Why you shouldn’t vote LabourDecember 10, 2019 Tim WorstallPolitics32 CommentsSquander Two has it. Voting for the left is a matter of whatever, voting for this Labour Party, this one right now, is a moral monstrosity. previousLies work both ways GeorgenextA truly weird change 32 thoughts on “Why you shouldn’t vote Labour” Mr Ecks December 10, 2019 at 10:10 am Don’t vote Labour and don’t split the vote. IF Blojo does try to shaft Brexit we have a FAR better chance to beat him. If Jizz gets his SNP pact he will create 4 million new anti-UK voters and we can’t beat that. Goodbye Brexit AND UK itself. Vote Labour to Hell. Newmania December 10, 2019 at 10:13 am Would you prefer a Brexit Party founded on racist lies or an antisemitic Communist ? Would you rather have sex with a pig or a dog ? Would you rather lose your eye or your arm ? Would you rather snog Dianne Abbot or Tim Worstalls fat hairy arse ? I have option stress … Edward Lud December 10, 2019 at 10:25 am Is this antisemitism business a euphemism for that part of the Muslim bloc-vote which goes to Labour and is undoubtedly antisemitic? In other words, is it a sotto voce recognition that Labour is in thrall to the Islamists, or is it far wider than that? MC December 10, 2019 at 10:39 am M’lud – there’s 2 strands of Labour anti-semitism: the hard-left nutjobs and the Muslims (not just the Islamists). The 2 joined forces over Palestine and get along quite fine. Apparently their shared hatreds matter more than their differences. I also suspect a lot of Labour activists don’t really care about Jews but are happy to pander to Muslim anti-semitism because to criticise would be to lose votes. And thanks to widespread electoral fraud, the Muslim block vote for Labour is extremely valuable. Mr Ecks December 10, 2019 at 10:57 am You have the self-imposed stress of trying to think when you are not capable of it Facepainter. What I would like is to attend your Newgate-style gargle-for-45-minutes hanging. And then be the lucky raffle winner who gets to use you as a human heavy bag while you gargle. Well it IS Christmas. Thanks to “Things to do in Denver while you are dead” film for the idea. Mr Ecks December 10, 2019 at 11:02 am “Apparently their shared hatreds matter more than their differences.” For now MC. For now. Bernie G. December 10, 2019 at 11:04 am I used to listen to Jonathan Sacks on programmes such as ‘Thought for the day’ many years ago. Am subject to misremembering on an epic scale, but am sure that one of the stories reflected on his family/community’s experience back in the 1930s, when, after living for some 300 or so years quite happily (somewhere in Eastern Europe), their ‘friends’ and neighbours woke one morning and turned on them. You can understand the paranoia. While Corbynite antisemitism should disqualify anyone from voting Labour, I suspect the party has conducted internal polling and focus groups, and discovered it isn’t an issue on the doorstep. Edward Lud December 10, 2019 at 11:05 am Thanks, MC. Squander makes the point that these voters aren’t going away, whether or not Corbyn wins. And he’s right. This, then, is the whirlwind us immigration and demography bores have been going on about. Thus, does it matter whether Corbyn wins or loses? David Moore December 10, 2019 at 11:07 am Not living in the UK, a perverse part of me would quite enjoy, popcorn in hand, seeing Jezz run the place to hell. Sadly, I imagine he and his supporters would just blame every one of the million failures on the Americans. However, I quite like a lot of British people, so I really don’t want to wish it on them. Chris Miller December 10, 2019 at 11:09 am If Jizz gets his SNP pact he will create 4 million new anti-UK voters and we can’t beat that. And will conveniently ignore the constituency gerrymandering that went on under Bliar and Broon. Sorting that out must be near the top of the agenda (once they’ve got Brexit done) for any Tory majority government (if anyone needs another reason to despise the LimpDumbs, their blocking of this much needed reform under Cameron should be added to their list). jgh December 10, 2019 at 11:15 am I was tempted to vote Labour to give people a good hard taste of Socialism, but Labour wants to extend the franchise to children and non-citizens, so once they get in they’ve got 7 billion votes on their side, we’d never get them out. MC December 10, 2019 at 11:32 am does it matter whether Corbyn wins or loses? Hell yeah. But we’re still up to our necks in it. Setting aside Muslims and leftoids, it seems to me that a sizeable minority of the British population has gone quite mad. They are entirely ruled by emotion, care more about virtue-signalling than virtue, are totally selfish and prone to hysterical outbursts. I reckon that if you parachuted them, Life on Mars-style, into the world of 40-50 years ago, they’d end up sectioned. Britain is only going to have more trouble with the more troublesome elements of its Muslim population in the future. Every nation with a substantial Muslim minority is troubled by that minority and mo’ muzzas, mo’ problems. I’d like to think we are close to peak shriek when it comes to the left, but God knows. Henry Crun December 10, 2019 at 11:54 am a sizeable minority of the British population has gone quite mad. They are entirely ruled by emotion, care more about virtue-signalling than virtue, are totally selfish and prone to hysterical outbursts. cf. Violet Elizabeth Newmania. Bloke in Germany December 10, 2019 at 12:13 pm Ecks, Thanks for reminding me about that great film. The only one I ever took two girlfriends (consecutively, that is, not in the Tim Newman sense) to. Bloke on M4 December 10, 2019 at 12:17 pm Bernie G, “I used to listen to Jonathan Sacks on programmes such as ‘Thought for the day’ many years ago. Am subject to misremembering on an epic scale, but am sure that one of the stories reflected on his family/community’s experience back in the 1930s, when, after living for some 300 or so years quite happily (somewhere in Eastern Europe), their ‘friends’ and neighbours woke one morning and turned on them.” Almost no-one goes against the bullies. If it’s helping neighbours at the risk of nazi torture, they’ll side with the nazis. It’s why I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for the women raped by the Red Army in Berlin. They didn’t do a damn thing to stop what was going on. They put their head down, got on with their lives and many of them looked forward to the benefits of Lebensraum, as some poor Slav worked as a serf to give them a better life. Steve December 10, 2019 at 12:30 pm MC – Yarp. NB also, most Muslims aren’t jihadiwaddis, but polls (and experience) keep telling us that a very high percentage of them at least tacitly support the idea of jihaddiwadism. Which explains how easily these guys can recruit others to their cause – little chance of being dobbed in by the brothers. S2 says: Labour will never abandon antisemitism if it wins votes Well, sure. Unfortunately – they’re going to win those votes as M’Lud says. The votes of a bloc that doubles in size every ten years. So when S2 also points out: That is both incredible praise for the Britain that was — what other country’s Chief Rabbi doesn’t need to know anything about antisemitism? It’s a shame more Jews didn’t appreciate the Britain that was, instead of openly (sometimes fanatically) supporting the mass immigration of predatory foreigners at above-replacement rates. For example, has Lord Sacks ever retracted or apologised for this: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/06/refugee-crisis-jonathan-sacks-humanitarian-generosity A lot of Jewish opinionising on migration is based on this sort of ethnic solipsism, where every year is 1933. (Except in Israel, which for mysterious reasons doesn’t take advantage of what Sacks calls the “unique opportunity” of Muslim “refugees” even though Syria is literally next door) But as we know, and as he should have known, hordes of iPhone-toting young Arab men looking for handouts and fiki fiki with German women =/= Anne Frank. NDReader December 10, 2019 at 2:15 pm “Almost no-one goes against the bullies.” … “It’s why I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for ” I’m not sure that people should be harshly judged by standards that very few can live up to. Especially if it extends to marking everyone down for vicious retribution because most real people just aren’t up to the mark. Better to judge people by realistic standards, when it becomes clear that some are better, and some are worse. Oh, yes; And judge people as individuals not as part of an identity. Bloke on M4 December 10, 2019 at 3:08 pm “I’m not sure that people should be harshly judged by standards that very few can live up to.” I’m going to judge the women of Germany harshly. I’m not even saying they had to suicide bomb a military base. Just not fucking SS men would have been a start. If the women of Germany had treated SS men as lepers rather than marrying them, the SS would not have existed. The incentives to be an SS man would have evaporated. Bernie G. December 10, 2019 at 3:34 pm There was a time we judged people as individuals. But then ‘identity politics’ happened and we were subsumed into rival ethnic/tribal groups. Jonathan December 10, 2019 at 3:38 pm “ I miss the Britain I grew up in. That society, one in which Jews were welcome, is gone and I don’t believe it is salvageable. It is impossible to exaggerate my sense of loss. The Jews are no longer welcome in this country.” Very sad but it’s not Jews being butchered on the streets of England; it’s English people. It’s not Jewish girls being raped in their thousands every year by Muslim rape gangs; it’s English girls. Jews can always flee to Israel. Where will the English flee to? Interested December 10, 2019 at 3:39 pm @Steve ‘Well, sure. Unfortunately – they’re going to win those votes as M’Lud says. The votes of a bloc that doubles in size every ten years.’ It is an increasing bloc, but it is restricted to a very limited number of parliamentary seats. The key thing, above all else, is to win this election and bring in the boundary changes that have gone against the Tories since forever. That will make it harder still for Labour to come back. If we end up having to say goodbye to Scotland I’d accept that too as a price to pay for the representation of the actual English conservative majority by politicians who think as we do. @Newmania There is a great deal of difference between Boris’s observation that burqas look a bit like letterboxes but women should be free to wear them if they’re daft enough, and Corbyn’s failure to expel from the Labour Party members who say openly at conference breakfast tables things like ‘We should gas all the Jews’ and ‘Hitler was right’. If knowing these two things leaves you in a quandary as to where to place your vote we know what you are. Interested December 10, 2019 at 3:40 pm @Jonathan ‘Jews can always flee to Israel. Where will the English flee to?’ The English won’t flee. RichardT December 10, 2019 at 3:42 pm MC said: “it seems to me that a sizeable minority of the British population has gone quite mad. They are entirely ruled by emotion, care more about virtue-signalling than virtue, are totally selfish and prone to hysterical outbursts. I reckon that if you parachuted them, Life on Mars-style, into the world of 40-50 years ago, they’d end up sectioned.” Yup. Edward Lud December 10, 2019 at 5:21 pm So, um, we’re not really talking about a problem among mangy, blue-haired soap-dodgers from Stokey, are we? Labour’s anti-semitism problem is not that. What we’re really talking about is, as long predicted, the subordination of a major political party to a racial/religious/cultural ‘minority’ voting bloc. George Galloway was slow on the uptake, but he was a Bismarckian genius next to his peers. And what we ought to be talking about is not ‘Labour anti-semitism’, but a ******* gigantic immigration problem. It’s the intellectual sleight-of-hand that’s the disgusting cherry on the cake. Edward Lud December 10, 2019 at 5:43 pm “Very sad but it’s not Jews being butchered on the streets of England; it’s English people. It’s not Jewish girls being raped in their thousands every year by Muslim rape gangs; it’s English girls.” Indeed. I mean, look, I know and work with a number of Jewish chaps. Some of whom I esteem. Perhaps, even, many. I’ve lived in the heart of one of England’s main Jewish enclaves for at least 20 years. I live alongside Jewish chaps, and have done so for a long time. They haven’t stabbed me, I haven’t stabbed them. But why is mass vibrancy of a certain dusky hue suddenly an existential problem when they’re the ones threatened? It is bizarre. I often drive past synagogues and Jewish schools with security guards outside them. Those guards are not there to protect the Jewish chaps from people like me. Afua Hirsch, what have you, and your fellow travellers, to say for yourselves? Jim December 10, 2019 at 7:06 pm “Setting aside Muslims and leftoids, it seems to me that a sizeable minority of the British population has gone quite mad. They are entirely ruled by emotion, care more about virtue-signalling than virtue, are totally selfish and prone to hysterical outbursts.” My theory is that 40+ years of child centred child rearing has resulted in significant numbers of the population attaining adulthood without ever having left their childhood behind. All the behaviours and character traits you list are those of children, not adults. Jim December 10, 2019 at 7:17 pm “Well, sure. Unfortunately – they’re going to win those votes as M’Lud says. The votes of a bloc that doubles in size every ten years.” Well yes and no. I won’t argue with the demographics, thats a plain as a pike staff. But fortunately the RoPers tend to stick together, which in a FPTP electoral system does not translate into power. Its no good Labour racking up majorities in the tens of thousands, getting 80% of the vote in a limited number of inner city areas, and nothing everywhere else. If this comes down to a ‘RoPers vs everyone else’ type scenario, everyone else is a lot more spread out than they are. Pcar December 10, 2019 at 9:05 pm Don’t be complacent and not bother voting The more the Tories seem to be on course for a majority, the more the apparent likelihood of PM Corbyn recedes; therefore, the more freedom that gives Remainer-Tories or reluctant-Tories in the South who approve of neither EU exit nor Boris Johnson as party leader to vent their anger and alienation at the prospect of both by deciding not to vote Tory and transferring their vote elsewhere. However, the hash that Swinson has made of the LibDem leadership and the party’s election campaign, leading to a Remainer-Labour polling bounce, means that Remainers and anti-Tories of all stripes who saw the LibDems as the best means of halting or cancelling Brexit may now write them off as the preferred anti-Brexit option, hold their noses and register their anti-Brexit vote in the Labour box instead. Corbyn is of course highly unpopular: but many of his policies like nationalisation, taxing ‘the rich’ or even expropriating the wealthy’s assets aren’t, however misconceived in concept and disastrous in practice they are. So is this the paradox with which we could perversely end up? That, the greater the Tories’ reported polling lead, the greater the collateral risk that anti-Tory votes could migrate away from LibDems to Labour? Thus reducing the Tories to the status of largest party but without a majority, and getting Labour close enough on seats to form a minority administration if it had LibDem and/or SNP support? . Immigration As a Christian pastor, I have long been grieved to see how the churches have generally sided with the cultural Marxists on this issue, despite the Biblical warnings not to conform to the fashions of a God-rejecting world +1 to both Stonyground December 10, 2019 at 9:07 pm Mr. Newmania equates concern about immigration to xenophobia. More thoughtful people understand that there are people who will benefit your country by coming to live in it and there are others who will cause problems. It is surely sensible to do our best to assess any potential immigrants and at least attempt to ensure that they will mostly be the former. Pcar December 10, 2019 at 9:14 pm Warning: May cause nightmares Dominic Sandbrook imagines the fallout of Labour’s first weeks in power Jim December 10, 2019 at 11:52 pm My feeling, for what its worth, and it may be nothing come Friday, is that last time everyone believed the polls and were blindsided, and as a result no one is believing the polls this time, and they’ll be blindsided again………………. Mark T December 11, 2019 at 7:03 am In ‘The Strange Death of Europe’, Douglas Murray points out that one of the chief architects of Nu Labour’s otherwise cynical exercise in unrestricted immigration was Barbara Roche, who acknowledged that coming from a family of immigrant Jews, she felt more comfortable making Britain much more multicultural and diverse. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.