America can be a strange place at times

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American Indian woman who has not asked for nor received race privileges.

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American Indian woman who has asked for and gained race based privileges.

44 comments on “America can be a strange place at times

  1. Gamecock said:
    “Not exactly. Nikki’s parents are from Asia.”

    Specifically, India. Double meaning of “Indian” in English.

  2. The mistake, of course, is to grant race privileges. Was MLK the last leading politician to inveigh against them?

  3. Y’all note Nikki’s pendant? The crescent is from the uniform hats of the militia in Fort Moultrie. The palmetto is for the temporary log walls of Fort Moultrie.

    It’s all about kicking British ass in the Revolutionary War. The state symbol of South Carolina. It’s on our flag.

  4. Elsewhere the BBC talks about how capitalism is failing

    “But as inequality grows and climate change worsens”

    No agenda here at all.

  5. Interesting, PJF. I had never noticed their flag.

    ‘The flag of Great Britain is emblazoned in the upper left corner to honor Hawaii’s friendship with the British.’

    Despite centuries of effort, the U.S. still has friendship with the British.

  6. American Indian” has no such double meaning.

    Yes, in modern parlance Haley would be “Indian American”. I suspect she would prefer “American”.

    A small irony in this context is that the “Indian” at either side is derived from the same place, via Columbus.

  7. Gamecock
    ““American Indian” has no such double meaning.”

    It does in English. Might not be permitted in the Yankee variant though.

  8. Despite centuries of effort, the U.S. still has friendship with the British.

    I think we’re the only nation to go to war with the US and not lose badly or suffer terrible damage. Plus we detonated nukes on the mainland. Maybe we’re pushing our luck.

  9. Jussi. First Nations appears to be a Canadian thing. I’ve not heard it used in the States. In fact, most American Indians I’ve known often call themselves Indians though I’ve also heard Native American, which is more widely used in the US. I was at a concert recently where the local Indian tribe was a major benefactor contributing towards the concert hall’s construction (casino money) and they had a big sign up referring to themselves as Indians.

    Harvard has not come in for near enough criticism for the obvious delight they took in checking off affirmative action surveys with a blond, blue-eyed Cherokee princess. She might have gotten away with it forever if she’d try to pass herself off as a Lapp.

  10. The use of the British flag in the Hawaiian flag predates the time Hawaii was taken over by the US. King Kamehameha apparently had fond feelings for the Brits, even having some of them over for supper.

  11. “I think we’re the only nation to go to war with the US…”: actually, they went to war with us in an attempt to grab Canada. They lost.

  12. Canadians call their Indians First Nations. American Indians hate the term and will not use it.

    American Liberals call their Indians Native Americans. American Indians hate the term and will not use it.

    American Indians use the term Indian. Period.

    Got schooled in this about ten years ago by a very crusty old Indian lady residing on a reservation in Arizona.

  13. Harvard has not come in for near enough criticism for the obvious delight they took in checking off affirmative action surveys with a blond, blue-eyed Cherokee princess. She might have gotten away with it forever if she’d try to pass herself off as a Lapp.

    Actually, ethnicity fraud in American academia is fairly widespread. It seems the institutions are desperate to get them some diversity, but their aren’t enough of the approved minority types to go around. My own true self and a blogger out in Colorado combined to expose a fake Indian named Ward Churchill who was then teaching at the U of Colorado.

  14. Actually, every recognized Indian tribe in the US that I’m aware of has very stringent criteria for actually recognizing people claiming to be of their tribe. There is a process that involves providing ancestor names and information that is then vetted by the tribe. If you can’t demonstrate you have tribal ancestors, the tribe will not recognize you as a member. Most tribes actually issue identity cards for members to use.

    Needless to say, Lizzie Warren somehow never got around to going through the process, and Harvard never got around to vetting her claim.

    Surprising, that.

  15. With lots of casino money tribes are becoming quite stringent about membership – blood quantum analysis, etc., whereas once they were pretty accepting of people into the tribe. Requirements differ from tribe to tribe, but now that there is cash flow to be divvied up there have been cases of people, including tribal leaders, of being expelled from tribes for not being genetically pure enough.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/RICHMOND-Former-Pomo-leader-expelled-from-tribe-2536234.php

  16. I almost stepped on a Mojave Green once. Scared the bejesus out of me when it finally saw fit to rattle up a storm. Great handle. Wish I’d thought of it.

  17. I’d shag Nikki, wouldn’t shag a now or younger Warren

    @Gamecock

    The pre-Mandela SA Flags were similarly adorned

    The new one invokes Churchill’s Flag Law:
    “Never trust a country whose flag includes Green or Black”

    @PJF

    Very good

    @TD +1

  18. Yes in Canada the term First Nations is the normal usage, the word Indian is considered insulting by many, even though that is still a legal term (Indian Act, Indian Registry). I work with some First Nations groups and have had to do the cultural training.
    Discussed a book I was reading recently set in US reservation with a First Nations colleague as there’s a very surprising difference in terminology and attitudes between the 2 groups and they confirmed that was very much the case.
    Interestingly the US recognises the nations/tribes predate the border and Registered Indians can travel to US without a passport and even have easy access to work permits etc., but Canada doesn’t have a reciprocal arrangement.

  19. My own true self and a blogger out in Colorado combined to expose a fake Indian named Ward Churchill

    Really? I remember that miserable little shit. Good job, Dennis; you helped make the world a better place.

  20. Weekend Canapés

    Susan Sarandon and Geena Davis have been reunited for a one-off screening to celebrate the 30th anniversary of their ’empowering’ movie Thelma & Louise.

    It was Brad Pitt’s first major film. He went on to superstardom as their careers faded. How empowering is that?

    Snigger

    Madonna has offered her New York home to Harry and Megs as she thinks Canada — where they’re staying in a rented mansion worth £10million — ‘is too boring’.

    ‘I’ll let them sub-let my apartment in Central Park West,’ said Madge. She may be the Queen of Pop but she has a lot to learn about real royalty.

    Though they’ve promised to repay the £2.4 million we lavished on Frogmore Cottage, the Sussexes don’t appear to pay a penny for their accommodation. The deal is: you pay for the privilege of having them in your home.

    Sad to see William taking on Harry’s Woke role

    Ken Clarke, the longest continuous-serving MP (49 years) and one of the great characters of British politics, is to take ermine.

    Yet how curious that former Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson is also heading for the Lords, having insisting she wanted to spend more time with her wife and baby in their Scottish home.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, Ruth, the red benches are a long way from Edinburgh.

    Clarkey should be knighted, not lorded – he served a long time, climbed the pole and caused immense damage. Ruthie quit politics – like Nicky “Useless” Morgan

    Promoting her novel Grown Ups, best-selling author Marian Keyes says she only reads books by women as male writers and their lives are ‘so limited . . . it’s such a small and narrow experience’.

    Imagine if a man had said such a thing about female novelists

    Owen Jones should do it

  21. Can Indians from one tribe recognisr if someone is from another tribe ? Will they wear the wrong feathers or use a different type of tomahawk ?

  22. Really? I remember that miserable little shit. Good job, Dennis; you helped make the world a better place.

    Yep. The other blogger, Jim Paine, who blogged as PirateBallerina, did most of the heavy lifting regarding Churchill misrepresenting himself as an Indian. He also managed to get the Denver newspapers to take an interest in the story (and they were quite aggressive about destroying Churchill’s claims, too). I uncovered that he’d never picked up an Ph.D., and that his Master’s degree came from an unaccredited college. I also did a bit of work on the academy fraud he was accused of, as well as how other radical left intellectuals hated his academic output (Noam Chomsky hated Churchill’s published work, and said so publicly). Although we corresponded to coordinate and compare, when it come down to it Paine did about 99% and I did about 1%.

  23. @Dennis, Gamecock

    USA: 2020 Democrats take the debate stage following messy Iowa caucuses
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsXnwF_yj70

    Aus: Democrats trying to find ‘who will lose to Trump’ in upcoming presidential election
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGBbcfz9eYE

    USA: That isn’t the wind at Trump’s back, it’s a category 5 hurricane
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znkY_HJLXrk

    USA/Can: “Corporate Hologram” Buttigieg reportedly adds audience applause to town hall clip
    Mayor Pete shares his deep thoughts with America; columnist Mark Steyn reacts
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7MKVJwNyTg

    Mark Steyn “A Gay square” – excellent

    Meanwhile, Dems in meltdown, Trump exonerated and Aus bush-fires out – which is bad because climate change has made rain happen and msm in ever decreasing circles. Hence why it was back to Syria & other fillers last week. Israel/Gaza this week?

  24. Promoting her novel Grown Ups, best-selling author Marian Keyes says she only reads books by women as male writers and their lives are ‘so limited . . . it’s such a small and narrow experience’.

    Considering the abject, brainless, pastel-jacketed shit she writes, that is hilarious.

  25. In Oz, it is now fashionable to call the abos the First People, which is what I thought aboriginal meant.

    As for fake abos, when I was a boy (ok, before the last ice age), it was customary to say the poor old Tasmanians were exterminated by the wicked British. Oddly enough, when the government began paying people for being aboriginals, the number of Tasmanian abos sky-rocketed.

    What started this one was the 19th century anthropologists who thought the Tasmanians might have been the missing link. They were naturally pissed off that there were no pure-bloods left, and so the story spread.

    We of course have our blond, blue-eyed abos too. In fact it seems to me the whiter they look, the louder they scream.

    The latest push is for the abos to have a separate representation inserted into the constitution. This would require a referendum. You already know how I’ll vote.

  26. @Pcar: Hence why it was back to Syria & other fillers last week. Israel/Gaza this week?

    I guess that Coronavirus has come as a real godsend… Gives them something else to whip up panic about.

  27. “In Oz, it is now fashionable to call the abos the First People, which is what I thought aboriginal meant.”

    10-4. Decades ago, I was gobsmacked when told it was no longer appropriate to call people “Negroes,” that they must be called “blacks.”

    Well, duh, negro means black.

    More recently, “colored people” was replaced, at gunpoint, with “people of color.” I sh|t you not.

  28. Nikki Haley’s a ‘hyphen Indian’ (Indian-American), Warren’s not (American Indian. And not American Indian either).

  29. “Jussi
    February 9, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    I believe the proper term is “First Nations”.”

    In Canada, not the US.

  30. “dearieme
    February 9, 2020 at 4:38 pm

    “I think we’re the only nation to go to war with the US…”: actually, they went to war with us in an attempt to grab Canada. They lost.”

    I think every time we’ve gone to war against you guys, we started it.

  31. I just remembered, “Gamecock” is of British origin.

    The mascot of my university, the Fighting Gamecocks.

    The name adapted from the nickname of South Carolina Revolutionary War hero* General Thomas Sumter, of whom British General Banastre Tarleton said Sumter “fought like a gamecock.”

    *A hero here, not there.

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