This isn’t quite the same thing

Boris Johnson insisted that Britain would not follow any EU rules after Brexit as he set up a showdown with Brussels over a trade deal.

The Prime Minister made clear that he would pursue a hard Brexit by saying there would be “no alignment” between the two sides, defying the EU’s claim that it was a “must” for any future relationship.

Alignment, when translated, means we must do whatever they decide to do. So if they decide that eggs must be packed in dozens then we must pack in dozens. Not following any of their rules would mena if they pack in dozens then we don’t – which is rather stronger than Boris is saying.

22 thoughts on “This isn’t quite the same thing”

  1. I think we need to involve the whole country in a big conversation about the multiples and manners in which eggs may be sold. Here in Euroland State #5 (the proposed name for Germany after brexit), standard sizes are 4, 6, 10, and 12, but many outlets also sell them individually. In Japan you can get pre-boiled eggs (hard and soft). Not even the creme De La creme of the commission has thought about that!

    It’s very important we all freely choose this and think for a long time about this important topic. Perhaps a referendum is in order. It wouldn’t do to leave it to some faceless civil servant, still less a foreign one.

    And remember, after Brexit the UK will finally be free to buy beer in pints not litres, drive on the left not the right, pay in pounds not euros, ban pre-salting of chips from fast food restaurants, and, most importantly, declare war on France.

  2. Standardisation means increased competition and lower prices. If all eggs are sold in boxes of 6, the prices are easy to compare, and there’s healthy competition amongst egg-box manufacturers. If we start having boxes of 3 and 7, then each box manufacturer corners the market in their particular number. In the absence of competition, prices rise.

    Egg boxes may not be the best example, but the principle is sound. Hence why every serious country has national standards bodies (BSI, DIN, ANSI, etc.).

  3. Aha, but as our host has many times complained you can’t under EU rules make a courgette marmelade. Or rather, you can, but you have to call it something else.

    Incidendally, after Brexit, Eurostate #5 can perhaps persuade its masters in La Capitale D.E. (proposed name for Brussels after Brexit) that we should again be allowed to call marmelade Marmelade, rather than Konfitüre. It was, after all, the perfidious Albioners who insisted on 79/693/EC insisting that marmelade (and hence Marmelade) may only be made from citrus fruits. Proving that Britain is going to be quite capable of issuing its own strangulating rules and regs after Brexit.

  4. BiG, all examples very politician of you. Shame that there’s a draft EU directive that states that food has to be priced by weight not the number of items.(EU Regulation No 1169/2011)

    We’d also be free to not tax art sales (ie Artist Resale Right, Directive 2001/84/EC)

    We’d be free to buy hoovers that hoove, kettles that boil water in under a week. (Ecodesign Directive)

    We’d be free to not waste £100bn on HS2. (Bored of looking up links now, https://lmgtfy.com/?q=stupid+eu+directives)

    We’d be free to recycle jam jars should we wish to donate produce to eg the church fete.

    We’d be free to label bottled water to suggest that consumption fights dehydration.

    You’re right about declaring war on france though. It’s nearly 80 years since the last time we sank the french fleet.

  5. Biggie–your attempts at humour show you have lived amongst the Squareheads far too long.

    It has always been obvious that Brexit is only a port of call on a long battling voyage against tyranny and a wannabe globo elite. It maybe a never-ending battle as we can only see off evil sufficient to the day–evil itself will always re-group and have some new pile of shite to fling chimp-style at all our hopes.

    Don’t be a chimp is step one perhaps. And that has some truth as stupidity and mal-programming (possibly via imprints) are the nutrient soil in which the spores of evil grow.

    So come off it. The EU may not have fucked up absolutely everything –so far. But they are working their way around to it as fast as their bureaucratic socialistic incompetence will let them.

  6. We could have fence posts that don’t rot off within five minutes of being erected……..the EU banned the CCA wood treatment that worked, and replaced it with some green liquid that doesn’t. That one decision has undoubtedly cost me thousands of pounds – having to buy more expensive materials that will last longer and replacing fences that fell over far sooner than they should have.

  7. @Jim, admittedly my requirements are on a significantly smaller scale as I’m not a farmer but I cut (the new emasculated) Cuprinol 50/50 with sump oil from my garagiste and it preserves wood very nicely. Of course it’s perhaps environmentally more harmful than creosote but the that’s the second order effects that legislators make such a hash of.

    I remember a similar discussion here a while ago where somebody closer to ag/hort than I am, doubted that the UK would reintroduce chemicals from yesteryear that actually worked like Lindane or copper sulphate. Indeed it looks more and more like Glyphosate is for the chop on the back of politicised campaigning “science”.

    @Andrew M I think that eggs, like people come in different sizes. A cannibal would feel aggrieved if Ocado delivered him half a dozen Long-Baileys when he was expecting six Thornpumpkins.

  8. Bloke in Eurostate #5

    BiW,

    You could be, but you won’t. Politicians just love regulating and banning stuff. You’ll just have a different (if largely overlapping) set of regulations and bans.

    They could start selling eggs by weight, with a price printed on each pack. I can tell you an unintended consequence of that in Eurostate #5 will be that you get old people bringing microbalances in to the shop and weighing out 100s of eggs from all the packs, and repackaging them into the pack with the cheapest price on. All regs have unintended consequences. Which is why I am with all of you on the lampposts and hemp thing, at least with respect to a lot of what our politicians do. I am merely an equal opportunities lamppost and hemp guy and don’t see the need to restrict their application to just one of the many levels of government, regulation, and inspection we are subject to.

  9. You could be, but you won’t. Politicians just love regulating and banning stuff. You’ll just have a different (if largely overlapping) set of regulations and bans.

    BiG, we shall certainly have more chance of controlling our politicians, and reminding them that they do in fact work for us, the more local they are. As many discovered last week.

  10. Bloke in Eurostate #5

    PF,

    Nah, turns out it’s much easier to take over ze Vorld ven ze Untermensch sink you aren’t trying. So we’re going for a more inconspicuous approach this time.

  11. Bloke in Wales: “we shall certainly have more chance of controlling our politicians”

    Good luck with that! Once every 5 years getting an opportunity to cast a vote for a local guy who may then vote for a Prime Minister with immense powers to mess up one’s life hardly seems worthy of being called “control”. Especially since so many people live in “safe seats”, where the chances of throwing the bum out are rather low.

    There are lots of things the Political Class could do to give the people more control: Pay MPs and PMs the National Average wage; Allow recall elections; Prohibit sitting MPs from standing for re-election; Direct popular election of the PM; Replacement of the House of Lords. But the Political Class won’t do any of those things, because they are the Political Class and they are in control.

  12. In my local Morrison’s I can buy boiled eggses in ones. There’s a discount if you can crush some extra ones into a pre-priced container.

  13. @Andrew M December 21, 2019 at 9:40 am

    Standardisation means increased competition and lower prices

    No it does not, it reduces competition and increases prices due to compliance costs; standards are rarely about most efficient fulfilment of desire

    You’re conflating Safety (boiler) standards with Packaging/Display/Quantity standards

    Packaging/Display/Quantity standards should not exist. Allow consumer to buy what they want, Supermarkets already helpfully display £/kg (and price per egg) on label

    @Mr Ecks

    The EU may not have fucked up absolutely everything –so far. But they are working their way around to it as fast as their bureaucratic socialistic incompetence will let them

    +1

    As US Ambassador to EU said “You can’t negotiate with EU, they’re like children. They want to regulate everything and they’re writing regulations for things that don’t even exist yet”

  14. @BiG at 2.11pm

    Pre-packed Eggs are sold by weight. Each “size” has a weight range

    at 8.08pm

    EU now = 4th Reich, EU Empire = 5th Reich

    @jgh

    +1 In my local Morrison’s I can buy boiled eggs* in ones (@deli counter), also local eggs in ones (20p each)

    * Warning: hard boiled eggs may cause diarrhoea in some (as discovered when I bought 20 for 20p one Christmas eve)

  15. Andrew M/Pcar.
    Standards are a way to keep out the competition: propose a standard that just happens to be very like your own product and wrong-foot the competition into having to change theirs. Also keeps out innovators with new products.

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