Snippa will disagree

In 2018- 19, Scotland ran a budget deficit of 7 per cent of gross domestic product, compared with 1.1 per cent for the whole of the UK. Scotland’s revenue per head, even including a geographic share of North Sea revenues (ie the overwhelming majority of them), was £11,531, compared with £11,838 for the whole of the UK.

Scotland’s public expenditure per head is significantly higher than the whole of the UK — £13,854 versus £12,193. Higher spending and lower taxes mean that Scotland has a fiscal problem. Nobody, including the SNP’s Growth Commission, has come up with the answer to this. Scotland needs either substantially higher tax revenues or an austerity programme much more severe than that experienced by the UK over the past decade.

The disagreement being rather that he doesn’t want to believe it instead of any actual reason.

49 thoughts on “Snippa will disagree”

  1. Those of us who deplore the brain dead ethnic Nationalism of contemporary Europe , should loathe it on both sides of Hadrian’s wall. Scotland outside the UK would be much much poorer
    Nicola Sturgeon has rightly pointed out that non-tariff barriers to trade would be disastrous for the Uk whose economy is highly integrated with the EU. The Scottish economy is, of course , even more integrated with the UK economy and the asymmetry of power of a similar order . Inside the EU there will be a hard trading border with England exactly as Ms Sturgeon has right pointed out with devastating consequences additional to its fiscal back hole

    Incidentally I have an idea for a new Party .The South East No Tax exports Party ( SNP) -The South East is the only tax exporting region of the UK outside London -..actually maybe just call it the Selfish Nasty Party( SNP)

  2. Newmania- what’s this loathe stuff? We’re told there is no contradiction between nationalism and EUism except of course when someone has a bright idea to secede. Then all of a sudden there is. Scottish independence, is not a stupid idea, it makes a lot of sense. Scots consistently vote for socialism and don’t get a socialist government. There’s an incomplete feedback loop and independence will help with that.

  3. Talking of non-tariff barriers, I had cause to visit a Burger King last week. All the walls are plastered with posters declaiming “Only British and Irish potatoes and beef!” How is this not a non-tarrif barrier to trade? How have the frogs not prosecuted them for refusing to choose to buy french beef?

  4. Steve- they aren’t all that different to me. I suppose SNP is a broader church, given that their priority is independence over anything else.

  5. If nationalism’s so despicable, why’s the EU trying to create a nation out of Europe? What’s with the flag & anthem & such? Why’s the star spangled anus everywhere you look.?

  6. Although I have to admit the symbolism of the EU flag’s inspired. The interests of the European people at the periphery with a great big vacuum at the centre. Makes me think of dying stars spiralling down into a black hole

  7. The Scots can have independence or socialism but not both. Problem is they keep voting for a National Socialist party.

  8. “Those of us who deplore the brain dead ethnic Nationalism of contemporary Europe , should loathe it on both sides of Hadrian’s wall. Scotland outside the UK would be much much poorer”

    How so? I understood your argument to be that EU membership is the path to riches for its members. Scotland if independent would apply to become an EU member, ergo rich(er). Or is the cost of UK independence for Scotland more than the benefit of being an (independent) EU member?

  9. “non-tariff barriers to trade would be disastrous for the Uk whose economy is highly integrated with the EU. The Scottish economy is, of course , even more integrated with the UK economy and the asymmetry of power of a similar order ”
    We can measure this, Newmania, and it’s not true.
    Change integrated to aligned and your claim holds up.
    Have a hysterical Christmas, mate, and a disastrous New Year ( one in which you earn more than last year but not as much as you’d like )

  10. “Only British and Irish potatoes and beef!”

    They’ll have to get rid of the Paddy stuff if they want my custom.

  11. How so? I understood your argument to be that EU membership is the path to riches for its members. Scotland if independent would apply to become an EU member, ergo rich(er). Or is the cost of UK independence for Scotland more than the benefit of being an (independent) EU member?

    Do I really have to explain this ? Leaving the EU is very bad thing .Leaving the UK , for Scotland is now considerably worse because it is the same problem but with much more trading to be disrupted and a long history of borderless trade
    Independence was vaguely plausible within a wider free trade environment ( well not really but anyway lets just say) – Now the Scotland/ England border would become not merely political but an insoluble problem to be negotiated with a bitter and much larger neighbour .

    Brexit has killed Independence its just a question of whether the SNP can lie their way around that fact . On the basis of recent experience anything is possible

  12. Steve,

    I’m baffled. Are the police scotties and nasty nazis saying it’s NOT OK to be white? That’s a bit bloody racist?

    Newmania

    If that’s what they want, as a country, why shouldn’t they have it; who are we to refuse them?

    BiS

    It’s more than a nation – and quite consistent with the nation phobia of Newmania and his ilk – it’s an Empire. Verstoftwat made that perfectly clear.

  13. PF – Apparently some snowflake in Perth was literally shaking because they saw a brown chap walk past an “It’s OK to be white” flyposter.

    The coloured guy didn’t pay it any heed, but our brave social justice warrior took it apon xirself to be offended on his behalf, and both the Scottish Joke Police and slapheaded SNP buffoon John Swiney have declared that it’s definitely not okay to be white in Scotland.

    Honk-fucking-honk

    Brb – printing off some “Islam Is Right About Women” posters

  14. Steve

    How much harm has been caused over the past near two decades by the rise of those who take vicarious offence? (of which this is a prime example) – it was a link from the excellent Longrider who pointed out that such people need to be told to ‘F^&@ off’ in no uncertain terms.

    Sadly they seem instead to dictate (increasingly) the law of the land and direct the police priorities also…

  15. ‘Nobody, including the SNP’s Growth Commission’

    I assume the biggest barrier to growth is the Growth Commission.

    ‘has come up with the answer to this.’

    The answer: They need their own currency, so they can have a Magic Money Tree. Live very well for a few years.

    ‘Scotland needs either substantially higher tax revenues or an austerity programme much more severe than that experienced by the UK over the past decade.’

    ‘Austerity’ is hate speech.

  16. Scottish nationalism is just wind and piss. They’re just grifters trying to get more money out of wastemonster.

    If wee Jimmie got a second referendum I would expect the result to be a firm NO.

    increasing numbers of people in England are taking the view “there’s the door don’t let it hit you on the arse on the way out”. And an independent Scotland, economically, would make Venezuela look like Switzerland.

    Everybody is well aware of these truths but it’s part of a centuries long ongoing theatre that they make this noise and we pretend to be concerned.

    There are those who are frothing at the gusset at the though of the UK falling apart, comparing Scotland to Catatonia (I think more brits have heard of them than Catalonia). Dream on.

    The porridge wogs will be moaning about bastard sassenach ponces for a long time to come, just as we’ll be telling the thistle arsed baboons to fuck off.

    How little those unfortunate not to be born on this sceptered isle understand of us. Like trying to explain to a woman the value of a good forward defensive stroke.

    Rule Britannia!

    We’ll still be here, calling each other names when that toytown Austria-Hungary is just another footnote in history.

  17. ‘We have in [Richard Murphy] a man without honour and without shame – and a type of preening narcissism that means he thinks he’s still got something left to offer the Labour movement’

    No folks, actually this was Mary Creagh, just ousted as a Labour MP, speaking about Jeremy Corbyn

  18. Mark, as any true Scotsman will tell you “porridge wogs” is an intolerable insult.

    The correct term for us is “demented porridge wogs”.

  19. VP – Milo of Memory Hole (naughty missus) fame once observed that Islam is like the common cold, while progressivism is AIDS:

    “It’s easy to shake off a cold. Unless you have AIDS.”

    Mark – I feel sure I should mention my longstanding desire to have heterosexual intercourse with Cymrian crumped Cerys of Catatonia.

    Bang tidy, she is.

  20. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I am so pleased to see that my coinage of the phrase “demented porridge wogs” still appears to be legal tender round these parts.

    There would be a certain grim satisfaction in watching the convoys of famine relief lorries heading north over the bridge at Coldstream six months after independence to deliver supplies of Tunnock’s Teacakes and Buckfast to the DPWs shivering in their bothies.

  21. IIRC correctly, the full expression to describe the SNP was “wee Jimmy Krankie and her gang of demented porridge wogs”.

    Not since Shakespeare has the English language so eloquently been put to use.

  22. As an outsider, there is much about Europe, including the English part of Europe, that apparently defies rational analysis.

    UK separation from the EU is good, supposedly opening the doors to the sunlit uplands of freedom; but Scottish separation from the UK is bad, leading only to misery & despair?

    It is rather the same as English commentators getting all excited about China slapping down the people of Hong Kong who want self-government, but remaining absolutely silent about Spain jailing democratically elected leaders in Catalonia who want self-government.

    Oh well! We are all human. Rationality is optional.

  23. There are some of us logically consistent. Me for example. Catalonia wants independence? OK, Spain’s an imperial construct after all. HK does? Great, why not? Scotland? Have fun folks. Britain wants out of the EU? Why not? South Sudan wants away from North Sudan? Sure, go for it. Quebec from Canada? I ain’t got no problem – Brittany from France and so on.

  24. But what if Bretagne applied to join the Grand Bretagne? Would we want those bloody frogs? Well, we’d take my cousin and his spawn, obviously, but what about the others?

  25. “Scottish separation from the UK is bad, leading only to misery & despair?”

    Only, economically, for the Scots.

    As an Englishman, I’d be glad to see the back of the sour miserable lot of them.

  26. Gavin L:It is rather the same as English commentators getting all excited about China slapping down the people of Hong Kong who want self-government, but remaining absolutely silent about Spain jailing democratically elected leaders in Catalonia who want self-government.

    That is indeed how it may appear but one must allow for the fact that most “commentators” in the media work for pro-EU organisations so the logic then is that they are anti Brexit and by extension anything that is threatening the super-state.

    You could equally well have pointed to and with justification the media news black-out on the “Yellow Vest” movement in France which is vaguely Frexit and inimical to Macron, the integrationists’ hero by default.

    Most people in England who have a view probably feel a degree of nostalgia for the Union but are fed up with the whining of the North Britons who rely on bundles of English money finding its way into the graceless tartan maw.

  27. Widow Krankie doesn’t actually want a referendum (which would be lost by a wider margin than 5 years ago, the Scots not being entirely stupid), she wants to be refused a referendum so she can whinge about it for the next 5 years. Boris should simply call her bluff: “You’d like a referendum? How’s next Thursday for you?” (although I recognise that this would be a diversion of government resources that need to be focused on GBD and other priorities).

  28. What about the bog-trotters? Anyone think Eire would really want/afford to take them on (irrespective of tricolor waving)??

  29. I’ve never been that fussed on the Scots. They’re always so opinionated on absolutely everything. The accent, (unless it’s from a Lowland Scot), grates in your head.
    It has to be said though that a significant number of them are hard working, intelligent and very technically minded. That can be verified by all the discoveries they’ve made of a scientific nature.
    The rest of them are a bunch of useless wasters. This group is represented by Sturgeon.
    I’d love to see a genuine Scottish nationalist movement arise which told the English and the EU where to go and where to put their subsidy money (same for Wales). We all know that ain’t gonna happen though.

  30. ” Anyone think Eire would really want/afford to take them on (irrespective of tricolor waving)??”

    I bet the Republic would sh*t themselves if the North voted to join the South. NI costs the rUK about a net £9bn/yr. The entire Irish State only plans to spend €80bn in 2020, so taking on NI would mean a rise in spending of about 13%. Or in other terms, about 3% of GDP.

  31. Bloke in Costa Rica

    There’d certainly be a lot of buyer’s remorse if NI koined the Republic, rather akin to the West Germans taking on a load of economically unproductive Ossis.

  32. Higher spending and lower taxes mean that Scotland

    Scotland has higher taxes than rest of UK. MOD gave military sent/based in Scotland an “allowance” (aka pay rise) to cover it.

    Two Times articles here in one day with dodgy numbers/facts and one yesterday too. Are they copy&pasting Groan articles?

  33. @jgh

    A firm, just like you, can buy from whoever they want

    Don’t Fray Bentos use Brazil beef? /wink

    @BraveFart

    EU say Scotland would be a net contributor

    @Jim, BiCR

    You’re vastly under-estimating NI and over-estimating RoI

  34. I’d like to see the expressions on the faces of the nationalists in NI when it’s explained to them that unification means no NHS. Health care would still be universal, just not socialised. Such fun to see

  35. See that EU courts are saying Poland may have to be expelled from EU, should make for an interesting backdrop to Brexit

  36. Sturgeon–The Fish Faced Hag ( as opposed to Treason May–The Fish Faced Cow) plans to help the EU –and behind then their globo-elite masters–do tro Scotland what Vardarse plans for the Irish. Outnumber by 3rd world imports and under the thumb of bullshit eco-tyranny. Eg only allowed to live in “high density housing” ie urban shitholes ruled by machete gangs. The countryside being preserved for the estates and mansions of said elite.

    BTW –top trolling on EU based insults Their flag= The Star-Spangled Anus and the EU as ” Toytown Austria -Hungary”. Ruled doubtless by Emperor Franz-Beersip . The House of Facepainter.

  37. If an English kid goes to Edinburgh university they pay 9 grand, but a Scottish kid gets it for free. Even more outrageous, so do all the 2350 kids from the EU that applied this year. Four year course, that means the UK – ie English – tax payer is subsidising EU students to the tune of 100million a year just to keep overpaid and underworked Yooney lecturers in tartan gravy. Of course when we finally leave that will all come to an end – although the Scots have just underwritten this year’s lot.
    What should also be on Boris’ ‘little list’ is that all the EU students in the UK as a whole are eligible for UK student loans – which will only be paid back if they stay in this country and pay tax. Very likely I don’t think. No wonder all the academic establishment want the UK to remain in the EU.

  38. My spies on the ground say that most of those “overpaid and underworked Yooney lecturers” at Edinburgh Uni are in fact — how to say this? — English. Except for the ones from India.

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