Ahhh, more on race

The claim that there is a link between race and intelligence is the main tenet of what is known as “race science” or, in many cases, “scientific racism”. Race scientists claim there are evolutionary bases for disparities in social outcomes – such as life expectancy, educational attainment, wealth, and incarceration rates – between racial groups. In particular, many of them argue that black people fare worse than white people because they tend to be less naturally intelligent.

Although race science has been repeatedly debunked by scholarly research, in recent years it has made a comeback. Many of the keenest promoters of race science today are stars of the “alt-right”, who like to use pseudoscience to lend intellectual justification to ethno-nationalist politics. If you believe that poor people are poor because they are inherently less intelligent, then it is easy to leap to the conclusion that liberal remedies, such as affirmative action or foreign aid, are doomed to fail.

That’s a lovely non sequiter, isn’t it?

For it’s entirely possible to believe that poor people are poor because of something about poor people – say, something rather common within economics, that poorer people have shorter time horizons, or perhaps that having a shorter time horizon is likely to make you poorer – without using race to define that. It’s even possible to insist upon a genetic disposition to such differences without using race as the demarcation line.

This though I would agree is comprehensively wrong:

One of the people behind the revival of race science was, not long ago, a mainstream figure. In 2014, Nicholas Wade, a former New York Times science correspondent, wrote what must rank as the most toxic book on race science to appear in the last 20 years. In A Troublesome Inheritance, he repeated three race-science shibboleths: that the notion of “race” corresponds to profound biological differences among groups of humans; that human brains evolved differently from race to race; and that this is supported by different racial averages in IQ scores.

It’s the middle contention that has to be. Whatever we think of “races” today they long post-date the evolution of the human brain.

49 thoughts on “Ahhh, more on race”

  1. Schrodinger’s Racism: Race isn’t real, but “white supremacy” is.

    Many of the keenest promoters of race science today are stars of the “alt-right”

    True. And this is why racism is uncool – nobody wants to be associated with extremely online Millennial vape dorks.

  2. Oh yes it’s those awful right wingers again. Nothing to do with the left and their identity politics then. Was it Harvard that was considering some kind of race handicap system for entry? What is this kind of positive discrimination other than an assertion that some races are inferior and so they need a leg up? That some people are more intelligent than others is obvious, it doesn’t have to be about race. Also intelligence is very difficult to define, some people aren’t intellectual but are just very practical and do well at making their way through life.

  3. This marxiost shite will never end until their evil structures are forcibly broken up.

    Unis and schools purged, marx-funding confiscated and a program to link 150 million murders to the scum posturing on your telly.

    Not beyond the wit of even Blojo were his brain not full of installed BluLabour shite.

  4. The results of IQ tests are some of the most robust and replicable results in Psychology and can be used as a decent predictive measure for success in life.

  5. When it comes to “climate change” we are told “listen to the science”. This does not apply to biology/genes/chromosomes/male/female and now IQ.

    London mayor tweeted “transmen are men, transwomen are women, binary(???) are binary”. Same twat probably tells us to listen to the science when it comes to weather.

  6. IQ tests are bollocks and do not measure intelligence. They measure the ability to do puzzles, nothing more. You can train yourself to do well in them. Intelligence goes far deeper than mere puzzles. See Stony’s comment above.

  7. The results of IQ tests are some of the most robust and replicable results in Psychology and can be used as a decent predictive measure for success in life

    Do people who live in Surrey have higher IQs than people who live in Merthyr Tydfil…or when the Coal industry shut down and whole communities were consigned to post industrial decline ….did they suddenly get stupider ?
    Did the people of China whose wealth has been transformed in a generation suddenly get twice as clever ?

    Or are there massive and overwhelming geo-historical and social reaosns for success and failure ……could be

  8. Blacks are on average better at running than Whites and Asians = blindingly obvious and not in the least bit racist.

    Asians have on average a higher IQ than Whites = blindingly obvious and not in the least bit racist.

    Whites have on average a higher IQ than Blacks = horrifically racist and must never be mentioned.

    To paraphrase Jordan B Peterson ‘whilst not perfect, there is no better indicator of life outcomes than IQ’.

  9. Jonathan: the US Army has been performing IQ tests since WW1 in an effort to recruit as many people as possible into the army without their stupidity making them a danger to their fellows. I think the cut off point was 85, a barrier which was briefly lowered during the Vietnam War with forseeable increased loss of life. This is the world’s largest data set which with high statistical significance, confirms the link between race and average IQ and performance and IQ. How inconvenient to the narrative classes.

  10. “Do people who live in Surrey have higher IQs than people who live in Merthyr Tydfil”

    The earliest attempts at measuring IQ proved that French country bumpkins were thicker than French city slickers. And obviously those figures are fixed for all time, completely immutable and cannot change and the descendants of those French country bumpkins are still thicker than the slickers and will be forever and …

    Oh, wait….

  11. @Newmania
    One of your daftest contributions yet (up against pretty stiff competition for the title). There are relatively lower and higher levels of intelligence among members of any given population. Those who score higher on IQ tests will tend to be more successful (by most measures of success – money, societal standing etc) than those who don’t.

    But you can’t turn that round and say group A is more successful than group B, so this must be because group B is less intelligent, when there are many other confounding differences between those groups. And you certainly can’t observe that we’re all (on average) many times better off than our ancestors were a century ago and attribute this to our all having many times higher IQs.

  12. BiGs – I’m vaguely skeptical of IQ, don’t think it’s much more than a very rough and partially ready reckoner at best and swastika panty LARPer spergbait at worst. The great thinkers, poets, artists and general of the past never wasted time in Mensa meetings. Genghis Khan didn’t even have any O levels.

    Besohoweverirregardless, we’ve already observed African average IQ’s being uplifted from about 60-ish in Africa to about 80-ish in African Americans, probably due to better diet during childhood. The Yanks have spent billions and decades trying to juice those numbers further, but with no obvious success yet.

    I dunno what the point of IQ fetishism on the Right is. Seems to be no answer to the inevitable “and what?” If a race of sentient Toilet Ducks from Uranus had 3,000 IQ’s, would that mean we should worship them or something?

  13. “Whatever we think of “races” today they long post-date the evolution of the human brain.”
    So at some point in the past the human brain stopped evolving. Care to give a date on that? And a why?

  14. Blacks are on average better at running than Whites and Asians = blindingly obvious and not in the least bit racist.

    Oh ?
    Why are the vast black ex slave populations of South America not especially successful at sprints ?
    Why are African countries much much less successful at explosive events than the slave populations form whom they are descended ?
    Do you count aboriginal Australians as Black ? I mean they are black …
    Do you count the very dark people of the subcontinent as black
    Do you think all black Sub Saharan Africans are the same race or close to each other than they are to (let us say) Europeans ?)

    Before you start making assertions about race you have at least make some sort of attempt to define it – can you
    If you cannot well fine have a bar room blather ( and we all know why ) but its not science and don`t pretend it is
    xx

  15. Whatever we think of “races” today they long post-date the evolution of the human brain.

    Is it a fact that the human brain has stopped evolving?

    Do people who live in Surrey have higher IQs than people who live in Merthyr Tydfil

    What’s the betting Newms lives in Surrey and is looking for validation?

  16. Something to think about.
    The domesticated dog post-dates the evolution of the human brain. Ever kept border collies? Their intelligence is breathtaking. You don’t train borders. They work out what you want them to do & do it. Sometimes before you’ve worked out what you want them to do. Why they dominate the “dog dancing”” field. When we took ours to France, a dog who’d seen little but London streets, we took him sheep-dogging. They run courses for it. In two hours he was penning a flock of twenty sheep, working in close coordination* with my girlfriend who was learning as well. He’d never seen a sheep before. Oh & he’s also bi-lingual French/English.
    Border collies are the result of forced evolution. Call it enhanced intelligence or bred-in abilities, it doesn’t matter. It’s not there in the wild dog & few other breeds. Yet what about the humans bred border collies as a response to environmental needs? The same environment wasn’t working on them? Breeding for a better sheep herder?

    * In the gather, the dog & the shepherd are on opposite sides of a clock face with the sheep between them.. When the shepherd moves to his left, the dog moves to its left, so they’re always opposite. Until the sheep are at the entrance to the pen, when they move together to drive the sheep in.

  17. Their intelligence is breathtaking.

    They are descended from Wolves possibly via an intermediate village dog .They are less intelligent than their wild ancestors really a domestic dog is an overgrown wolf puppy so it has learning abilities of a juvenile but that is not intelligence , just one useful aspect of it .

  18. Newmania

    Border collies are very intelligent dogs. Apparently, on average, they have an IQ of 56, which is not that far behind the average IQ of many sub-saharan states.

    “Do people who live in Surrey have higher IQs than people who live in Merthyr Tydfil?”

    Probably, now. In economically depressed areas, the brighter individuals rapidly move out, lowering the average IQ.

    “Why are the vast black ex slave populations of South America not especially successful at sprints ?”

    Because black slaves exported to South America tended to be West Africans who tend to be better at long-distance running. Black sprinters tend to come from East Africa.

    “…its not science and don`t pretend it is”

    Race is real. A sample of genetic material can identify an individual’s race with approaching 100% accuracy.

  19. “Because black slaves exported to South America tended to be West Africans who tend to be better at long-distance running. Black sprinters tend to come from East Africa.”

    No. Sprinting – fast twitch fibres – is associated with West Africa. Long distance from East. But the areas of collection were still different. N America and Caribbean got largely from Ghana, Nigeria sorts of areas. L America more from Congo etc.

  20. “Do people who live in Surrey have higher IQs than people who live in Merthyr Tydfil”

    Since people who live in Surrey support Manchester United, possibly not.

  21. Newmania,

    “Do people who live in Surrey have higher IQs than people who live in Merthyr Tydfil…or when the Coal industry shut down and whole communities were consigned to post industrial decline ….did they suddenly get stupider ?”

    Merthyr got stupider because the more intelligent people left as soon as the pit closed. Perhaps going to Surrey. These places have been slowly depopulating for decades.

    There’s a group of people who never had a movie or documentary made about them from the mining industry: miners who crossed the picket lines, made very good money for a year, then took their generous redundancy packages and left.

  22. Andrew M – Yarp. People talk about (for example) China colonising Africa, but China has an ageing population due to go into decline by the end of this decade. Africa is robust and demographically antifragile by comparison. The Chinee can pull whatever financial tricks they can think of, Africa will just shrug them off.

    Dunno if they’ll get to 4Bn though. If there isn’t a way to feed 4Bn Africans, there won’t be 4Bn Africans. Could go either way, I reckon.

  23. “Merthyr got stupider because the more intelligent people left as soon as the pit closed. ”

    Does this only apply to Wales?
    You live in a shit-hole, you’re bright, you get out go live somewhere better. You leave the thickos behind. Humans evolved in Africa. Non Africans are the descendants of humans who got out, went somewhere better. Africans?

    Interesting question posed above. Does a border collie have a higher IQ than a City insurance clerk? Difficult one, isn’t it?

  24. BiS Border collies that move to France still bark with an accent. Only Labradors bark perfectly in both English and French though I’d grant you that they don’t like office work and resist being treated as an underdog. They could carry a bag of slips around the market for you, though.

  25. Isn’t it more that just the difference between the mentality of those that stayed and those that left.

    Those that move on also then face all manner of new challenges and threats. Out of which the brighter ones generally might then be more likely to survive.

    Given the geography, Europe being a shorter hop from Africa, might that also help explain any small difference with regard to Asia versus Europe?

  26. It’s the middle contention that has to be. Whatever we think of “races” today they long post-date the evolution of the human brain.

    The latest notions are that the races came about by various waves of migrations of modern humans genetically interacting with established populations of earlier versions (Neanderthals, Devisonians, etc). There are supposedly links between Neanderthal genes (not present in Africans) and math skills, so that would indicate a separate brain development.

  27. Interesting thesis, PF. But by the same token, indigenous people in the New World are descended from Asians crossed the Bering land bridge at the end of the Ice Age. So by that they should be more intelligent than Chinese. Mmmm… Central America had cities of a million people before EurAsia did. If they’d had a draught animal bigger than a llama, who knows? Maybe they would have discovered us.

  28. You’re right, TMB. Our border’s been hanging round with some rough types round La Citadelle de Lille. Barks in ch’ti. Totally different from the Nice French my ex-wife used to bark in.

  29. “X got stupider because all the clever people left when Y happened”

    Doesn’t always apply. Some countries seem to have a deliberate policy of exporting their underclass and/or revolutionaries to the West, as a sort-of pressure-relief valve.

  30. True, Andrew M. I know Jacinda Ahern has no sense of humour but there was a previous NZ premier who commented on the migrants from NZ to Oz was to the mutual benefit of both nations’ average intelligence.

  31. Merthyr vs Surrey
    I was a couple of valleys over, but from my 6th form year only a few people stayed and didn’t go to university and only a few returned to the area later.
    First year in Uni would have been start of the miners strike, so not a lot to return to 3 years later job prospects wise.
    Would also point out that the miners set up institutes and libraries and encouraged learning, many didn’t want their children to follow them down the pit if they didn’t have to, not a case of people being unintelligent more a case of what was available to them. See the point about the US army and IQ, dangerous place a coal mine, idiots not appreciated if they increase risk.

  32. “X got stupider because all the clever people left when Y happened”

    Nope. Big, strong people got the good land. People left because they were forced to, to find usable land. Big, strong doesn’t preclude clever. Regardless, the selection was on size and strength. As Man evolved, he who had the better bow and arrow got the pick of the land.

    “.[1] The races evolved different average IQs: Africa 71, Eurasia 100, Oceania 62, East Asia 105, America 86.[2] IQ differences between races are heritable”

    Bullshit. It is not knowable. Differences in IQs are not necessarily genetic; they can be environmental. Subsaharan/white european/asian cultures are vastly different, and could easily explain differences in IQ. Cultures are passed on, hence, heritable.

    ‘Although race science has been repeatedly debunked by scholarly research’

    A bald faced lie. The message: “You better not stray from race orthodoxy!”

    Discussion of race is taboo.

    Yet the American Left frequently says, “We need to have a conversation about race.”

    What they mean is they want to beat you into submission, using race as a tool.

    ‘Many of the keenest promoters of race science today are stars of the “alt-right””

    Ahhh . . . the real problem: the “alt-right.”

    A free people can discuss race. We aren’t free.

  33. Coal mining. To think that within my life time people did that, in England. And fought actual fights, to be allowed to do it.

  34. @Stonyground

    What is this kind of positive discrimination other than an assertion that some races are inferior and so they need a leg up?

    Exactly

    @Jonathan, Jussi, Addolff, Ljh

    +1

    @Longrider

    -1

    @Newmania

    Orientals have higher avg IQ than Occidentals; Left suppressed their abilities

    Blacks in general: West Africa are fast & strong, East are endurance

    If wolves are cleverer than dogs, why do a pack of wolves run away from one or a few dogs?

    @bis

    +1 and “retriever” breeds eg black labs having webbed feet (we checked ours) and do water and retrieving without instruction, cockers similar. Belgian Shepherds also herd everything without training

    @bis February 18, 2020 at 12:07 pm @PF @PJF @Martin Sewell

    +1 also increased ambition, adventurism and calculated risk taking

  35. “Although race science has been repeatedly debunked by scholarly research”

    Nope. Science has proven that there are differences between the various races of Mankind. As is to be expected given the various environments we have adapted to.
    This, of course, is straight up against the Socialist Dogma that we are “all the same”.
    We arnt. Git over it. And Pull Up Your Pants!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f_dxLiuXuw

  36. Theophrastus said:
    “Border collies are very intelligent dogs. Apparently, on average, they have an IQ of 56”

    Doesn’t surprise me; we had a collie when the children were young, and I thought it took them about 5 years before they reached the dog’s intelligence level.

    However the collie we’ve got now seems to have a spaniel’s brain. Which goes back to Tim’s comment in another post that the differences within races are bigger than the ones between them.

  37. @ Gamecock:

    Subsaharan/white european/asian cultures are vastly different, and could easily explain differences in IQ. Cultures are passed on, hence, heritable.

    Culture is downstream of IQ but is not a perfect indicator of it; Ashkenazi Jews are acknowledged to have higher IQ’s than Europeans and yet have never created a culture of their own.

  38. If wolves are cleverer than dogs, why do a pack of wolves run away from one or a few dogs?

    Perhaps they’ve learned that where there are dogs there are men.

  39. Border collies are very intelligent dogs. Apparently, on average, they have an IQ of 56

    Gotta wonder how they measure that.

    I’ll do that test. Maybe then I’d get a good score.

  40. @RichardT

    Our description:
    Belgian Shepherd (Malinois) – store manager
    Cocker – cheery till girl
    Black Lab – car-park trolley guy

    With the Malinois you can almost hear cogs in brain whirring when she looks at something and works out how to achieve what she wants

    @PJF

    Nope. Belgian, German Shepherds etc were/are left alone to Guard sheep from wolves, bears etc. UK Shepherd dogs don’t have to Guard, hence their difference

    Dog IQ: puzzle solving and learning, same as humans. Most dogs are 2-4 year old humans, some are 5-7

    Related:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAC-B0LsG4E
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Zt4IXAlSs

  41. ‘If wolves are cleverer than dogs, why do a pack of wolves run away from one or a few dogs?’

    Cos dogs are crazy. Unpredictable. Stupid.

    Steer clear.

  42. Interesting study of dog intelligence test I read about:

    Basket of different toys:

    1) teach the dog the name of a toy and tell it to fetch that toy. Basic demonstration of intelligence.

    2) teach the dog the name of more than one toy, tell it to fetch one of the toys with a known name; proves that it can actually apply different names to different objects; some can learn hundreds, but after 2 or 3 it’s really just a test of greater memory, not greater intelligence;

    3) teach the dog the names of all the toys in the basket except one; tell it to fetch that one, using the name that it hasn’t been taught yet; this is a step up in intelligence to deductive reasoning – it knows the name of the other toys, so therefore the unknown request must be for the unknown toy.

    Apparently very few can manage (3).

  43. @RichardT

    “deductive reasoning”?

    Dogs in garden, we go outside to cut high hedge, all dogs whining ‘why can’t we be with you’

    Me on top of ladders cutting hedge, see movement: Malinois in upstairs bedroom on hind legs & front paws on windowsill watching me

    Amusing & nice until I thought about her, a dog’s, thinking then impressed

    iirc toy test on YT

  44. “Race Science” or as left say “Scientific Racism” – and sexist

    Bones in Different Races

    …bone density is quite a bit higher in the African Americans. It is also higher in men than in women. Asian persons tend to have bone density that is as low or even lower than Caucasians. Hispanic people have bone density that is about the same or a little bit higher than Caucasians…

    Boxing?

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