# Well, OK….

In essence, the DoorDash pay model appears aimed at having workers deliver food effectively for free in hopes of collecting tips.

Whether to do the job or not thus depends on how good the tips are.

You know, just like every waiter’s job ever?

## 22 thoughts on “Well, OK….”

1. “The \$5 I made during that hour goes to gas so I can do 2 more orders in an hour to make another \$5 to put more gas in to keep going.””

Hmmm. You’re spending \$5 on petrol and only doing 2 orders? It’s an average of \$3.12 per gallon in Washington State. That’s 1.5 gallons. Even on a bad car, that’s at least 40 miles. You’re driving 20 miles per order, in Seattle?

Stop fucking lying.

2. Under the pay model the company employed from 2017 until the fall of 2019, each dollar of customer tip did not raise workers’ earnings by a dollar — it simply meant the company paid the worker one dollar less.

The sooner our internet oligarch autistocracy is eaten by whichever Lord Humungus type figure arises from the ozpocalyptic wasteland in our inevitable Mad Max future, the better.

3. There’s a hierarchy of driving jobs. Licensed taxi drivers get paid top dollar (per hour or per mile); postal workers less; Uber drivers next; Amazon/Hermes van drivers a bit less again; and food delivery drivers somewhere near the bottom.

Many food drivers use 50cc motor scooters, not cars. Why? Because these jobs are intended for 16 year olds after school. They aren’t jobs for single moms with three children. Technically they aren’t even jobs at all!

4. The author of the article quotes 58c per mile – Google says US average is 10.5c/mile including SUVs and humvees and Cadillacs and Ford Mustangs so must be nearer 5.8c per miles for the delivery drivers.
Just slide the decimal point for one item in an equation and it’s very easy to “prove” that 2+2=3

5. “I make nothing to feed my kids ” – from the looks of her photo it looks like she gets 1st 2nd and 3rd dibs. 3 kids but obviously immaculate conception as it appears no fathers were involved.

6. I thought about that so I looked it up. Standard IRS allowable tax deduction. Large therefore but possibly allowable in such a calculation.

7. Working Washington is a leftist organized labor outfit that is lobbying for a \$15 per hour minimum wage in the state of Washington. The city of Seattle has already instituted a \$15 minimum wage and it has crushed both restaurants and food industry workers within the city limits. If poor starving Mariah gets what she wants, she probably won’t even had her horrible little job with Doordash… because the increased labor costs that go with a \$15 minimum wage will, in all probability, gut Doordash’s business model and make the company unprofitable.

8. If Mariah is paid as an W-2 employee, her mileage expense would be treated as an unreimbursed employee expense, which is subject to a floor of 2% of adjusted gross income. So, if AGI is \$20,000 per year, the first \$400 of unreimbursed employee expenses are not deductible. That’s basically the first 690 miles driven.

9. As my dear and much missed old man used to tell me – if the pay’s shit, fuck off and do something else.

10. @Steve +1

We can blather on about the joys of the market and the shame an adult ought to feel for working a shit job, but these sub-McJobs only exist because of a steady supply of immigrants, legal and illegal, prepared to work for chump change. The supply of those immigrants also means low-skilled natives have to work for the same chump change.

Talking of chumps, if it were not for the poor sodding taxpayer making up people’s wages, the likes of DoorDash wouldn’t be able to raise \$12.5 in an IPO.

11. Some restraunts are looking at no-tip policies as cost have gone up due to minimum wage and people are put off eating out because of higher prices.
I’ve pointed it out to my wife, when she waited tables 30years ago the minimum wage was a fraction of what it is now so tips were making up the difference, so why are we still tipping at the same rates?

12. If she wants \$15 an hour, it’s simple, DoorDash have to charge their customers \$20 for their delivery.

What? The customers are only prepared to pay fifty cents? Well, **** them, then, they can buy their food from somebody else. What? You mean everybody is charging \$20 because their workers demand a living wage on part-time work?

13. @moqifen

+1

If she makes “nothing” why does she do it – ah, she’s lying

DoorDash pay model seems worth trying, but customers need to know when ordering

Bit like Scouts’ “Bob A Job” – some will be overly generous, some tight-fisted

Also provides an opening for “Anything else I can do for you while I’m here?” “May I have that painting/vase you’re throwing away?”

@MC

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14. In essence, the DoorDash pay model appears aimed at having workers deliver food effectively for free in hopes of collecting tips.

Which isn’t an unusual model. I’ve known a couple small restaurants that offer delivery service that way – they can’t afford to pay someone to sit around waiting for deliveries but when the busy hours come, the driver can make 20bucks/hr easy.

15. “If my car breaks down I make \$0 and I have no money to maintain my vehicle. So I sit at home and wait for the government to provide me with food stamps. I’m making \$5 in an hour with three kids as a single mom. I have no money to pay bills. It takes me all day to fill up my car to keep going. I make nothing to feed my kids and I’m bringing food to other people. The \$5 I made during that hour goes to gas so I can do 2 more orders in an hour to make another \$5 to put more gas in to keep going.”

1. Be thankful you have a car. There’s lot’s of people who would love to take that bit of capital from you, you horrible capitalist, and give it to ‘The People’.

2. You’re still doing it. So it has to be doing something for you. Or else you’re a complete moron.

3. If you’re going through 1.5 to 2 gallons of gas *in an hour* doing two deliveries . . . are you in North Dakota or something? Are you driving an F250? WTF?

16. “MC
January 21, 2020 at 4:12 pm

@Steve +1

We can blather on about the joys of the market and the shame an adult ought to feel for working a shit job, but these sub-McJobs only exist because of a steady supply of immigrants, legal and illegal, prepared to work for chump change. The supply of those immigrants also means low-skilled natives have to work for the same chump change. ”

Bullshit. These jobs exist because this country has maintained such a comprehensive and all-encompassing welfare net that there is a significant minority like Mariah here who have no damn skills. All she can do is operate a motor vehicle. That’s all she’s ever had to do since the government has been violently taking money from productive people and passing it on to her for her whole life. That’s why she’s a single-mother of three working a basement-level job – and doing it for spending cash as the government is feeding her and paying her rent.

17. Dennis,

Working Washington is a leftist organized labor outfit that is lobbying for a \$15 per hour minimum wage in the state of Washington. The city of Seattle has already instituted a \$15 minimum wage and it has crushed both restaurants and food industry workers within the city limits. If poor starving Mariah gets what she wants, she probably won’t even had her horrible little job with Doordash… because the increased labor costs that go with a \$15 minimum wage will, in all probability, gut Doordash’s business model and make the company unprofitable.
I’ve been seeng a few complaints on Twatter about shops staring to install self-checkouts and fast food joints like MacDonald’s with claims that its driven by increasing minimum wages.

Has any research been done looking at automation against all the different minimum wages? there must be a good economics PhD at least in that subject and you have a natural experiment across the various States and even intra-State.

18. There’s a range of large scale automation already used in food production that could possibly be scaled down if manufacturers thought there was a market for it so it’s nots as if we are talking inventing something novel/new.
The order screens at macdonalds are just an extension of online ordering for the interface and use existing technology that’s been around for a while.

19. “…requires 3 miles of driving from acceptance to the restaurant to the delivery location…”

Requires 3 miles of transit. DoorDash is quite happy if you use a bicycle, which will change the calculation a lot. As will using a moped / scooter. These sorts of short term shit-end jobs are great for students wanting to augment their lives with some low commitment dosh.

Might not hurt Mariah don’t-much-carey to get on her bike, too.

20. None of my Uber Eats delivery drivers have come in a car. They’re about 85% moped, 15% push bike. And they usually get a ₡1500 tip, which here is fucking good. I usually tip Ubers ₡500, which is about 83¢, but that’s on a ₡2000 or ₡3000 fare so pretty good pro rata.