That settles that then

Nice of Snippa to make it so clear for us:

Voting Anything But Conservative is a vote for the Green New Deal

Bojo it is then.

43 thoughts on “That settles that then”

  1. He must really be at a loose end for work. For the first time in 5 years the TRUK accounts aren’t filed late.

  2. So enlighten me, what’s in the new deal? Is it costed? Is the future electrical generating load mapped out? Will I be allowed to have a car and drive it where I like? How am I going to heat my house assuming that the benefits of insulation are diminishing with expenditure? Are we going to keep on importing half a million people a year to share in the fun?

  3. That’ll be news to the Brexit Party I shouldn’t be surprised!

    Actually, I wonder whether Capt. Potato is considering applying the tuberous tongue to Nigel Farage’s bigoted and jingoistic fundament.

  4. I will be voting against the Conservative Party because I am fortunate enough to have moderate Liberal candidate with a real chance of success facing a thicko opportunist blue Nazi
    Quite what one would do given the choice of bearded fantasist versus bloviating clown I don`t know, I just don`t think I could vote for this Labour Party under any circumstances .

    Many people clearly feel the same. I cannot recall such a sense of misery hanging over the country

  5. Newmania, there is a typo in the last line of your comment. It says “the country” where you evidently meant to type “the kind of people I hang out with.”

    HTH

  6. Aren’t we all forgetting that politicians lie through their teeth by default. Do we really trust the scum in the blue rosettes to implement Brexit? And would the scum in the red ones deliver the Labour manifesto once they’re comfortably seated in Westminster? The two lots of scum have been indistinguishable for the past two decades. Why should there be any change now? They have no principals apart from those serve their own purpose.

  7. You are scum Facepaint. It is no surprise that you vote for scum as traitorous as yourself.

    It is now a 2 horse race. Only a Johnson vote can keep Brexit alive. Johnson MIGHT try to cheat us on the FTA. but Brexit supporters have a far better chance of bringing him to heel if he tries. Jizz will award himself 4 million fake new voters-all anti-UK– if he and the SNP slime can do a pact. That is the end of Brexit and the UK.

    Don’t split the vote.

  8. bloke in spain,

    “The two lots of scum have been indistinguishable for the past two decades. Why should there be any change now? They have no principals apart from those serve their own purpose.”

    Because to serve themselves, to be in power, this is what they now have to do. Brexit Party is like a bloke in dark shades saying “nice majority you’ve got there, shame if it got split in 2 and Labour got in”.

    The other result of all the Brexit fighting is that the Eurosnobs in the party have mostly buggered off. The Conservative Party has been changing for some time, even before Brexit, and the remainer/elitists know they’re rather in the minority. I don’t think the term “blue collar” is the whole picture, but the divide between red and blue isn’t about earnings now, it’s about big vs small state. The competitive private sector (car mechanics, shopfitters, entrepreneurs) are blue. Red and yellow are either people working for government, or in the bits of the private sector that depend on state licensing (medicine, banking, law). I’m seeing this all the time. I’ve been working in companies on both sides. Programmers in manufacturing are leavers. Programmers in banking are remainers. You see it in the activists, too. Conservative activists are no wealthier than Labour ones.

  9. Bloke on M4

    “the divide……………….it’s about big vs small state. ”

    I don’t think that’s quite right. The divide is between socially liberal and socially conservative.

    And the socially conservative are moving left on economics. Socially and economically liberal politics, with its globalisation, free movement of capital and labour, deracinated corporations, gay marriage and tutti frutti genders hasn’t exactly been popular with the working class, for good and rational reasons.

  10. He’s preparing himself for Friday morning, when the lie which will sustain him for the next four years will be born:

    “But 54% of the electorate voted for the Green New Deal, and they have been betrayed”, etc.

  11. Nobody in this country thinks that you have to manage the finances of a country. If you want money you can just borrow it. Or there’s that bloke over there, he’s a billionaire with a loft full of used fivers, just pass a law that him and 57 of his rich mates cough up a billion each and viola! you can give all the 59 year old ladies in the country 25k a year till they die.

    The fiction that the Tories don’t give everyone free stuff only because they like to see people suffer is now accepted by 99% of the population. I am resigned as regards this GE. If people continue to believe that the Labour way works, when the evidence shows that such a regime results in everyone starving, soldiers patrolling the borders with orders to kill anyone attempting to leave, then give Jeremy and John a try. But you will regret it.

  12. ““the divide……………….it’s about big vs small state. ”

    I don’t think that’s quite right. The divide is between socially liberal and socially conservative.”

    I’d say that its about producers vs consumers. If you compared the net tax generated from Tory voters to that generated from Labour/LibDem ones, you’d see that the Tories were net contributors and the Left were net consumers. The consumption may be just a few K in benefits or it may be a massive State funded salary. Its not about the amount of recompense anyone gets any more, its were it comes from – your own productive efforts, or someone else’s productive effort thats been taxed away.

  13. I wish I had your confidence, BoM4. Far as I can see, the only thing interests them is getting their fat arses on green benches – preferably on the government side – and their snouts in the trough. Policies are simply what they promise to get elected. Once they’re there they do what they want.
    ” it’s about big vs small state” OK. Explain where the benefit to a politician is in a small state. In a smaller trough with less swill. In your dreams.

  14. ‘soldiers patrolling the borders with orders to kill anyone attempting to leave’.

    This was during my visit to East Berlin, when it was still East Berlin. There was the usual fuss at the time about Oz’s immigration policies, and I remember thinking that the Communist countries have problems with all the people who want to get out, whereas we have problems with all the ones who want to get in.

  15. Dennis, Climate-Change Denying Fruitcake

    Boris Johnson is a promoter of the politics of envy.

    Classic RM that breaks the Irony Meter.

  16. One of the internal tensions set up by the lies told to inflict Brexit on population who generally do not give a fuck about sovereignty was the necessity to produce a “Brexit Bonus” and cut immigration.
    As you morons are no doubt unaware much of the UK`s growth has been due to immigration . Leaving aside further benefits of FOM no-on doubts that increases GDP , certainly not the treasury or the IFS.
    Cutting immigration will immediately cut the UK`s ability to borrow when spending plans are already fiscal child abuse …with debt set to rise to levels not seen since the 60s under the blond Bunter cunt
    Will he make high profile spending cuts or will he lie about immigration

    Its not hard is it

  17. cough up a billion each and viola!

    The stuff that gets hidden in the small print – a Stradavarius tax.

    And from the correspondent who can’t stand whining:

    whine whine whine whine whine whine cunt whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine

  18. Dennis, Crusher of Fools

    One of the internal tensions set up by the lies told to inflict Brexit on population who generally do not give a fuck about sovereignty was the necessity to produce a “Brexit Bonus” and cut immigration.

    Dishonest, semi-literate swill produced for self-consumption only. Far too stupid to convince anyone with the remotest grip on the facts (or reality).

    It’s not that you’re full of shit, Newmania. It’s that you’re so stupid about being full of shit.

  19. Newmania said:
    “Cutting immigration will immediately cut the UK`s ability to borrow”

    Splendid. The only way to make politicians cut spending is to cut off the money supply.

  20. Newmania

    Growth is not necessarily good. A better measure is growth in GDP per capita. in general if the UK reduced migration, it would also mean a reduction in pressure on services and on housing. In addition, migrants on average are a cost on society although this is true for the median UK household as well. Reducing the number of Polish builders will probably be a net cost to the UK (working age single men who intend to return to Poland before requiring social security and pensions), but reducing the number of big issue sellers from Romania will be a net benefit. Overall European migration is probably fiscally neutral – hence your argument is incorrect about borrowing capacity. (Note that leaving the EU will lower projected growth and thus will lower borrowing capacity, due to trade that does not take place and investment that does not take place, but this is separate from the migration bit entirely.)

    To be fair the greatest benefit in terms of welfare costs would be to reduce migration from South Asia and from Africa, both groups that tend to settle and to represent net costs over their lifetimes.

    Your inability to distinguish between good quality growth and any form of growth don’t really suggest that remainers are any better at sums than the leavers.

  21. “As you morons are no doubt unaware much of the UK`s growth has been due to immigration”

    Some of it has been, quite possibly, in fat almost certainly; but none of the increases in GBP per capita which is what matters.

    So fuck off face paint, back under your stone.

  22. Dennis, He Who Wants You To Show Your Work

    As you morons are no doubt unaware much of the UK`s growth has been due to immigration.

    Define “much”.

    Would you happen to have any government published statistics to back up that assertion?

    Of course you don’t.

  23. To show that UK growth is due to immigration, you’d have to show the immigrants were employed doing work it would be impossible for Brits to do. Which may be true of a tiny number of jobs. Otherwise markets would solve the problem. If there’s a need for the skill, wages would rise until enough people were encouraged to acquire the skill & solve the problem. This is how it operates for novel skills, have never existed before. So it could work for any skill.
    The problem is the country has a system rewards idleness & tries to solve it with immigration.

  24. “As you morons are no doubt unaware much of the UK`s growth has been due to immigration.”

    That’s a pretty big strawman. Very few brexit voters are saying 0 immigration. Most of them are saying:
    1) less rules from Brussels
    2) some control over immigration incentivising productive and well-behaved immigrants that are will to integrate over those that don’t tick these boxes. (You know like they do in e.g. Canada, but since they have “liberal” PM saying the right things then I presume they are in the good camp whatever they do)

    1) makes sense for anyone who has been close to Brussels
    2) makes common sense in general (and I speak as an immigrant) and would increase GDP per capita fare more than the alternative

  25. This idea about the benefit of Polish plumbers is only shared by the serially incompetent. Like Newmonia. When I needed plumbing done, I was sure if anyone was going to benefit from the high costs of plumbery it’s was your’s truly. So I taught myself to be a plumber. It’s not hard. Harder than finance or insurance, which I’ve also done. But not hard. Since, I’ve taught 3 other people to be plumbers, to save me having to do it. People who were otherwise unskilled. Pretty well every field of employment is like that. It has to be, or the idiots currently doing them wouldn’t have jobs.

  26. Recusant,

    “And the socially conservative are moving left on economics. Socially and economically liberal politics, with its globalisation, free movement of capital and labour, deracinated corporations, gay marriage and tutti frutti genders hasn’t exactly been popular with the working class, for good and rational reasons.”

    You think some bloke in a cheap part of town gives a toss if a couple of gays bang? Or if they do so after signing a piece of paper? That time is gone. No-one cares.

    People are concerned with things like security, money, quality of health and their kids schools. Personally, I think a great deal of immigration is illiberal. Not high skilled programmers, but I don’t believe that Starbucks baristas and nannies from Poland are making a net contribution to the UK. The statist classes don’t care because they’re the beneficiaries of cheaper services, while everyone pays the costs.

    Most working class people (and I mean actually working, working class people rather than benefit queens) don’t want a massive state. They’d like more control over their lives. The money to buy a car rather than it getting shoved into railways. Boris should be very careful not to think they want a big state.

  27. bloke in spain,

    “To show that UK growth is due to immigration, you’d have to show the immigrants were employed doing work it would be impossible for Brits to do. Which may be true of a tiny number of jobs. Otherwise markets would solve the problem. If there’s a need for the skill, wages would rise until enough people were encouraged to acquire the skill & solve the problem. This is how it operates for novel skills, have never existed before. So it could work for any skill.
    The problem is the country has a system rewards idleness & tries to solve it with immigration.”

    Roughly speaking, it’s like Soviet Communism. Don’t make better use of resources, throw more resources at the problem.

    it’s not an accident that Japan has lots of vending machines. it’s because they don’t import millions of immigrants. So, they replace people serving goods with machines. They’re also investing a lot of money in things like tech for old people’s homes, while we’re still in the dark ages.

  28. @rhoda klapp December 9, 2019 at 1:02 pm

    Answers: Bollocks & Fantasy; No; No; No; Magic Money; Racist to ask

    What’s the big worry? Immigration, immigration, immigration

    How many times in the past few months have we heard politicians and commentators, and those who benefit from high levels of immigration, say that the public is no longer bothered about the very high levels of immigration that this country continues to experience?

    This is of course untrue and a new Deltapoll, commissioned by Migration Watch UK, gives the lie to the claim (see summary here and report by the Daily Mail here).

    Notwithstanding what we have been repeatedly told, the survey has found that nearly two-thirds of respondents (65 per cent) agree that recent levels of overseas net migration to the UK are a source of major concern for the public. Fewer than a quarter (22 per cent) disagree.

    So why has immigration not been given the prominence in the election campaign that the public clearly believe it merits?
    ….
    The regions where most voters agreed immigration to be a concern were Wales (69 per cent) and the Midlands (68 per cent). Indeed, 65 per cent of Londoners (who would have thought it?) and even 60 per cent of respondents in Scotland agreed: not what the SNP leadership would have you believe.

    As for what this election is supposed to be about, 52 per cent of Remain voters were of this view and so were 81 per cent of Leave voters. Those who were concerned formed a majority of all age-groups – even 53 per cent of 18-24-year-olds who took part in the survey…

    Will either Cons or Lab commit to giving the public what it wants, a substantial reduction in immigration? Or will they continue with “majority of British are bigots & racists”?

    imo immigration is like trans: more Gov’t/Pols/BBC support it, less public accepts it

  29. Tell you what’s just made my day. A letter from Alistair Campbell urging me to vote Lib Dem cos I live in a marginal Tory constituency (Finchley and GG).

    It’s as though he works for Tory Central Office, the idea that I wouldn’t do the opposite of what he wants.

    Still, the constituency is an interesting one. Tory incumbent, feeble 1500 majority, nobody’s idea of a rock-ribbed… Er, anything. And lots of Jewish chaps here so I doubt it’ll fall to Grandpa Death.

    Newmania’d love it. Till he got stabbed.

  30. @ Newmania
    If you are looking back far enough ALL of Britain’s growth is due to immigration since GDP was nil during the Ice Age. However successive waves of immigration after the first couple have usually (often severely) diminished the welfare of the earlier inhabitants. It wasn’t just the Neanderthals who were dispossessed – the homo sapiens sapiens hunter-gatherers contribute only a few % (usually less than 1%) of the genome of modern Brits as a result of the immigration of “Anatolian agriculturalists”. Some will argue the benefits of the Roman conquest but that was only for the favoured minority of Romano-Britons which disappeared after the legions withdrew and the Anglo-Saxons invaded. I need not detail the effects of the Vikings or the Norman conquest.
    I can think of two or three memorable immigrations that benefited those already here: the Flemish weavers fleeing from the Spanish and the 1930s Jews fleeing from the Nazis and possibly the Huguenots fleeing religious persecution, but otherwise …
    Immigration is often correlated with economic growth BUT that is because economic growth attracts immigrants – you are confusing cause and effect.

  31. Momentum Thugs Organising Cash Reward for Attack on Boris With Milkshakes

    The shipped-in [paid] thugs aren’t unique to Leeds Hospitals… Straight from the Soros play-book: ads on Gumtree for $15ph + expenses for Antifa and anti-Trump Protestors; XR doing it too

    btw C4 News was a one hour attack on Tories and Brexit Party liberally infused with Support Labour messages. C4/ITN are a disgrace

    Swinson I Inhaled and I Liked It

    Unusual? Yes it was, the few who did on BSc were called “dope heads” and they all dropped out or failed. Zero “dope heads” on MBA

    Perfectly safe? Ask the Hashashins. Also, today’s skunk is not pot

  32. john77: that’s an interesting distinction. I’ve argued that the difference between past immigration and current immigration is that in the past people came here to become British (or – particularly in the case of Carribeans – because they already considered themselves British); nowadays people come here hating every aspect of Britishness and Britiain. You’ve made a good point that in the past people came here to flee hatred and intolerance, modern immigrants are coming here to *bring* hatred and intolerance.

  33. You gents are correct.

    Hard ass Constitutionalists like me are not against immigration. We are against open borders. Incoming must be controlled to those who are useful and to allow integration. Citizenship test in X years; failure means they go back. In the U.S. experience, few fail. Repeal the Hart–Celler Act.

    We have >10,000,000 who are just here. Not immigrants, invaders.

    For the U.S., the only refugees we should accept would be from Cuba. No other adjacent country has conditions such that people should flee. Our taking Somalis is just stoopid.

  34. Just seen the conservatives Brexit actually ad, very good piece of campaigning, even my Irish colleague who is anti-Brexit (not her country I keep pointing out, she isn’t leaving EU) etc. loved it

  35. Like I always say, Gamecock, if only Boney had thought to stick his Grande Armee in Bermuda shorts, sending them, without arms, across the Channel in barques and coracles, he’d have had far greater success. Goring, and Sealion, likewise.

    Oh no, I forget. Back then our rulers didn’t hate us. Condescend to us, perhaps. But Pitt, Chamberlain and Churchill didn’t hate us.

    Mind you, Pitt gave us the income tax. So what do I know?

  36. Momentum Thugs Organising Cash Reward for Attack on Boris With Milkshakes

    My God, they are stupid. Every attack like that would increase sympathy for Boris, and raise Tory votes. Do they actually think most people support political violence?

  37. Oddly enough I got a call from deltapoll last week, PF. The word I uttered most often was ‘Brexit’.

    Funny thing about the Campbell letter is that it indicates a surprising level of ignorance about me. I don’t mean in the sense of, “what, *the* Edward Lud!”. I mean, it suggests they simply haven’t got a clue about me, or my priorities, and therefore are similarly ignorant about everyone else.

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