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Also, It is both a scientific and medical fact that intersex individuals do exist and gender is not as binary as mainstream society is set to believe. There have been documented cases of patients born with genetically male 46 XY karyotype who have gotten pregnant and gave birth.

I mean, sure, self declaration and all that but really?

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  1. “both a scientific and medical fact`”

    He can draw a nice distinction.

    “intersex individuals do exist and gender is not as binary as mainstream society is set to believe”: but then he mucks up by implying that gender is in some way the same as sex – I thought that the new dogma is that it ain’t. And I speak, I am sure, for all carrotkind.

  2. “ACKSHUALLY, bigot, sometimes horrifying two-headed flipper-babies with incurable mongoloidism are born, therefore having a second cranium surgically grafted to your torso like some kind of sex pervert Zaphod Beeblebrox is COMPLETELY NORMAL”

  3. That Eugene Gu fellas is a certifiable fucking loon.

    Just check out any PDJT tweet; Twitter promotes his replies. Absolutely screaming batshit wanker.

  4. Dennis, He Who Is Bored of and by LGBT+ Whining

    Dr. Gu misses the point entirely.

    The issue isn’t whether gender is binary. The issue is whether it is self-determined.

  5. It’s a popular tactic, though, to deploy the small proportion of people born genitally ambiguous as human shields for the claim that Olympic medal-winning athletes whove fathered at least six children are actually women.

  6. DM

    “but then he mucks up by implying that gender is in some way the same as sex – I thought that the new dogma is that it ain’t.

    Isn’t it simply a case of trying to use some sort of useful language to distinguish between “chromosomes” and “hacking bits off / gluing bits on”? And hence, if not “gender” (to try and distinguish from sex), then something else? Or has it all now moved on again, it’s almost impossible to keep up?

  7. really?

    Sort of. From the US National Institute of Health:

    “In Swyer syndrome, individuals with one X chromosome and one Y chromosome in each cell, the pattern typically found in boys and men, have female reproductive structures.

    People with Swyer syndrome have typical female external genitalia. The uterus and fallopian tubes are normally-formed, but the gonads (ovaries or testes) are not functional; affected individuals have undeveloped clumps of tissue called streak gonads”

    and

    “Women [sic] with this disorder do not produce eggs (ova), but they may be able to become pregnant with a donated egg or embryo.”

  8. 46 XY Karyotype is hypogonadism, a condition (Swyer syndrome) wherein a male fœtus fails fully to develop testes due to gene disorder on the Y chromosome. Instead ‘streak’ testes develop which usually are removed as they can become cancerous.

    No proper functioning testes in utero means no testosterone so the male fœtus develops under tte influence of mother’s œstrogen and develops female secondary sex characteristics, external female genitalia, so is usually identified as a female at birth and raised as a girl.

    After birth, either with no functioning or removed testes, no puberty, no fertility. And no ovaries either and probably only vestiges of a uterus, so how such an individual can get pregnant and give birth is a mystery which Gu MD does not explain.

    This is not ‘intersex’ the sex is male biologically, that is what XY means, nor is it hermaphrodite which would be intersex.

    And as another commentator points out, this is a matter of biochemistry giving rise to an anatomically abnormal individual, not a normal individual with a psychiatric disorder that sees themselves as something other than they are.

  9. Bloke in Costa Rica

    NiV was (is?) fond of asserting that there are measurable differences in the brain chemistry of trannies. Since this is under genetic control, it’s no more “normal” than being born with a half-dozen extra X and Y chromosomes. Presumably if the markers can be identified it could be tested for like the gene for cystic fibrosis. Maybe there’s a cure.

  10. This is angels dancing on the head of a pin territory. Why are we even having a discussion about this?
    The vast majority of people are born physically male or female. We shouldn’t even be considering upending the law, tradition, and history to pander to these people. They are either mentally unstable, or disingenuous and using this as a cudgel to get their way over other people.
    It’s the equivalent of a stroppy child holding their breath to get their own way. A sharp slap every time they try it (metaphorical of course) should teach them that their antics are unacceptable. Pandering to them is cowardice and counter productive.

  11. My wife was watching the Jenner person on I’m A Celebrity and apparently they said it’s not as much fun pissing in the shower as it used to be. I assume this refers to no longer having a penis so surely based on the extreme distress and remorse of this statement we can see that medical transitioning should be stopped

  12. I assume this refers to no longer having a penis…

    I thought Bruce had kept his ‘nads. Shows a pretty high level of commitment if he got them chopped, but I suppose that’s what you need to train / perform at an Olympic decathlon level.

  13. Perhaps I should be running this forum because I think we should have one dedicated topic/thread chat running from early Friday drinking time to late Sunday evening. I was sweating pearls back there hours ago, all wasted…this is what becomes of empire-building…

  14. “Also, It is both a scientific and medical fact that intersex individuals do exist and gender is not as binary as mainstream society is set to believe. There have been documented cases of patients born with genetically male 46 XY karyotype who have gotten pregnant and gave birth.”

    1. Sure. Intersex individuals exist. And gender is not binary. These have nothing to do with each other. Sex and gender are not the same thing – though, for 99.9999999% of us they are interchangeable.

    2. XY gonadal dysgenesis, also known as Swyer syndrome, is a type of hypogonadism in a person whose karyotype is 46,XY. **They typically have normal female external genitalia, identify as female, and are raised as girls.**

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis

    So, they’re not male. They’re intersex. Which doesn’t support the argument that males can get pregnant – or that sex and gender are the same thing – only that *sex* is more complicated than simply ‘XX or XY’

  15. There is male and female. They have their own chromosones. That’s it. On top of that, say, I am being very generous here, 0.005%, just out of my big stetson hat, a rough estimate, something that is born out of the ordinary. perhaps something a midwife has a look between the legs and can’t say if it is a boy or a girl. That’s fine.

    But a fucking soy boy gay just waking up and out of a whim deciding I am a …….

    no, I give up.

    I’ll have some beers tomorrow too.

  16. “Warren plan calls for male prisoners who identify as female to be placed in women’s prisons”

    Then why have women’s prisons? Feminists AWOL.

  17. moqifen, it does amaze me how many trans persons (and clearly all of them are famous this is such a niche thing) go and get girlfriends after tranning.

    Or perhaps more amazing is the ladies that go after said transes. I suppose there is no accounting for taste, but in my wide and varied experience, there is a great deal you can do for a lady’s joi de vivre when equipped as a natural born male that would not be possible post-amputation.

  18. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Are you with me Doctor Gu?
    Are you really just a shadow
    Of the man that I once knew?
    Are you crazy, are you high
    Or just an ordinary guy?
    .

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