Polling..

I’ve seen a huge number of polls the last few weeks but luckily the only one that matters is the one on 12th December that Tim and I put together…

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G0yXTla4CeODihcyvV1VLL_DPlSxckd-MCZBmZNjKB4/edit?ts=5dbaa6d7#gid=2020163583

Not entirely sure what you win if you guess correctly. We’ll think of something.

151 thoughts on “Polling..”

  1. Bloke in North Dorset

    Interestingly we’ve gone for a Tory average of 338.7 and the SportingIndex spread is 338 to 344.

    We’re out on the rest:

    Lab 198.3 ( 219, 225)
    LibDems 36 (19, 23) – Nobody saw that collapse and if I was betting I’d sell.
    SNP 37.2 (42, 44)
    TBP 16 (0.25, 1.75) If it was worth a bet, sell.

    Today we find out if the “shy Tory” vote is bigger or smaller than the “I’m not really an antisemite but I desperately want to stop Brexit vote”.

    If I was betting I’d buy the Tories based on the LSE’s Citizn forecasting model which has been quite accurate and shows Tories on 360. (Google LSE Blogs Citizen Forecasting)

  2. YouGov’s MRP poll tends to be quite accurate. I think Richard Tice will scrape in and be, sadly, the Brexit Party’s only MP.

  3. YouGov’s MRP poll tends to be quite accurate.

    But we don`t care about that do we. It has been constructed by experts and as such it is inferior to what the average pub bore” reckons” knowing fuck all about it. We seem to be running the country that way I say go with it. I no longer want( your ) operations conducted by experts ;lets get that tit with the England flag in his window to gouge out the artery with a rusty spoon – I mean its common sense isn `t it, how hard can it be?

    Coming soon
    Planet of the wankers – an ordinary man wakes up to find himself in a world in which the less you know about anything the more your opinion is respected
    .Carry on wanker – Sid James plays a hapless Treasury official trying to explain to Brexit will mean we are all poorer to a bigoted cretin played by Bernard Breslau
    Gold Wanker – Roger Moore plays a fantasist Bond pretending that series of unrelated problems are all the fault of an evil organisation called ” FOREIGNER ”

    It beats reality

  4. @Newmania – December 12, 2019 at 10:34 am

    Planet of the wankers – an ordinary man wakes up to find himself in a world in which the less you know about anything the more your opinion is respected

    Ah… Your home planet. All becomes clearer.

  5. “lets get that tit with the England flag in his window”

    Newmania, you hate this country so much you make no attempt to leave.

    That might be because for all your imagined faults with it, the UK is a good place to live even if you’re a whiny twat.

  6. Newmania,

    “YouGov’s MRP poll tends to be quite accurate.”

    Well, got it right last time. Maybe it’s right, but just because you got the right answer once doesn’t mean your methodology is sound. They might have gotten lucky. It does seem like a good, large poll, though.

    My two concerns in all polling are a) stated vs expressed preference and b) turnout. You really don’t know. If people really hate the other party, think they’re going to be a total and utter disaster, they’ll turnout. You don’t get that from a Tory vs Labour poll.

  7. Although I’m still firmly convinced Newmonia’s a remarkably proficient troll – in the technically correct use of the word – it’s worth examining his proposition. The past few decades have seen the university “ëducated” dominate the worlds of politics, the civil service, journalism & much of finance & business. Are we a better country for it? Does everything being run by the “ëxperts” produce the optimum outcome?

  8. BiS, the correct metric is really the decline in Christianity / Protestantism.

    The Oxbridge educated ‘experts’ that seem to have an inordinate influence on British politics and Law seem to be an inordinately atheistic and amoral bunch.

    The threat of burning in hell for your worldy misdeeds was at least a curb on some of the excesses of capitalism.

    Some of the robber barons even felt a compulsion to do some good for their fellow man.

    The likes of Andrew Carnegie ended up giving away a considerable percentage his fortune in order to benefit his fellow citizens. He inspired many others to do the same.

    How many of our current leaders feel the need to look out for the interests and well being of the British population?

    You only have to see the events in Rotherham to know that we count for little in the grand scheme of things.

  9. Does everything being run by the “ëxperts” produce the optimum outcome?

    In that there is a distinctive philosophy of conservation in can be traced to the frustration expressed by Classical Greeks satirists and philosophers with democracy. Athenian democracy was a rolling plebiscite of ( male) citizens and in this baying cauldron a skilled rhetorician might easily whip up the crowd to the cause of some war or other. The quiet opinions of those who had actual fighting experience being ignored.
    I don`t say that this supports my argument here necessarily , who is the expert in this story ?

    By the way I was impressed by Diogenes who described the EU as place you enter, abandoning hope. Did he intend a nod to Dantes Inferno or has the thought so sunk into the general vocabulary that no knowledge of its source is required ? Enjoyed it either way , as we sink into the landfill of Brexit ignorance any scrap will do

  10. In what way does a university education in PPE or women’s studies qualify one as an expert?

    Because you believe you are an expert, and are surrounded by near-identical copies of yourself who believe the same. Whether you are ‘actually’ an expert is no longer relevant.

    A better word probably is an ‘authority’ on something. It used to mean ‘expert’, but the ambiguity of the word ‘authority’ can now mean that anyone backed by a mob can intimidate you into believing they are right, and being ‘right’ is all that matters, even if in reality you are catastrophically wrong. Winning is everything.

  11. “I don`t say that this supports my argument here necessarily , who is the expert in this story ?”

    Like the character you troll as Newmonia, the self appointed ones, of course.

  12. m’Lud, Jezza supporters feel no need to be shy.

    I liked your reference to the “tip of the I” the other day. I’m assuming you were inspired by someone who shimmered in with the nutritious eggs and B.

  13. The most recent relevant evidence we have of the usefulness of “expert” opinion is of the various authoritative forecasts made before the referendum of what would be the legion negative consequences of a vote for Brexit (note not actual Brexit). Given how spectacularly wrong these forecasts were, I think we’re entitled on actual evidence to expect the opposite to occur.

  14. I’m generally happy to place my trust in experts but not so much in ‘experts’.

    Nor do I think the expertise of, say, a distinguished biologist is applicable to questions of democracy, freedom and sovereignty.

    What the Remoaner sheep class loves is not expertise but credentialism, which links with their love of identity politics.

  15. Bloke in Spain – The past few decades have seen the university “ëducated” dominate the worlds of politics, the civil service, journalism & much of finance & business. Are we a better country for it? Does everything being run by the “ëxperts” produce the optimum outcome?

    Yarp x 1000

    Michael Gove was right when he said people are sick of “experts”.

    If he had more time to explain and our politics wasn’t mostly based on knee-jerk reactions to soundbites, he might’ve elaborated that people still generally respect genuine expertise, it’s the highly credentialed-yet-useless counterfeit “experts” they’ve come to despise.

    I feel sure this is related to the debasement of our universities. Going to yooni used to be a reasonable proxy for intelligence and academic rigour, but that’s long gone the way of Norman Wisdom films and skiffle.

    In its place we have a degenerate institutional class afflicted by a scorching case of Dunning-Kruger.

    Wells was onto something when he dreamt up the Morlocks and Eloi, though his sympathies with the useless eaters of the Eloi caste betrayed his Fabian roots. In truth, the Morlocks did nothing wrong.

    Mangeons du Jésuite, said Voltaire. I don’t fancy going full Diane Abbott’s son on environmental “scientists”, heads of council “social work” departments and whoever thought up HS2, but it’s no worse an idea than anything they’ve proposed.

  16. Nor do I think the expertise of, say, a distinguished biologist is applicable to questions of democracy, freedom and sovereignty.

    How about the expertise of the treasury the OBR the IFS the IMF the OECD the City of London every Economist who is not that twat for hire they dug up in Wales( Minford ?) and the CBI
    Any of that any good to you ?
    You talk about sovereignty , well ok there is a feeble eccentric argument but if the case had been l, “would you rather have an operation or some”sovereignty ” “as you very well know the British people would have told you to take your magic beans and stuff them up your arse.

  17. The most recent relevant evidence we have of the usefulness of “expert” opinion is of the various authoritative forecasts made before the referendum of what would be the legion negative consequences of a vote for Brexit (note not actual Brexit).

    What load of bollocks , that distinction was made only one in a thousand times – In any case unnoticed by you ,(presumably ) instead of the country reaching Osbrorne`s projected and voluntarily Maastricht compliant projection (65%)we are now well over 80% of GDP in debt and about to spend a load more covering up the recessionary effect of Brexit …
    Thats about £2000 bn of additional borrowing and ( also unnoticed by you) Mark Carney was forced to abandon normalising interest rates attacking savings investment and ( more amusingly ) old people
    Of course Mark Carney is also an “expert” to be ignored .The British government begged him to stay on due to his credibility by the way.

    When are you going to admit you are just wrong

  18. How about the expertise of the treasury the OBR the IFS the IMF the OECD the City of London every Economist who is not that twat for hire they dug up in Wales( Minford ?) and the CBI
    Any of that any good to you ?

    Nope.

    Btw, that “twat for hire” was one of the few economists to get it right when 364 “experts” in the field wrote an open letter claiming Margaret Thatcher’s reforms wouldn’t work and she’d bloody well better become Ted Heath 2.0, or else.

    According to the Torygraph: The 364 included Third-Way guru Anthony Giddens; the current Governor of the Bank of England; Monetary Policy Committee member Stephen Nickell; and former and future Nobel Prize winners.

    How embarrassing.

  19. @ Newmaniac

    The worst of the economic forecasts were that the UK economy would not grow quite as much as it might otherwise have done. Not that it was have negative growth, just maybe not as much as it might have. This is what our politicians spun as being terrible for their constituents and therefore we should ignore the result of the 2016 referendum.

    A bit like the definition of austerity being a less generous increase in funds as opposed to a reduction in funding.

    In both cases, it didn’t matter what the experts said – it was presented in a way that concealed the truth.

  20. I am not ,Steve relying soley on the academic establishment of the 1970s( who were wildly left wing at that time ) . Margaret Thatcher, who campaigned for entry into the Europe was seeking to control Debt and increase taxes prioritising controlling debt over employment and political convenience
    That is exactly the opposite to the irresponsible Polices being pursued by Cunty Bunter who has made sure that every Conservative who still believes in those virtues has no place in the Party.
    You have no idea what you are talking about do you you fucking child

  21. Yes, presenting arguments then backing it up with evidence is so passé.

    In the world of science, there is a bit of a crisis going on as they discover that a lot of peer reviewed so called science is actually junk and not reproduceable.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

    Then you look outside the hard sciences and examine the record of economics or psychology for example, which are far far worse.

  22. I am not ,Steve relying soley on the academic establishment of the 1970s( who were wildly left wing at that time )

    True, you’re relying solely on the academic/institutional establishment of the early 21st century, which is ideologically committed to globalism, riddled with bad incentives, and has already very publicly caught its cock in the zip over their Brexit referendum doomcasts.

    Might as well ask Aztec priests if you believe the self-serving mystical edicts of these people.

    You have no idea what you are talking about do you you fucking child

    Calm down, lol

  23. How about the expertise of the treasury the OBR the IFS the IMF the OECD the City of London every Economist who is not that twat for hire they dug up in Wales( Minford ?) and the CBI
    Any of that any good to you ?

    Treasury forecasts are notoriously shit. Any economic ‘forecast’ is finger in the air guessing.

    Those ‘sources’ you quoted predicted Doomsday if we voted Brexit, they were completely wrong, again.

    When ‘experts’ get it embarrassingly wrong, time after time, it is wise to doubt their ability to predict anything. Only fanatics think otherwise.

  24. When ‘experts’ get it embarrassingly wrong, time after time, it is wise to doubt their ability to predict anything. Only fanatics think otherwise.

    You misunderstand what experts do they are not reading tea leaves .They look at data, what they have previously portended, establish models and work out objective answers. It was exactly what Mark Carney said about his decision to maintain stimulative rates – he said , the signals we are seeing now have in the past been a precursor to recession and we are acting on that basis . That was the needless Brexit recession
    He was immediately attacked by the loons as dissing Brexit( FFS and you are supposed to keep your temper )- Now of course they want lower rates
    Where the business of forecasting is vulnerable is in times of paradigm shift which is why you should always assume the worst (2008 … for example )
    Experts can indeed be wrong , the treasury , for example may wildy underestimate the drag on growth caused by Brexit , it is certainly under huge pressure to do just that and my personal opinion is that it has.

  25. “How about the expertise of the treasury the OBR the IFS the IMF the OECD the City of London every Economist who is not that twat for hire they dug up in Wales( Minford ?)”

    You mean Patrick Minford, who countered the infamous 364 economists letter of 1981, and was proved right and they were all wrong? Vs today all the economists and Treasury pointy heads who wrote what their political masters wanted them to write, predicting economic catastrophe as a result of a mere Brexit vote, and were proved utterly wrong, again? If you’re so in favour of experts, how about finding some who can make accurate predictions, rather than just ones you agree with?

  26. True, you’re relying solely on the academic/institutional establishment of the early 21st century, which is ideologically committed to globalism, riddled with bad incentives, and has already very publicly caught its cock in the zip over their Brexit referendum doomcasts.

    No…and Oh the conspiracy ….. no honestly I was only at their sub volcano lair the other day and Dr Evil specifically assured me that his many tentacled control over anyone who knows anything about anything was over estimated .
    Soz about the globalism thing buy the way … my head got turned by the endless increases in the standard of living around the world the end of Malaria the freeing of women from incessant child birth and drudgery education health peace security and what not
    What was I thinking !!!?

  27. Where the business of forecasting is vulnerable is in times of paradigm shift which is why you should always assume the worst (2008 … for example )

    The paradigm shift where banks were, ahem, advised to extend mortgages (some up to 120% of the property value) to people who had no hope/intention of paying them back, parcelling up said loans into derivative instruments and then being suddenly surprised that it goes all tits up and the whole bang shoot is worthless. That paradigm shift?

    Or the paradigm shift where the one-eyed Scottish git removed regulation of the banking industry from the BoE to his mates in an organisation that couldn’t run their own bath water. That paradigm shift?

    If you were any more stupid, you’d need watering twice a week.

  28. peace security and what not

    Imagine looking at what’s going on in London, Rotherham, Manchester, Nice, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Sweden, China, our forever wars in the ME and North Africa, etc. etc. and believing we have peace and security.

    We have neither, the post-Cold War social order is breaking down and no amount of sacrifice to the golden calf of diversity or fapping over GDP stats is going to fix it.

    The international order is decaying too, there are more potential flashpoints out there (especially since we’re now committed to nuclear war to defend our valuable allies in… Montenegro? Wow, thanks, “experts!”) than at any time since 1989.

    Only takes one itchy trigger
    One more widow
    One less white ni-

    Did you know “gullible” doesn’t actually appear in the dictionary?

  29. Why does anyone both responding to Newmania? He’s plainly an utter dickhead, and he’ll have hanged himself by this time tomorrow anyway.

    (I don’t and will never have a google account so I can’t post my guess. It’s a Tory majority of 18, though I hope I’m well out in Boris’s favour.)

  30. Steve

    I remain convinced that if we raised the number of Genders up to 7 billion, and do the same with the number of personal pronouns we’ll all be sorted despite your predictions of doom. Chuck in a ban on plastic straws and Bob’s your uncle.

    And of course, if you disagree with this I’ll have to get the ‘long arm of the law’ involved and have you arrested for ‘hate crime’

  31. On globalism: It may not be a zero sum game but there are winners & losers. It may have brought enormous benefits in the developing world, but that doesn’t imply the same benefits to mature developed economies. The world as a whole getting richer doesn’t mean there aren’t people get individually poorer.
    And we don’t elect politicians to make the world a better place. Or hopefully we don’t. We elect politicians to make our lives better. Not just a privileged class of us but all of us. It is supposed to be democracy we’re living in. It’s constituency stops where the tide comes in.

  32. Thankfully Mark “Muffin the Mule” Carney is finally going to bugger off in January. Even better is that he’ll have some vague and useless role to do with climate change. Things are looking up apart from the EU toilet of doom

  33. Experts: The problem with relying on the opinion of “experts: is experts are rarely disinterested parties. The mechanic in your local garage may be an expert on the functioning of cars. A simple tightening of a nut with a spanner may keep your car on the road for the next 10,000 miles. But it’s in his interest to replace a major component. The sign on the garage may say “Cars Repaired”. But that’s not the business he’s in. He’s in the business of paying his mortgage & putting food on the table at home. Repairing cars is the annoying thing he to do to ensure this happens. Likewise, Mark Carney is not in the business of making accurate economic predictions. He’s in a business called “Mark Carney influential & successful banker”. The predictions he makes will be in furtherence of those interests.

  34. Quite correct BIS, and in any case no one who matters to Carney cares about the accuracy of his forward guidance. The victims of his complete incompetence have no say in what happens to the charlatan

  35. Steve,

    “Michael Gove was right when he said people are sick of “experts”.

    If he had more time to explain and our politics wasn’t mostly based on knee-jerk reactions to soundbites, he might’ve elaborated that people still generally respect genuine expertise, it’s the highly credentialed-yet-useless counterfeit “experts” they’ve come to despise.”

    I seem to recall he was interrupted or something, but the full quote of what he tried to say what something like that people are sick of experts with credentials who have been shown to be useless.

  36. You misunderstand what experts do they are not reading tea leaves .They look at data, what they have previously portended, establish models and work out the objective answers their paymasters demand

    Fixed for you.
    No, its ok, you don’t have to thank me.

  37. Dennis, Crusher of Fools

    No…and Oh the conspiracy ….. no honestly I was only at their sub volcano lair the other day and Dr Evil specifically assured me that his many tentacled control over anyone who knows anything about anything was over estimated.

    Well, Newmania, the cunts like you on this side of the pond mocked the idea that the FBI and Justice Department would falsify documents to obtain FISA warrants to spy on a presidential candidate’s campaign. Now we know it was far worse than first suspected and the cunts like you on this side of the pond don’t seem to have much of an explanation in justification…

  38. @MC
    “Newmongia getting tetchy. It’s cheering…”

    I feel like that about Brexit. I didn’t vote in the referendum, the last GE or this one. I suppose I’m entitled but don’t feel it’s any of my business. I don’t live in the UK, have no intention of even visiting it, so don’t see why I should have a say in something I won’t feel the consequences. However I’m delighted & hope Brexit pulls down the whole house of cards of the EU. I love change & the wealth of opportunities such an occurrence would bring is positively mouthwatering.
    Same with Newmonia. Let’s hope the collapse of the European insurance market for City based institutions is utter & complete.. It will affect hardly anyone but may produce for a few, a chance to make a few quid scavenging over the wreck. And it’ll put people like Newmonia on the street, unemployed & unemployable.

  39. Bloke In Spain: “Although I’m still firmly convinced Newmonia’s a remarkably proficient troll …”

    Considering how many responses Newmania’s comments generate on Mr. Worstall’s site, can we rule out the possibility that Newmania is in fact Tim himself taking a rise out of everyone? We need an expert opinion on that hypothesis. 🙂

  40. The full Gove quote (hard to hear because of Faisal Islam (typically) trampling all over it):

    The people of this country have had enough of experts from organizations with acronyms saying they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong.

  41. I’m not convinced our Manic interlocutor is a true troll – he’s just too persistent, but that may be the OCD.

    As for the election, I’m not in the sweepstake but I think Con majority 20 min but it might be quite a bit more. I think Tice will probably be the only TBP MP.

  42. Boris is a 19th century Prime Minister. Not a 21st century leadership man.

    He described black people as having watermelon smiles.

    He describes the working class as feckless and criminal.

    He also makes controversial comments about Jewish people, according to this Labour Jeremy Corbyn you tube video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ed9oTJFKk

    Watch the above video about this bigot Prime Minister.
    Boris is a right wing bigot.

  43. Who the fuck is this Tony McRush cunt?

    So Boris tells a few risque jokes; the Momentum cunts have signed up for Israeli genocide.

    Get fucked wanker.

  44. Maybe its about time we had one of those.

    Tony Blair hated Britain and made 100s of millions selling us out.

    Jeremy Corbyn hates British people, especially Jews.

    Theresa May clearly hated everyone massively.

    Someone who doesn’t like the Non-British and maybe likes the British seems like a positive trend for a British PM.

  45. @Rob Moss December 12, 2019 at 9:12 am

    I think Richard Tice will scrape in and be, sadly, the Brexit Party’s only MP.

    Hope Tice and more win. C4 News did a hit piece on Tice – one Hartlepool TBP Councillor said some non-PC things, thus is a racist.

  46. Dennis, Ranking Roger’s Replacement

    Newmania a troll? Nah. More like Richard Murphy’s intellectually challenged nephew.

    Either way, one thing is certain: He didn’t make the varsity typing team.

  47. Flubber, jolly good. Carry on.

    Be nice if we saw similar sentiments extended towards non-Jewish chaps. But still.

  48. What makes me think he’s a troll is he’s too much the stereotype Remainer. And he’s very adept at pushing the buttons gets people in the commentariat here excited. And what’s the aim of a troll? To get people off the topic of a thread & onto a topic of his choice. Which he did with his first comment. He also provokes some interesting discussions when you can get past Ecks’s frothing.
    Oh & he’s nothing like the British Dude. Although he’s claiming an almost identical real-world profile. Absent the lycra fetish. The Dude’s very much the genuine article. Room temperature intellect & skin the thickness of wet blue Rizlas.

  49. More lies re: Boris quotes from Tony mcRush (who he?). The watermelon smile thing was him trolling the condescending attitude of Guardianistas towards poor Africans- the sort of thing exemplified by George Moonblot’s “fields crackling with laughter” comment.

    But I expect Tony knew that.

  50. Tony McRush? What are you fuckwit a Scouser version of Max Headroom?

    Good to see that Facepainter is absolutely pissing his pants.

  51. Should be quite good for the stock market tomorrow, I will binge drink beer tomorrow like there’s no Saturday. What a relief!

  52. Interesting to see what happens in Washington near Gateshead. Talked in a Spring to a life-long Labour voter who does maintenance to leccy transformers, he said they were going to kick their MP out come next elections.

  53. @Sam

    +1 :
    Richard Murphy‏ @RichardJMurphy 43m43 minutes ago
    “Let’s not beat about the bush: fascism will now become a reality in the UK, because that’s what this Tory part is”

    That would be Anti anti-Semite fascism?

  54. Mark Steel, BBC funnyman
    @mrmarksteel

    Let me be gracious. All the people celebrating now are the most entitled, embittered, sneering nasty selfish racist foul fuckwits. I’d still rather be with the decent people, however gutted they are, than be you for a second.

  55. I was shitting bricks earlier on. Still won’t believe it until it’s well and truly in the bag. Murphy is losing his rag on Twatter and it’s joyous, although my glee is tempered somewhat by the fact I cannot mock the fat cunt in person, to his face.

  56. Yes, spud has gone full on spazcrash on Twitter.

    Apparently the UK is now a fascist country

    These people just have no dignity, no sense of anything other than their own hysterical narcissism.

    Anyway, recounts all over the North, by the looks of it. Has the working class woken up to the fact that Labour is the party of middle-class, internationalist London wankers like Mark Steele.

  57. Low turnouts up north, 63-65%.

    Labour pay the price for Remain in Blythe. I expect the Twitterati will despise the English working class even more now. What they won’t do, of course, is reflect upon themselves.

  58. It is a disaster the Tories did so well.
    The people have voted for bigotry, poverty, injustice and inequality.
    I suppose that rich elitists will be delighted with the result.
    How can a working class person vote for a leader in Boris, who has written of his contempt for the working class?
    How can they reject a party that brought in the mini wage, for a party that wants to cut taxes for the rich, and increase them on the working class?
    I think we will end up like the USA where the white working class are conned on identity politics to vote for the right wing party against their own needs.
    No doubt some creepy trolls will insult me for saying this.

  59. @John Galt

    How worried are you by the SNP gains?

    Not sure what the appetite for indy is doing up there, but the last referendum result was tighter than I’d initially expected it to be and I don’t know how hard it would be to get a couple of percent of wavering voters to cross the line…

  60. Dennis the Merciful

    No doubt some creepy trolls will insult me for saying this.

    I don’t think so, Richard, you’re having a rough enough time of it as it is.

  61. “Let’s hope Wee Jimmy Krankie gets her wish and the Porridge Wogs finally are removed from the English money test.”

    Not a chance. We’ll be out of the EU, so if they want to be back in they’d have to take on the euro and have a (tah dah!) Hard Border with England, which would remove Scotland from its ‘single market’. With oil at half the price it was at the time of the last referendum there is absolutely no way an independent Scotland will vote to Leave the UK, they’d be voting for national penury. If Boris has any sense he’ll give wee Jimmy her vote asap, watch them vote 60-40 to Remain, and put the whole thing to bed indefinitely.

  62. Michael Sedgley: I suppose that rich elitists will be delighted with the result.

    Obviously I can’t speak for other rich elitists, but ‘delight’ doesn’t really do justice to the extent of my pleasure.

    How can a working class person vote for a leader in Boris, who has written of his contempt for the working class?

    It’s a puzzle, isn’t it? I mean, when they could have voted for a jew-hating marxist.

    How can they reject a party that brought in the mini wage…

    Have you forgotten the NHS?

    …for a party that wants to cut taxes for the rich, and increase them on the working class?

    NEXT!

    the white working class are conned on identity politics

    (unless jewish)

    … to vote for the right wing party against their own needs.

    Which you know better than they do themselves.

    No doubt some creepy trolls will insult me for saying this.

    Leaving aside the “creepy” for a minute, why would anyone bother to insult you when you do the job so well by yourself?

  63. How worried are you by the SNP gains?

    It’s possible, but only because of the votes being split, collapse of Labour rather than any success by the SNP. Here in the marginal seat of Perth, I was hoping Tory momentum would oust the SNP’s Pete Wishart, but given the exit poll, that looks unlikely.

    I hope John Curtice is right and the SNP landslide is dubious.

  64. Dennis, Mocker of the Foolish

    Nothing says the world is coming to an end like snapping a photo of your dog outside a polling station.

    What a twat.

  65. Via the Speccie, I found Kapitän Kartoffel’s twitter and was taken with this one particularly

    You only need Mark Francois on television to realise just why you loathe the Tories so much

    You’d have thought that a shortish fat bloke with no neck would cut some slack to another cast from the same pattern. It seems there is no bond between those whose trouser belt is worn like the ribbon around an easter egg.

  66. That poor dog has to listen to Murphy talk to himself every evening. No wonder he looks somewhat dazed.

  67. Mr in Spain, I’ve had a snootful tonight, so bear with me. But who, or what, is ‘British Dude’?.

    BTW, I spoiled my ballot paper. #virtuesignalling.

    Has Grieve been defenestrated?

    Has Hugh Grant?

    BTW, isn’t he marvellous? The snootier and more condescending he soun….

    … But you know how that sentence ends…

  68. Sunderland West – Labour Hold

    If Cons had withdrawn, TBP probably would have won

    Opinion is Cons refused to stand down as CCHQ is so anti-Brexit they preferred a Labour MP to a TBP MP

  69. For fuck’s sake, someone on twitter tell all those drama queens whining about how we now live in a fascist oligarchy…

    We’ve just voted in a centre left government, just like the last three centre left governments.

    Oh how I wish we’d actually voted for a real conservative, (right wing) government.

    Oh how I wish that had actually been a fucking choice on the fucking ballot paper.

  70. Maybe….

    BBC News: Kusenburg furious scowling face and it’s not the wasps she’s chewing. It’s Brexit Ref Ep 2

    Maybe we don’t need BBC and state funded TV?

    @Nancy, Adam and Jerry

    You watched previous video – well done, but you misread the intent

  71. So it looks like TBP has helped, not hindered, the tories. More votes taken off labour than conservatives.

  72. “So it looks like TBP has helped, not hindered, the tories. More votes taken off labour than conservatives.”

    I said for some time that TBP was more likely to take votes off Labour than Tory, especially up North where disgruntled Labour voters wouldn’t be able to stomach voting Tory but could accept a non-Labour party without the Tory baggage. Down South I’d guess it was more 50/50.

  73. Is our host in a position to reveal, or hint, even, if that was Mr Farage’s thinking, in contesting all labour seats?

  74. Bloke in Germany said:
    “So it looks like TBP has helped, not hindered, the tories. More votes taken off labour than conservatives.”

    So far, but we’ve mostly only seen results from northern, tribal Labour seats. Be interesting to see what happens in the south, particularly when it’s Conservatives challenging LibDems.

    It’s looking like the Brexit Party might have managed to win in the North East if the Conservatives had stood down for them.

  75. The Brexit Party didn’t stand in Putney Pcar. But it is a big jump to say that they would have won in London remain central and UN imports HQ.

    Even in the North I have only spotted 1 result were the combined Tory/BXP vote would have won. And who could know that in advance. BXP have helped by taking ZaNu votes. Lab are holding the massively safe seats like RoP land Leicester South.

  76. Now 3 seats that the combined Brex vote would have taken. All the other Lab seats the combined vote would have pushed ZaNu but NOT won.

  77. Dennis, Friend to Wogs

    Boris Derangement Syndrome has already begun. Prepare to be amazed, my woggie friends, ‘cause you ain’t seen nothing yet.

  78. For non BBC, ITV, C4, Sky UK anti Brexit/Con Election coverage check out
    youtube.com/user/SkyNewsAustralia/videos

    Goodnight and God bless

  79. Two Barnsley seats – Central and East – both Brexit Party second to Labour, both with Labour majority less than half the Conservative vote. Neither of them anywhere near the Conservatives’ target list.

    Highly likely Brexit Party would have defeated Labour in both if Conservatives had stood down.

  80. M’Lud
    A Very British Dude was a now defunct blog authored by this bloke: http://bracken.uk.com/about who styled himself “Jackart” The masthead of the blog was a yoof with a face seemingly painted with the Union Flag. Newmonia used it as his icon here when he first commented, which led Ecksy to believe Bracken & Newmonia were the same person. Hence the derogatory:”Facepainter”.
    Having followed the Dude blog, when it was running, I doubt it. The real life profile’s similar. Jackart was a lycra cowboy pedalled his way from south of the River to his desk at a City job. He’s a self confessed Remoaner.
    However, Jackart’s a thin skinned cvnt, a piece of cake to wind up. Particularly regarding the mutual antagonism between the the two wheeled louts & those who pay to use the roads, are required to be insured & don’t regard red traffic lights as merely decorative. Newmonia’s just not his writing style. It’s too over the top. And bicycles haven’t been mentioned once. Even though I’ve experimentally tried to provoke him. In addition, I’m pretty sure the Flagface image was around on the internet long before the Dude used it.
    My suspicion Newmonia’s a troll is based on his using classic troll techniques. Get on a thread & push peoples buttons until the topic gets abandoned in pursuit of whatever direction he takes it. It’s best done by someone who’s sympathies are aligned very much the same as the forum they’re trolling. They know which are the sensitive buttons & how to push them. For rank amateur trolling see Michael Sidgley above. For Mr Sludgley’s benefit, contributions like yours don’t get trolled they get flamed. FOAD

  81. Impressive how very strong victories are a threat to democracy. But going against a popular vote isn’t.

    Still, if Remain follow the same plan as the anti-Trump crowd we should be pleased. It stops them reflecting on why they lost. And so they will get thriller and shriller and less and less electable.

    BTW, just like to point out that I predicted a massive Tory landslide from the start. Boris against Corbyn? Hell even May could defeat Corbyn.

    My bet is that Brexit is rammed through very quickly. Boris electable want to do it while the enemy is unbalanced. And it will have faded from view by the next election.

  82. Worth remembering along with the deserved euphoria. There will now be 60 or 70 new snouts scrabbling for room at the trough. There is absolutely no reason to believe the Tories are anything other than the scum they always have been. The party campaigned for Remain.& picked a leader who did her best to fail to deliver the referendum result. There has been no change. They are the same party & the same scum. You know they are lying. Their lips are moving. Labour nay rightly have been crushed. The Tories need to be destroyed.

  83. “My bet is that Brexit is rammed through very quickly.”

    Not even a bet.. If one thing has become clear in the past year(s), it’s that the Brexit Limbo has already caused more damage than even the hardest Brexit ever could.
    There’s been enough stalling, and the thing has to be done. Quickly.
    It’s not even a matter of “ramming through”.. It’s a matter of getting the unholy mess sorted out so that people can get on with things.

  84. So far 7 or 8 seats where the combined Brex vote would have unseated ZaNu.In most of the seats ZaNu have held the combined Brex vote would not have shifted the bastards.

    SNP are doing well out of Labour collapse. Shows Scotlands addiction to socialism. Even tho’ SNP has lost popularity Scots couldn’t bring themselves to vote outside the leftist frame.

    BiS–I first encountered Face’s cockrot on Jackel-Hearts blog. I never confused the two.

  85. Bloke in North Dorset

    Let’s all pause and say a big thanks to Gina Miller, without her heroic intervention we’d have been living with May’s backstop.

  86. Talking of Jackart I made it a point of honour to go to his blog and remind him of his similarity to female genitalia on a regular basis.

    The bloke is a world class cunt.

  87. Newmania, Tony McRush, Michael Sedgeley, Richard Murphy, Jo Swinson, Chukka Immune, Jeremy Corbyn your boys took one hell of a beating.

  88. Poor Ritchie. He so often says he’s an avid blogger, getting up early to spew forth at length. For some reason he seems quiet this morning, anyone know why?

  89. *looks at results map*

    Ohh.. that’s some serious polarisation going on… “London” being told to shut the fvck up, and SNP taking Scotland.
    Even with a clear majority for Johnson with plenty elbow room to compensate for “dissidents” there’s still plenty room for fireworks in the future.

  90. Just heard Charles Moore on R4 stick the boot into the Beeb – telling Nick Robinson that it wasn’t representative of the people out in the country and it was high time that the licence fee was abolished, as the public shouldn’t be forced to pay his salary. Robinson wasn’t expecting it at all!

  91. “Sad news: North Down falls to remain alliance. DUP lose”
    I’m a North Down Brexiter and I voted Alliance. The DUP are a load of vile chancers without a strategic thought in their head. They have done immeasurable harm to the union. And they aren’t Brexiters in any honest sense of the term.

  92. Boris is a 19th century Prime Minister. Not a 21st century leadership man.

    He described black people as having watermelon smiles.

    He describes the working class as feckless and criminal.

    He also makes controversial comments about Jewish people, according to this Labour Jeremy Corbyn you tube video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ed9oTJFKk

    Watch the above video about this bigot Prime Minister.
    Boris is a right wing bigot.

    Yes, but he does have one or two bad points too

  93. NDReader
    “I’m a North Down Brexiter and I voted Alliance.”
    So am I and I didn’t! Agreed DUP are a shower of shite, but then most if not all politicians in NI are utterly appalling, tribal wankers. Was briefly tempted by UUP but not Alliance – worse than the Lib Dems.

  94. @bis December 13, 2019 at 4:19 am

    My suspicion Newmonia’s a troll is based on his using classic troll techniques. Get on a thread & push peoples buttons until the topic gets abandoned in pursuit of whatever direction he takes it

    Spot on. Best to call out or ignore “rabbit hole” diversion trolls

    Don’t feed trolls

    @December 13, 2019 at 4:54 am

    +1 most of new Tory MPs are CCHQ appointed Remainers

    @NDReader December 13, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    DUP want no deal Brexit thus aren’t Brexiters. Whut?

    You’re a Brexiter, but voted for remain party because?

    Your anti-DUP rant doesn’t correlate with this Bangorian

    Have you always been Alliance or were you SDLP, UUP?

  95. If you’re a connoisseur of schadenfreude, there’s a veritable banquet to be savoured over at the Grauniad. Best crop ever to be harvested. They’ll be talking about this vintage for decades. Don’t miss it while it’s fresh.

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