    @John Galt

    +1

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