Yep, they’re starting already

When Boris Johnson says he has a clear mandate for BREXIT, he should perform a little arithmetic with the votes cast in the general election.

The total votes cast for anti-Brexit parties and Labour’s soft deal and second referendum comes to : 16,698,075 votes: roughly 55%.

And the total votes for the Conservatives, Brexit Party and DUP comes to 14,846,998: 45%. I ignored the Independents and Others whose total of votes is insignificant.

So Boris doesn’t have clear support for BREXIT, in fact the majority is for REMAIN or at least a soft BREXIT and a second referendum. The majority is significantly larger than the referendum now it is 55 to 45, in contrast to 48 t0 52.

Sigh.

70 thoughts on “Yep, they’re starting already”

  1. And let’s not forget that the moon is In the second half and Jupiter is aligned with Mars. This is terribly significant as we all know.

  2. I can remember this kind of nonsense being trotted out back in the Thatcher era. The remainers don’t have a case at all though. The referendum was a straightforward binary question and their side got fewer votes than leave did. They can try and claim that all those who didn’t vote wanted to remain really but that is easy to refute by anyone with a couple of working brain cells. The choice was clear on the referendum ballot paper, there wasn’t a box for just pretend to leave or one for leave but if leave wins keep voting until remain wins.

  3. It amused me that the potato was unable to sleep before the election. I hope his insomnia continues for the next 5 years at least

  4. Not caring at this point about fucking remoaners. They had the opportunity to accept the result with grace and move forward. Instead, they went to war on the public. No mercy.

  5. Exactly, Stonyground. Boris doesn’t need a mandate, he has a referendum.

    In fact, if Boris says he has a clear mandate for Brexit, it is a CHARACTER FLAW. It reveals he wasn’t going forward. He wasn’t going to without a ‘mandate.’ Should he actually execute Brexit, and he really said this, this dilutes his courage in doing so. Action with a mandate is not courage.

  6. Whenever I shiver at the reality of having Bonking Boris as PM I think of the alternatives – the sort of cvnts who would get the support of cvnts like Murph, the sort of cvnts who think a dash of anti-semitism adds a fine flavour to a dish, who think that cavorting with the IRA and laying wreaths for the murderers of the Olympic athletes at Munich were just fine. The sort of cvnts who view Communism as the way forward; they’d all be the better of a hanging.

  7. When 80% of the electorate voted for parties with brexit manifestos in 2017, I don’t recall these sums being relied up on or even considered.

  8. He now knows he’s going to be booted into irrelevance for the next 5 years at least, if not beyond. Nobody with any influence will give a monkeys what this charlatan thinks. His snake oil game is up.

    Even if Labour gets in power in later years, it will only be after major reform, where he will be regarded as old guard.

  9. Actually, bigots, I think you’ll find that if we count the number of #notmyprimeminister hashtags on Twitter, and the 137 million people who signed that “Bollocks To Brexit” online petition, the Tories lost :-/

  10. Using the Remainiacs formulation, we can add all those who didn’t vote to the Conservative figures because they were obviously happy with the status quo……

  11. Breitbart:

    ‘Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said that if exit polls are correct and the Conservatives are returned to power with a strong majority, then the new government will have “the chance to respect the democratic will of the British people”.’

    He wasn’t going to?

    ‘Whilst still dealing with projections and not wanting to “tempt fate”, Prime Minister Johnson said with optimism: “This one-nation Conservative government has been given a powerful new mandate to get Brexit done.’

    Gentleman, Johnson is no Trump. He is a weasel*.

    Adding in his stance on Climate Change™, it is obvious he has no more character than Treason May.

    *But at least he is a Conservative weasel.

  12. And there was me thinking only someone extremely stupid would use the total votes cast argument….
    You got to admit.. In his own special way the Spud always delivers…

  13. @Adrian – you might be wrong about that – the potato fell out with Mcdonnell and an old marxist/maoist never forgets or forgives. Mcdonnell resigned from the cabinet this morning. No doubt the replacement will be another low iq person who ticks the right identity buttons but knows fuck all about fuck all. The potatoes promise of free money from the magic money tree will sound mighty attractive to that person. So the potato may yet stage a comeback.

  14. And yet the SNP’s 45% of votes in Scotland is a clear mandate to ignore the 2014 referendum when coincidentally the defeated pro-independence side received the same 45%.

    Maybe 45% is the new 51%?

  15. He certainly has the power to get Brexit done. I supposed you could make an argument that mandate and power are not necessarily synonymous, but it seems to be splitting hairs.

  16. What baffles me (not; she lies when her lips move, to re-coin a phrase) is that the SNP’s 48 seats, supposedly a landslide which confers the right to a referendum, is worse than they did in 2015. Still, it’s fun watching Labour supporters conclude that the central problem in British politics is ‘What must the electorate do to deserve the Labour Party?’

  17. @stonyground “They can try and claim that all those who didn’t vote wanted to remain really…”.

    Well yes, they do but (and this isn’t an original thought of mine) it could also be said that those who didn’t vote are so not bothered they’d just go along with the majority (thus something like 65% (can’t be bothered to do the exact maths) are comfortable with the result).

  18. Awaiting the forthcoming round of lawfare, I am reminded of my Bismarck: the great questions of the day will be decided by blood and iron.

    In the meantime, here’s hoping Gina Miller is once more being physically sick. OTOH, if we’ve got BRINO, she’s probably tickling herself.

  19. It is factually correct that the Tories won a large majority in Parliament with only a minority of the total vote — a consequence of the First-Past-The-Post electoral system when there are more than 2 parties running. It is also factually correct that total votes for Tories increased only marginally since Mrs. May’s 2017 debacle, while total votes for Labour dropped by a whacking 2.6 million!

    The clear conclusion is that this election result was primarily driven by Labour drifting too far to the Left and being led by a rather unattractive individual.

    Anyway, there is no need for Mr. Murphy to get too upset. Boris is fully committed to throwing more money at the NHS and giving priority to forcing the UK to go carbon neutral. And his BRINO will leave the UK as effectively a non-voting junior member of the EU. Mr. Murphy should be happy with this election result!

  20. I thought the Ken Loach interview by Emily Maitlis was magnificent. The Labour leader had been wonderful, the manifesto was just what a desperate country was longing for, so it should have been a Labour landslide, but the whole media, especially the BBC and the newspapers were so right wing and vicious in their hounding of Jeremy that the proles were sent out of their tiny minds. I think he might have implicated the sadistic fairies at the bottom of Jeremys garden, but perhaps I imagined that bit. Any road up, there were no lessons to be learned by anyone in the Labour Party, the public would just have to re-educate itself in 5 years time and learn which is the right way to vote.

  21. Bloke in North Dorset

    When Boris Johnson says he has a clear mandate for BREXIT, he should perform a little arithmetic with the votes cast in the general election.

    The fat twat would have been creaming himself if Swinson had won the election on a 35% vote share and claimed that gave her a mandate to Revoke A50.

    We’ve never, ever, said a PM doesn’t have a mandate because they didn’t get 50% + 1 of the general vote. This is the same level of ignorance as all those who claimed Hilary won in the USA because she got most votes – if it was a straight vote count Trump would have campaigned differently.

    Talking of mandates, this is where Boris is going to struggle. By having a policy-light manifesto the Lords can challenge him at every step, with the exception of his withdrawal bill. He really should have included selling the NHS to Trump and his mates in the manifesto.

    In the meantime, here’s hoping Gina Miller is once more being physically sick. OTOH, if we’ve got BRINO, she’s probably tickling herself.

    As I’ve said before, we should raise a glass of cheer to Gina, without her sterling efforts there wouldn’t have been a parliamentary vote and we’d have been stuck with May’s backstop.

  22. Presumably the House of Lords is gonna be reformed.

    And the Supreme Court. Not least its silly name should be changed and it should be moved from London to Workington. It should have its self-assigned powers to interfere in elective politics removed.

    Bercow should be impeached (in this civilised land one can impeach someone after they’ve left office) and then tried and publicly humiliated. Maybe they could remove his pension?

  23. “So Boris doesn’t have clear support for BREXIT”

    He does, however, have the power, which is all we care about after three and a half years of being patronised and buggered about.

  24. Good to see Jo Swinson doubling down in her speech and blaming rising racism, the fact that she and her party suffered because 50%+ of the voters don’t take kindly to being called stupid and racist for the last 3 years totally escaping her

  25. Grist, I do love the film Kes, what a masterpiece, I am especially fond of the headmaster caning part, that film is the only good thing about Loach. I seem to have watched it 1st February 1973 the first time, according to my records. It is a feelgood movie to me.

  26. In fact, when I watching Kes in 1973 as a young lad, I dreamed of escaping the grim eastern europe, swopping it for the grim north of england…and now I have fulfilled that dream, I actually live here! Sometimes dreams just come true.

  27. @ BniC
    To Jo Swinson, the SNP is a racist party. Glaswegians don’t fall for the cockrot that it is impossible to have anti-English racism (after all, they practise it).

  28. Dennis, Watford's Next Manager

    Good to see Jo Swinson doubling down in her speech and blaming rising racism, the fact that she and her party suffered because 50%+ of the voters don’t take kindly to being called stupid and racist for the last 3 years totally escaping her.

    It’s good to see that the likes of Swinson is going down the same path as much of the Democratic Party. Over here it is now to the point where Democrats are calling other Democrats racists. And no doubt they will all be shocked at where it gets them in the election next year.

  29. I’ve heard that Krankie tweeted “it’s not about independence” prior to the glorious 12th. Can anyone on twatface verify that?

  30. Dennis, Standing for Parliament in Dunny-on-the-Wold

    From Richard Murphy:

    What matters now is developing a pragmatic politics of compassionate concern

    At the top of his list of pragmatic public political policy that demonstrates comprehensive compassionate concern is taking away everyone’s central heating and cars while taxing the living shit out of them.

    What’s funnier is the fact that Murphy has declared that Corbyn lost because his policies were out of touch with reality…

  31. Bloke in Costa Rica

    What the stupid fat tuber doesn’t grasp is this was a second referendum, and he and his Quisling mates got shafted.

    I think Boris Johnson’s malleability represents an opportunity. The Corbynite wing of Labour is so wedded to ideological fidelity that it’s never going to win an election. Johnson’s will to power means that he might well satisfy Milton Friedman’s dictum that the best way to get what you want is to make it politically profitable for him to come to heel.

  32. Tangentially,
    I was listening to LBC last night. The subject of the programme was exclusively callers & the presenter mourning the outcome of the election & discussing the plight of the Labour party. Except for the woman, phoned in, spoke about riots in Central London against the election result. The presenter pooh-poohed her report. “Ïf there were riots, it would have been covered on the media, wouldn’t it?” “There’s video on YouTube” she replied. ““Oh, YouTube” he sneered & cut her off.
    I followed a link on the bloke-in-a-frock thread to the Metro.co.uk site, today. And there was video from yesterday evening showing demonstrators in Westminster challenging police with drawn batons & angrily clashing with Brexiteers celebrating the election result. This had been occurring less than a mile from the LBC studio. You could almost have opened a window & seen it. There’s no way the LBC news team wouldn’t have been aware of it. But it wasn’t convenient to the narrative the LBC presenter was running with, so it wasn’t happening. Nor was it being covered on the news breaks.
    The butthurt being expressed by some portions of the media is exquisite, isn’t it? Like Capt Potato, they seem to be totally incapable of understanding that the Labour party & it’s supporters are a relatively minor fraction of the population. The election result has largely marginalised it. No-one else is much interested or feels their pain.

  33. Blokeinspain, who was this LBC presenter? The cunt commie ones are usually after Ferrari and before Tom Swarbrick.

  34. Grist,

    “I thought the Ken Loach interview by Emily Maitlis was magnificent. The Labour leader had been wonderful, the manifesto was just what a desperate country was longing for, so it should have been a Labour landslide, but the whole media, especially the BBC and the newspapers were so right wing and vicious in their hounding of Jeremy that the proles were sent out of their tiny minds.”

    The problem is that people like Loach don’t really know the working people of this country. The hard left, in general, is a bubble. The Guardian, Islngton people, various universities, various sections of government. Loach might go to a film thing and meet some working class people, but they’re the Marxist working class people.

    The New Labour ran focus groups around socialism and worker solidarity 25 years ago and learnt that no-one gave a toss. And anyone canvassing in the less well-off parts of places outside of The People’s Republics of Islington and Stokes Croft will learn this.

    I mean, this has been up there for fucking years. My mate is a councillor in such an area and it used to be pretty marginal but since Corbyn took over, they’ve been raising their majorities.

  35. Bloke in North Dorset

    Judging by my Twitter feed it won’t be long until we get the first sighting of “It wasn’t true Corbynism, Corbynism has never been tried”.

  36. @Jussi
    Fuck knows. Apart from Ferrari I think it’s all James O’Brian putting on different voices. There was another character on earlier this evening. Apparently everyone in London is a butthurt Remainer Labourite, judging by the incoming calls aired.
    Funny enough, I met Ferrari years ago. His father was a competitor but also a pal of a mate of mine. Ferrari’s probably one of the few actual journalists remaining in the media. My pal started his journalistic life as tea-boy on one or the provincials. He & Ferrari Snr go back to when newspaper men were proper reporters not polemicists & both have sons carrying on the family trade.

  37. I started to listen to LBC radio when I had this small hobby brewery and was making deliveries in West Sussex and Surrey. Good presenters there are Ferrari, Swarbrick, Ian Payne, I love the property guru know all legal chap, Ian Collins was good but he had enough. 10am I switch to TalkRadio and Mike Graham.

  38. @BniC December 14, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    Swinson doubling down blamed the voters, said they didn’t understand the issues. Where have I heard that before?

    Left in Denial on QT and blaming voters for not knowing what’s best for them

    Question Time from Wandsworth | Election Special 13 December 2019
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV6Sqv4Xhvw

    I thought, naively, that the BBC and Fiona would have realised that yesterday’s vote has changed the political map. Keep on treating Tories like shit, belittling anything they say and interrupting good replies will just mean the Tories will see this more and more as irrelevant and stop coming. The programme is bad enough now, it would be unsustainable if that were to be the way forward.

    Audience picked from a meeting of Momentum?

  39. The more I think about this election,the more I think that Swinson and Sturgeon should go down on their knees and thank God for the sensibility of the English voters.

    Had their dreams come true they could have spent their dotage being hounded as the fascist bitches from Scotland who put the minority antisemites into power in England.

  40. @bis December 14, 2019 at 8:38 pm

    BBC etc have history of not (or a one line report as on C4 news) reporting Left riots – bias by omission

    Ferrari – I rate him as an Andrew Neil protege

    Boris Derangement Syndrome in full swing

    Corbyn’s “Kinder, Gentler” Democratic politics – aka Mob Rule

    Protesters clash with police after Boris Johnson elected
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/12/14/exclusive-video-this-is-what-democracy-looks-like-mob-chants-during-violent-clashes-with-police-over-losing-election/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn_sdhIvpSE
    youtube.com/watch?v=PMVptDrBs3A

    If Corbyn had won pogroms would have already started

  41. “It’s good to see that the likes of Swinson is going down the same path as much of the Democratic Party.”

    Dennis, I’m getting an itch to file a federal lawsuit to get an injunction against the Democratic Party from using the name Democratic Party. There is nothing democratic about them; they HATE democracy.

  42. Mr in Spain, thanks for the British Dude explanation.

    On this thread: minorities create, drive and lead revolutions. Minorities are not to be underestimated.

  43. Pcar – they’ll learn absolutely nothing from this.

    Like with any totalising system, the metanarrative playing out between their ears is a very effective prophylactic against any fertile thoughts that might lead them astray from Revealed Truth.

    Twitter isn’t Britain, but it is a very enlightening insight into the monsters raging and ravening in the collective id of modern leftydom. Predictably, they’re doubling and tripling down on calling everyone thick-as-pigshit racists, pretending The Tories are literally killing the disabled and tramps and gays and whatnot, and LARPing as the brave, courageous, extremely-online Reee-sistance heroically flaunting their cool new genders under a fascist regime.

    That joke isn’t funny anymore though. There are too many non-functioning chronological adults who literally can’t even. It was amusing when it was just a tiny bunch of Art School ponces, but not now.

    Progressivism is basically a kinder, gentler death cult in the truest possible sense of the term, and it needs a good dose of persecution to root it out. I’m not saying we need an Albigensian Crusade 2.0, but it’s not the worst idea I’ve ever lazily come up with.

    Either that or burn down the universities, salt the earth, and crucify every shemagh-scarfed hipster wanker we can catch (don’t worry – they won’t get far in them skinny jeans).

    Either or.

  44. The SNP has won 80% of the Scottish seats with 45% of the vote. But I bet that doesn’t stop him sucking up to them either.

  45. @ BniC it is a concern… The bloke should be a self-assesed F->M “transgender” who poses for the Token Male in the line-up in that article….. 😉

  46. Albigensian Crusade 2.0

    In a rational world people would be asking hard questions about the education system that indoctrinated these cultural jihadis, but that’s just another thing we’re not supposed to talk about.

  47. Richard T, imagine facing any of those intellectual titans across the dispatch box?

    If that’s the best Labour have to offer, they are well and truly fucked.

    PS, anyone know the whereabouts of Newmania? I’m not concerned about his well-being, I just want to point and laugh.

  48. Oh, please can they select Emily Thornberry!

    I think it might be time for another £3 Labour party membership

  49. Will no one rid me of this turbulent woman?

    Who remembers the days when her and all the other Ultras were demanding that Parliament was supreme? Now, crickets.

  50. Gamecock said:
    “BBC speculating on next Labour leader – http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50781341 – Why do they all look like Guardian columnists?”

    Oh, I didn’t think that. Looking at the picture and numbering from the left (appropriately), to me they look like:
    – 1 & 4, local government office workers. 1 is the more junior, fairly useless but looks like she’s quite fun and gets squiffy on prosecco with her colleagues on a Thursday evening; 4 looks more the sort who objects to your pronouns and makes work for everyone else by insisting on changing all the terminology.
    – 2 also looks local government, but higher up; perhaps deputy director of the county education authority? If so, he’d have run a successful dirty-tricks campaign to prevent a popular grassroot parent campaign turning one of ‘his’ schools into an academy, or something like that.
    – 3 looks like a quango Chair – not very bright but extremely patronising – wealthy husband – still likes the money from her quango position, but mostly does it to feel important.
    – 5 looks like trouble. Divorce lawyer? Whatever she is, keep as far away from her as possible and try not to get involved.

    (that’s just what I think from looking at the pictures; I only actually know who 2 and 3 are, and for Starmer the impression I get from the picture isn’t quite what he is; Thornberry however seems to look like her character)

  51. Richard T

    “Looking at the picture” – You nailed it.

    BiW

    Is it £25 now? It might still be worth it – remember to put Vlad (or maybe better Volga) on the form. Just for the post mortem audit.

    Crun

    “Newmania” – He’s possibly going through a period of reflection?

  52. Bloke in North Dorset

    Who remembers the days when her and all the other Ultras were demanding that Parliament was supreme? Now, crickets.

    Damned good point, Rob. I shall add it to my list rebuffs.

  53. If that’s the best Labour have to offer, they are well and truly fucked.

    It is, and they are. I’m quite concerned that we will have 5 years of parliament with no serious opposition. Good governments need good opposition, otherwise they get fat and lazy and start to believe their own propaganda (which is what did for Thatcher in the end).

    Whatever Labour do, the result will be decided by Momentum, and they will just end up with Jezza mk2 (possibly with even less intelligence and charisma, looking at the current prospects). So any realistic Labour MPs will need to form a new party with more sensible rules about leadership elections. Maybe they could merge with the LibDems. But is there a single MP outside the Tories (and maybe the SNP) who could look like a PM-in-waiting? I can’t see one.

  54. @chris Miller
    The beauty of the ‘new party’idea is that all the TIGs and floor-crossers lost their seats.
    The last thing the moderate labour MPs will want to do, is form a new party.
    So they are stuck with that shower of incompetents as leaders.

  55. @chris Miller
    “otherwise they get fat and lazy and start to believe their own propaganda”
    True. A problem with a big majority is that a lot of not very good candidates in unlikely-to-win-but-give-then-a-try seats will get elected. After a year or two there will be a succession of incompetents coming to light, if there is no effective opposition they will get re-elected in 2024 and start to over-estimate their importance.

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