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Snippa on the EU

Concerning Britain’s place in the European Union:

It wants to be independent because it is an identifiable nation state that thinks quite differently from the country that is seeking to control it.

Scotland’s place in Britain:

It wants to be independent because it is an identifiable nation state that thinks quite differently from the country that is seeking to control it.

Fair enough to the man, he’s being consistent.

27 thoughts on “Snippa on the EU”

  1. Not quite the same. Scotland is actually governed by Scottish UKIP whereas in this country it was only a minority interest ( fruitcakes and closet racists to coin a phrase). Leaving the EU was of relatively little interest one way or the other , immigration( ie disliking foreigners especially brown ones ) and various Daily Mail causes ( bringing back flogging ) were big issues .
    I think the underlying childishness is much the same and I`d suggest , that for the Sots we make the real question explicit
    ” Would you like to
    Accept that you are responsible for most of your problems
    Get with the realities of life

    Or

    Blame foreigners
    Vote for some lying purveyor of false hope like a sad Prozac addict on some shitty estate

  2. Scotland isn’t a country, neither is England (not talking about identity or history here). The country is the UK.

    Wee Jimmie wants to create a country called Scotland which manifestly lacks much of what is needed in the real world to operate as one.

    Details like a currency.

    Whatever you think of wee Jimmie and the SNP they are not stupid. But “clever” people always seem to miscalculate most spectacularly.

    That’s the EU in a nutshell BTW.

    I don’t know what wee Jimmie actually wants but hopefully she’ll just end up looking stupid. Anything rkae doesn’t really bear thinking about.

  3. Scotland isn’t a country, neither is England (not talking about identity or history here). The country is the UK.

    Wee Jimmie wants to create a country called Scotland which manifestly lacks much of what is needed in the real world to operate as one.

    Details like a currency.

    Whatever you think of wee Jimmie and the SNP they are not stupid. But “clever” people always seem to miscalculate most spectacularly.

    That’s the EU in a nutshell BTW.

    I don’t know what wee Jimmie actually wants but hopefully she’ll just end up looking stupid. Anything else doesn’t really bear thinking about.

  4. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I see Newmania is sticking with his imaginary list of reasons why people voted for Brexit (twice). It’s cos they’re a bit fick, innit, and don’t like foreigns, and so on. Ask Jeremy Corbyn, Dominic Grieve and Jo Swinson whether continually denigrating half the electorate turned out to be the psephological shot in the arm the Remoaners thought it would be. While you’re at it, ask Hillary Clinton if a similar strategy worked for her. Only do it before 10.30 in the morning otherwise she’ll be in the bag.

  5. Dennis, Crusher of Fools

    I see Newmania is sticking with his imaginary list of reasons why people voted for Brexit (twice).

    Hey, when you’re too stupid to correctly process the evidence in front of you, you get the sort of drivel Newmania ladles out. Seriously, what did you expect?

  6. @Tim Worstall December 19, 2019 at 4:09 pm

    UN and Trump don’t class EU as a Country

    EU Anthem is not a National Anthem.

    Scouts have a flag – they’re not a country

  7. Pcar

    It undoubtedly aspires – and to be more than just a country – it aspires to be an Empire. Stufftwat clarified that admirably just *yesterday*, and we’ve known it in any case for several decades. And it has been taking steps in that direction during that time as witnessed at every turn by the increased symbols of such status… The rest (he says / she says) is simply politics.

  8. Apologies for being OT again, but The Spectator’s analysis by John Conolly of the effect of the BP is important:

    Nigel Farage’s promises ahead of the election, to only contest seats where the Conservatives had no chance at beating Labour, do not really stack up. The Brexit party, which returned no MPs, came in second place in only two Labour held seats, while the Tories came second in a whopping 176. For the most part, the idea that the Brexit party would act as a plausible alternative to Northern voters squeamish about voting for their Conservative candidate, did not come to pass.

    Instead, it seems the party mainly acted as an extra line of defence for the Labour party. In total, Labour managed to hold on to 189 of its seats on election night. Of these 189, there were 38 seats where the combined total of the Brexit party and Conservative votes exceeded the Labour party tally. If all of the Brexit party’s voters had instead backed the Conservatives on Thursday in these areas, then the Tories would have gained an additional 38 seats, and would have sent 403 MPs to the House of Commons. These additional constituencies saved by the Brexit party/Conservative split include Ed Miliband’s seat of Doncaster North, Jon Trickett’s Hemsworth and in Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford, Yvette Cooper, who only hung on to her seat with a threadbare majority of 1,276….They are unlikely to admit it, but Labour MPs could well end up in the strange position of praying for Nigel Farage’s political survival.

    So, thanks to the BP, we have more socialist scumbags in Parliament than we could have had!

    Notes:

    1. Boris couldn’t have done a deal with the BP without compromising his brand in seats such as Guildford (where Farage is toxic) and causing dissent among local activists in northern seats. A deal was never politically possible.

    2. 32% of the electorate voted for an anti-western, anti-semitic revolutionary communist!! Be afraid, be very afraid. Until the Tories have ground Labour to electoral dust, any other right party risks letting Labour in. The time to split the Tories is after Labour is destroyed — not before. Because the Tories – for all their numerous failings – are the only bulwark against full-on socialism.

  9. Theo, drop it. You have better friends than you deserve, and I’m not one of them. For my part, I didn’t hold my nose and vote for your relentlessly self-entitled chums. My gag reflex intervened. Labour lost its Red Wall. You crashing plonkers have still to understand there is a bloc un-mollified by Blond Beast beastiness. Understand it, or we’ll get you in the end.

    Dennis, the EU purported to create a nationality in 1992/3, when the Maastricht treaty was ratified.

    Or, in the case of Denmark, rejected, then ratified in the face of what may have been the first example of the tranzis’ more obvs demonstration of contempt for a subject people. That was ’92.

    As you were.

  10. Theo: So, thanks to the BP, we have more socialist scumbags in Parliament than we could have had!

    I think that the government majority hardly needs to be greater than it is to be effective. It’s probably large enough, in the ordinary way of things, to take two general elections before its popularity is spent so that gives the Tories ten years.

    However, the Labour party is now controlled root and branch by Momentum and Unite at both central and constituency level and their belief is that Corbynism-Leninism is the way forward so it’s a long hard winter before Labour emerges again as an electable proposition, if ever. That could give the Tories even longer.

    Why is it right that the Brexit Party should not have rolled over and died? Opposition to the Tories must now come from the right who think that Jonson’s economic policies are misguided and who believe that his socially liberal policies are foolhardy.

    The NHS needs restructuring before anything else and legislating to ensure it gets ever more money is a silly Labour gimmick debunked during the Brown episode.

    I agree that an electoral pact with the Brexit Party would not have doen the Tories any good at all at the General Election but that said the time for the Brexit Party is now.

  11. Sigh.

    Theo, I read that earlier. Notwithstanding Connolly’s simplistic repetition / analysis, you’ve been selective with your extracts!

    I’ve seen you post on here for years. When it’s not something personal to you, like the Tory party, you normally do a shit load better in your critical analysis, honest guv! What you’ve just gone and quoted above has added nothing new at all to the earlier discussion.

    “So, thanks to the BP, we have more socialist scumbags in Parliament than we could have had!”

    Ah, it’s that Tory entitled look again – love it! If it makes you happy..;)

  12. Well said, M’Lud. If the best you can offer is you’re not as bad as the other lot, it’s a poor choice. The sole reason the Tories have won is because Labour’s worse & a large numbers of its traditional voters couldn’t stomach Brexit betrayal & Comrade Corbyn. But it’s still the same party produced Cameron & May. Indistinguishable from Bliar’s New Liebour.

  13. Theo–The Spec sups at the same fountain of shite AS you do.

    If you want to do something useful help fight off the BluLabour scum who run your gang of cucks,

    Start by telling Blojo that an illegals amnesty will give ZaNu a million new voters. As if he should fucking need to be told that. And that the green shite he is full of is Labour squirt re-cycled. It will win him no points with his new friends.,

  14. “. . . hinks quite differently from the country that is seeking to control it.”

    Doesn’t he mean ‘thinks quite differently from the country that it controls’?

    I don’t see the independent English parliament having managed to finangle the north into financing England’s welfare state.

    In any case – if Scotland is so different then it should just #Leave.

  15. @PF

    EU Empire: LibDems cheered for that when Guy Verhofstit confirmed it

    @Mr Lud, TMB, PF, bis, & Ecks

    Spot on

    @Diogenes

    Do you live in Brussels?

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