Fair enough Mr. Farron

The conclusion: nothing is certain, and there must be a future path back to a non-Tory government. This will involve luck, but also a decent amount of design.

Two main obstacles block that path.

First: the “Scottish problem”. The last Labour government held 41 Scottish seats; today the party has one. The SNP’s rise has helped the Tories in two ways. Tory opposition to independence detoxifies them for “unionists”; and more importantly, the SNP’s strength in Scotland blocks a UK Labour majority. The Tory trump card is that the only alternative to a Conservative majority is a ragtag Labour-led coalition, with the nationalist tail wagging the dog and demanding the dismantling of the UK.

And why should the English be ruled by the Scots?

Independence now therefore.

16 comments on “Fair enough Mr. Farron

  1. If Boris is cunning he’ll set up an English Parliament somewhere is his New Territories oop North.

    The British Parliament can sit at Berwick-upon-Tweed, with the renamed Supreme Court sitting in Workington.

    The present Houses of Parliament can be sold to Disney so that we can all file in and fire paintballs at an animatronic Bercow while explaining to the kiddy-winkies that the word “berk” is just an abbreviation of his name.

  2. The whole “Scotland didn’t vote for Brexit” whining has shown that many Scots Nats seem to think they should have a veto over UK affairs, despite having a population significantly less than that of London… And having resoundingly voted to remain in the UK not long ago. It’s certainly an unendearing conceit they have there.

    If Boris were brutal and cunning, he’d give them their damn 2nd referendum downstream of Brexit, thereby settling the question finally one way or the other. And if they vote to leave, it will render it almost impossible for the Tories to lose a Westminster election.

  3. If the Scots Nats wanted independence, they’d take it. Like every serious nationalist movement since 1989.

    Good grief, Culloden was 300 years ago and we’ve no appetite for more of that.

    Ergo, the Scots Nats are mere shakedown artists.

  4. “despite having a population significantly less than that of London” Probably more Britons in Scotland than in London, though perhaps not if you subtract the Oirish.

  5. abacab, yes. Independence is purest power politics. If you’re squealing for the colonial oppressor to give you a vote on leaving, then you’re not in the business of being serious – at least, not about independence.

  6. Independence widnae make much difference to that i’d wager. .
    Tony Blair
    Gordon Brown
    David Cameron

  7. “If Boris were brutal and cunning, he’d give them their damn 2nd referendum downstream of Brexit, thereby settling the question finally one way or the other. And if they vote to leave, it will render it almost impossible for the Tories to lose a Westminster election.”

    This. I hope Boris is waiting til we’re properly out, Scotland and all, then in 2021 when there is an election for the Scottish Parliament he can then magnanimously offer a referendum if the SNP sweep the board. The SNP will then sh*t themselves because the last thing they want is a referendum, as any old idiot can see they’ll lose it. There’s far too many questions to be answered that don’t have voter friendly answers. Namely an independent Scotland would be stony broke, the currency issue is even harder now the UK is out of the EU, Brexit means a choice between wanting to be in the EU and having a hard border at Carlisle, or being in a customs union with the rUK, but not being in the EU, and being a sort of semi-detached rUK colony. And the SNP have no answer to any of these questions. So the vote would be even further in favour of stay in the Union than it was last time.

  8. If Boris was really cunning he’d posit a sort of Barnet Formula for the North of England. Or better still, divvy up the existing funds.

  9. Good grief, Culloden was 300 years ago and we’ve no appetite for more of that.

    Oh I dunno. That one went rather well, I thought.

  10. Independence for England! Now if you can only drag London out into the Thames Estuary & sink it, you might have a country worth living in. And I speak as a born & bred Londoner. But not of the current version.

  11. The SNP rise does not help the Tories at all. It makes it far harder for them to get a majority.

    A Labour-SNP coalition would be rock solid. What policy differences do they have?

    It’s just that Labour still think they have a chance of winning a true majority, because they have become a party detached from reality.

  12. Somewhat OT, but the real problem for leftist parties is that the Conservatives aren’t that far to the right. it gives leftish parties little sensible ideological space to make a pitch. If the Tories were driving over poor people in the street, lots of sensible people would join Labour to address this injustice, but they aren’t doing that. And you can maybe spot some stuff they’re not doing right, but sensible people aren’t going to waste their time trying to fix miniscule things.

    The result of this is that the members are a clowncar of Dave Sparts, future cat ladies and vegans, and they elect people like Swinson and Corbyn, both utter amateurs, to be leaders.

  13. @BiS

    Don’t disagree about London, but subtract it from England/UK and what’s left has an economy comparable with Slovenia. A nice place, but I’m not sure everyone would be happy with a Slovenian standard of living.

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