What fun, eh?

Female prisoners are made to shower with transgender women offenders who are still “anatomically male” in at least one Scottish prison, an MSP has said.

Kenneth Gibson, the SNP politician for Cunninghame North, made the revelation to Scottish Parliament today after calling for a ban on transgender offenders who are physically male being admitted to female prisons.

Not the showering together, that’s only fun when it’s voluntary. But the can of worms being opened here. Checking grollies to decide between male and female seems sensible, logical, and in terms of prisons and enclosed environments, just plain right.

Then we’ve the currently fashionable insistence that grollies don’t matter and aren’t what defines.

Who to believe, eh?

7 thoughts on “What fun, eh?”

  1. There is no point in legislation trying to accommodate such a woolly term as gender. Biological sex on the other hand is conveniently binary and should be the only thing considered by the legal system, NHS etc.

  2. Say, after they’ve had their bits cut off and they shower together with women, if they simulate a rape by rubbing their cut-off bits against a woman’s vagina, would that be rape?

  3. Even more potential fun:

    “The Cabinet Secretary for Justice Humza Yousaf said he was “surprised” at the news and that he would look into the matter. “

  4. Change the expenses rules so that MPs get their constituency house subsidised but are provided with Halls of Residence in London. Explain that fully equipped males who identify as women will be living and showering in the women’s bit.

    Then see if the law is changed.

  5. What about the elevated risk of sexual assault – not to mention the inevitable sexual harassment – if a trans woman or girl is forced to share changing room and shower facilities with male inmates, Tim? Or does sexual assault by a cis person against a trans person not count? One of my trans women friends was raped. She was 15 at the time. Yet we live in a society that does not want to admit this every happens.

  6. Katie

    “What about the elevated risk of sexual assault – not to mention the inevitable sexual harassment – if a trans woman or girl is forced to share changing room and shower facilities with male inmates, Tim?”

    In this context, do you regard trans as still retaining the old genitals? Ie, does your trans woman in every other sense – whatever is in the head – still look like a bloke. If so, isn’t the risk to that person similar to the risk of any other bloke there, and yes of course, no sexual assault of any kind should be acceptable in any such institution?

    Or, if it’s more nuanced with regard to the genitals / appearance, perhaps simply better options to choose to isolate from the rest in such places?

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