Well, yes, but societally

There’s a certain truth to this:

More than a third of all pornography watched in New Zealand depicts non-consensual sexual activity, a study by the chief censor has found, in the first report of its kind into the country’s sexual viewing habits.

Censor David Shanks said the findings were important because, increasingly, young people were using the internet as their first and primary tool to learn about sex – and many applied what they had seen to their own sex lives. And while adults usually had the experience to treat porn for what it was – fantasy – younger viewers did not.

He said: “For young people, or people inclined to coercion, the repeated theme of ‘no’ becoming ‘yes’ could very easily be problematic.”

“Often the videos with this content would start with a reluctant partner, usually the female, who starts out saying ‘no’ to sex but whose initial resistance is overcome through insistence and subtle pressure by the male. The actress is then portrayed as enjoying the sexual contact – female pleasure was notable in 99% of the videos,” Shanks said.

Obviously, not the she said no but if she’s raped she’ll enjoy it idea.

But that it’s women who make the choice of sex or not, with whom or not. That it’s men having to do the impressing to get into that bed. That’s pretty much how it does work, yes.

It’s an obvious outcome of the basic biology here, that pig and chicken deciding what to have for breakfast. The chicken’s interested in eggs but the pigs committed to the ham idea. So with human fertility and thus the general difference in the who gets to decide and when.

As usual, the underlying problem here is that the people trying to define these rules don’t seem to have met many humans.

22 thoughts on “Well, yes, but societally”

  1. They must watch some strange pornography in NZ. In all the stuff I watch the women are absolutely gagging for it.

  2. It isn’t actually “non consensual sex”. Pornography producers stopped doing that because they got nervous about US authorities not liking it. There’s some stuff from the 1970s depicting a woman getting raped and then enjoying it, but not after.

    What they mean is the stuff like Bangbus. “oh yeah, I’ll do some topless filming, but no sex, ok”, says the model.

    I mean, grow up. Men have been trying to nudge girls from only 1st base to 2nd and eventually 4th since forever.

  3. Often the videos with this content would start with a reluctant partner, usually the female, who starts out saying ‘no’ to sex but whose initial resistance is overcome through insistence and subtle pressure by the male.

    That is not non-consensual sex.

    If getting sex via ‘insistence and subtle’ pressure is non-consensual, then you might as well claim that flattery is rape.

  4. How long before we see a case like
    ” i didn’t want to have sex, but over several months he bought me presents, dinners, we did a few activities together and we’re dating. I felt pressured. Rape!”

    Western society is doomed. I fear at this point the only thing that will pull us back is a traumatic event.
    Maybe that’s why TPTB keep trying to start wars with Russia and/or China? Trying to save Western society by making it have to fight?

  5. Chernyy_Drakon

    It’s certainly crossed my mind that the powers that be know they’ve fucked up society beyond all recovery and are trying to do the equivalent of burning down the warehouse before the the stock check.

  6. By this logic, GOT is responsible for the increased levels of activity among London’s stabbing community.

  7. female pleasure was notable in 99% of the videos

    LOL at that line! F*cking academics, amiright?

    Hint to the people pretending to study this stuff: if in ALL videos the chick is thoroughly enjoying herself maybe – JUST MAYBE – consider that men really, really enjoy pleasing women, not raping them. Just a thought.

  8. By this logic, GOT is responsible for the increased levels of activity among London’s stabbing community.

    Don’t rule it out. That show’s descent into utter garbage was widely infuriating.

  9. “More than a third of all pornography watched in New Zealand depicts non-consensual sexual activity …”

    Setting aside all the opportunities for humor — How did NZ authorities determine that one third factor?

    Did highly paid NZ college graduates watch all the pornography available in NZ while taking notes? Did NZ authorities do a poll of self-confessed pornography watchers? Does NZ’s “Five Eyes” surveillance equipment allow them to identify and classify every piece of pornography watched by anyone in NZ? Enquiring minds want to know!

  10. Setting aside all the opportunities for humor — How did NZ authorities determine that one third factor?

    Did highly paid NZ college graduates watch all the pornography available in NZ while taking notes? Did NZ authorities do a poll of self-confessed pornography watchers? Does NZ’s “Five Eyes” surveillance equipment allow them to identify and classify every piece of pornography watched by anyone in NZ? Enquiring minds want to know!

    I’ll keep my eyes open for men who look completely drained and wasted away, except for having one arm the size of, post-spinach, Popeye’s

  11. women-pursue-attractive-men

    “But that it’s women who make the choice of sex or not, with whom or not. That it’s men having to do the impressing to get into that bed.”

    Only for unattractive men, women are forward to desperate for sex with attractive men, and for an obvious reason: pregnancy is a big investment, and to make it have the best returns a woman must have the most attractive sons it can, so they spread her genes as much as possible. An average woman who has sex and sons from an average man will have average sons, but an average woman who has sex and sons with a rather more than average attractiveness man will have more than average attractiveness sons, who will reproduce much more than average attractiveness sons. And women know that like father, like son. The other thing that women’s sexual instinct tend to target is caddishness: having sons more attractive than average is lot less valuable if they stay faithful to just one woman, instead of sowing their oats more widely, and again women know that like father like son.

  12. “Often the videos with this content would start with a reluctant partner, usually the female horse, who starts out saying ‘no’ to sex but whose initial resistance is overcome through insistence and subtle pressure by the stallion. The mare is then seen enjoying the sexual contact – female pleasure was notable in 99% of the videos,” Shanks said

    Fixed

    @Chernyy_Drakon

    +1 At heart, all women are prostitutes. If women become the bread winner, men will become the prostitutes.

  13. I understand this to mean that they round up random chicks off the street and tell them they’ll get a chance at a UN ambassadorship or the feminist role model of the year title, but with subtle and insistent pressure the ladies are made to remove some garments, eat some sausage and play squash. There doesn’t seem to be any sort of free market here where an attractive young woman could voluntarily trade her biological and thespian talents for a good amount of cash.

  14. “female pleasure was notable in 99% of the videos”

    And sometimes that’s real. Seriously.

    Who do people think selects to do porn? Sure, the women who do porn are generally hard up and don’t have many options, but there’s lots of women who are hard up, don’t have many options and don’t do porn. They tend to be women who are OK with fucking around. Not too choosy. And generally, the women get *some* choice in their partner. Pick from one of 20-30 guys.

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