Depends who by

Democrats accused the president of holding up military aid for Ukraine and essentially using it as an incentive to get Kiev to investigate Joe Biden’s son Hunter and his business dealings in the country. Trump’s detractors said Trump was hoping to find dirt on the Bidens that could damage the elder’s chances in 2020. Neither have been accused of wrongdoing.

37 thoughts on “Depends who by”

  1. ‘Neither have been accused of wrongdoing.’

    ‘Neither’ ambiguous. Trump and Biden? The Bidens?

    Trump was impeached over it.

    The Bidens are being lambasted in the non Lefty media.

    ‘Neither have been accused of wrongdoing.’ Bizarre.

  2. As more time passes it seems Biden was somewhat a red herring. Him (and Warren) have taken the brunt of Trump’s and Republican’s fight leaving Buttigieg to sweep through unscathed (albeit supported by some dodgy vote counting mechs). We are less than a year from the election and anti-Buttigieg movements are yet to get into gear. With favourable media, favourable voting machines and a Trump machine that has so far focused on his opponents Buttigieg could get the jump.

  3. Buttigieg could get the jump

    Son… I’m just going to tell you this one time. If you want to keep working here, stay off the drugs.

  4. I’m not active in oil and gas – Tim Newman might be useful – but of course I see absolutely nothing wrong or even surprising in a drunk coke addict with no experience in the oil and gas industry being given a $50,000 a month job with the state oil and gas company of Ukraine.

    I’m sure it happens all the time, and it is just a coincidence that on this particular occasion he happened to be the son of the US vice president.

    I am certainly not alleging wrongdoing, much.

  5. Dennis, Legend of the Parish

    If you want to keep working here, stay off the drugs.

    And if you can’t manage that, then at least share them.

  6. Mal is not wrong. But it is of no consequence. As it shakes out to Bernie, Bootyjudge, and Amy Crowbutcher, none will get a majority, none will be nominated. The convention won’t pick from them.

    Any of them actually running against Trump would yield an Electoral College catastrophe. ANY Democrat has no chance. These people would raise it to armageddon.

    The issue for the Democrats is setting up the 2024 election. The party nominee in 2020 will become the defacto party leader. None of the 3 fine leading candidates can become the leader of the party. It is a clown show. Yeah, Bootyjudge can get a jump, but it will only be a head start to nowhere.

    I still think Bloomberg will be selected by the convention. But he has his own list of problems. Really bad policies. But, perhaps as great an issue, he IS TRUMP. Big New York City tycoon. People will ask out loud, “Why should we replace one tycoon with another? What’s the point?”
    And do the Democrats want him to be the face of the party for 4 years? I don’t think so, but, by God, who else do they have? That’s why the nomination process is a clown show. If they actually had someone, they would have put them up.

  7. If Butti-boy gets the nomination, you could see the biggest non-white vote for a Republican ever. The cognitive dissonance among the cognoscenti will be wonderful to see. Black voters failing to vote for a progressive a white gay candidate, how to explain that one away? I think we know who will win – the whole thing would be deep sixed and no Democrat will ever mention it again. Unlike when men didn’t vote for Hillary or whites for Obama.

    How on earth have the Dems got themselves into this position? If Sanders gets the nod, then all the non-Communist Americans vote Trump. If Buttigeig, see above. If a third party is parachuted in (Bloomberg/Clinton) over the top of the winner of the actual candidacy race, then there has to be a good chance the ‘winning’ candidate will run as an independent, splitting the Dem vote. Even if that doesn’t happen its highly unlikely that the abandoned candidate’s supporters will rally round a billionaire/failed candidate who stiffed them last time as well.

    They have managed to take a situation whereby any vaguely sensible middle of the road don’t fright the horses candidate would beat Trump quite easily, and turn it into one where Trump wins against all the possible candidates.

  8. “They have managed to take a situation whereby any vaguely sensible middle of the road don’t fright the horses candidate would beat Trump quite easily, and turn it into one where Trump wins against all the possible candidates.”

    TDS, I believe it’s called.
    “Maybe Donald Trump is not all bad/I know the very thought will make you mad”

  9. …any vaguely sensible middle of the road don’t fright the horses candidate would beat Trump quite easily…

    Not sure about that. Certainly not just a “sensible candidate” sitting atop the Dem dumpster fire. Presidential candidates aside, I think a lot more people are now aware of what a bunch of bastard nutcases the whole party and its media allies are. Those same observers can also see that the world after four years of Trump is actually pretty good.

  10. The party of ridiculous can’t have a sensible leader. Labour, Dems whatever, the easily brainwashed have all fallen into supporting starvation socialism thanks to endless consumption of propaganda, pre-existing mental illness and their asylum / echo chamber.

    A sensible choice is beyond them.

    To be fair, both Trump and Bojo are response to clownworld choices too…..

  11. Dennis, Tiresome Denizen of Central Ohio

    …any vaguely sensible middle of the road don’t fright the horses candidate would beat Trump quite easily…

    Therein lies the problem: Any vaguely sensible middle of the road don’t fright the horses candidate couldn’t come close to winning the Democratic Party nomination. The Democratic Party no longer is welcoming to middle of the road voters, much less candidates. You must believe in (1) unrestricted immigration, (2) abortion on demand, (3) re-regulation/increased regulation of the economy (energy and health care), (4) firearm confiscation, (5) increased control over the population (climate change). Those are non-negotiable policies.

    The Democratic Party is in the grip of identity politics… And identity politics are – by definition – exclusionary. Less than two weeks ago Bernie Sanders publicly stated that you could not be pro-life and a Democrat. Not one of the other candidates called him on it. Not one.

    All of the Democratic Party candidates are campaigning on what they are NOT: They are not for secure borders, merit-based immigration, private health care, cheap, available energy, the second amendment or restrictions on abortion.They haven’t a positive vision on anything… Everything is about what you cannot or should not do. Which is, in large part, why all of the Democratic Party candidates are anonymously uniform to the point of being interchangeable. There are no differences in policy between Sanders, Buttigieg, Warren, Biden and Klobuchar. None.

  12. Presidential candidates aside, I think a lot more people are now aware of what a bunch of bastard nutcases the whole party and its media allies are.

    Amen.

    President Trump is speaking to packed rallies – over 100,000* queued up for a chance to see him in Noo Joyzee – while Biden, Warren, Buttplug and co. struggle to fill high school gyms.

    But the pollsters would have you believe that ACKSHUALLY Orange Badman is less popular than Geriatricus O’Wordsalad, Elizabeth Wampum, and the Mr. Bean-looking CIA stooge who thinks the anus is a sexual gland. “Lol”, as the kids say.

    Sanders is the only one who has any sort of organic popular movement around him, and not coincidentally is probably the only one running with semi-honest intentions. But his big chance was 2016 and he missed it. A nebbish elderly Jewish socialist was always gonna be a tough sell to black audiences in Current Year anyway.

    *Isn’t that completely bonkers, btw? I dunno if even U2 could pull a crowd like that in their prime. We’re talking Live Aid numbers here. He’s not just preaching to the converted either, if his campaign’s data-wallahs can be believed – 25% or more of sign-ups are people who voted Democrat previously, 10% didn’t previously vote.

    Trump is going to be President forever after he transfers his consciousness to a gold-plated 80ft tall atomic death-robot with 40MW laser eyes to own the libs.

  13. Bloke in North Dorset

    Warren’s got the begging bowl out on Twitter, claims she’s only got $5m and needs a lot more to get through Super Tuesday. Bye Bye Pocahontas.

    Trump’s started a Twitter war with Bloomberg, referring to him as Mini Mike, which is gonna hurt, and Bloomberg’s hit back claiming Trump was useless in business and squandered an inherited fortune.

    If Bloomberg does get the nod its going to be a fun campaign, certainly no holds barred and nothing like we’ve seen before. They won’t need Super Pacs to run negative ad campaigns, they’ll be at it face to face.

  14. New Hampshire Primary

    President Donald Trump easily wins the New Hampshire primary, a state he lost only by a few thousand votes in the 2016 general election to Hillary Clinton
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDNKJyIanr4

    Dems: Sanders(26%) wins then Buttigieg(24), Klobchar(20) and Warren(9), Biden(8)

    MSNBC “It was a photo finish” Rachel Maddow: Warren’s doing really well and she took half of a poor women’s money
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHkGgCr3FmY

    @Gamecock February 13, 2020 at 4:30 pm

    Agree. Although I’d love DNC to nominate Schiff as their candidate

    Any chance of an independent like Ross Perot running?

    @Dennis February 13, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    +1

    @Steve

    +1 However, Sanders is a Communist, not a Socialist

  15. I have a good OT one. In Finland, the newish left wing government (socialists, communists, greens and agrarian centre party) in its latest legislation covering rights for parents to have maternity leave or some such, the words father and mother have been replaced – for obvious reasons. New terms are “the parent who gave birth” and “the parent who did not give birth”. Luckily, Finnish language can cover both these new concepts with two words.

    The same government will also import fresh 14-17 year old vulnerable children (bearded?) from Greek refugee camps.

  16. “Any chance of an independent like Ross Perot running?”

    None of them have Perot’s charisma. But Bootyjudge is so out of his league, it wouldn’t surprise me if he continued the freak show third party. He is NOT like Ross Perot. Will get few votes. Won’t hurt the Democrats any, even if he gets a lot, cause they are going to lose regardless.

    There is a perennial list of third party candidates who run for president, maybe a half dozen. Not necessarily independent, but their parties are so small people think of them as independents. Like Libertarian, Green, Constitution, Reform, Socialists.

  17. Off topic but this virus coming over from China reminded me that 1 in 4 people in the world is Chinese. I have two brothers and a sister and I often wondered which of us was chinese. Was it me, my elder brother Chris, my sister Susan or my younger brother Hu Chan Wu?

    I think it might have been Susan.

  18. There are no differences in policy between Sanders, Buttigieg, Warren, Biden and Klobuchar.

    Really? I’ve seen, but not heard spoken, the name ‘Buttigieg’ before (apparently it means “less fattening centre” in Maltese) but “Klobuchar” is a new one on me. Is it actually possible for someone aspiring to political office to have a name that sounds like the blow-back from colonic irrigation?

  19. There are no differences in that they are all losers.

    The Democrat primary season, the many months of it, are sound and furry.

    *Yeah, I know how to spell fury.

  20. Modesty indeed from the self-proclaimed Emperor Spud

    “I am the only person currently on the planet to have seen an accounting standard they created move to be the law in 90 countries”

    Although a typo elsewhere is telling…

    “I hate to disillusion me”

  21. Bloomberg, like HRC before him, is the Chinese candidate.
    WaPo Jan 1 2020 had an article by Michael Kranish about Bloomberg LP’s expanding business interests in China of an order of billions. Trump on the other hand ceased all new foreign projects when he became candidate. Mikey will find this awkward when/if Covid19 is proved to be a Wuhan Level 4 Lab escapee.
    Buttjudge is McKinsey and Silicon Valley’s chosen animatronic candidate but with glitches in his speech circuits creating word salad.
    Klubherchar lacks charisma and is too minor for the Dems to conceal her misdeeds.
    Bloomberg vs Bernie!

  22. @TMB – I am amazed that Pete Buttplug hasn’t caught on yet.

    @Dennis, M’lud – excellent summation of the Dems from one, depressing summation of the Tories from t’other.

    Going back to the original post: “Trump’s detractors said Trump was hoping to find dirt on the Bidens”

    This seems to suggest Trump failed to come up with anything. Is there anyone in the world who doesn’t see Biden jnr’s job as glaring evidence of corruption?

    If it’s not, then I’m polishing up the CV (adding the details I’d usually leave off) and seeing what the oil and gas recruiters can do for me!

  23. There’s probably no need for Trump to actively do anything with regards to the Bidens.

    At the moment, the clown show that the Democrats are putting on is as damaging as anything he can do.

    A few well placed tweets is all he needs to keep the pressure on and it’s always good to keep something in reserve (or at least have your opponents think so).

    It also highlights again, just how unfair and partial the media is.

    If the likes of CNN expended just 1% of the effort that they exerted trying to dig dirt on Trump on investigating the Bidens, I’m sure they could find lots of interesting info.

    That they are amazingly incurious speaks volumes…

  24. “Buttjudge is McKinsey and Silicon Valley’s chosen animatronic candidate but with glitches in his speech circuits creating word salad.”

    Excellent analysis!

    I ask myself, “Why is he on my TV?”

  25. Maltese friends assure me that an accurate rendition of Buttigieg sounds remarkably like butt-cheek (with the hyphen representing a glottal stop).

  26. @Gamecock February 13, 2020 at 8:03 pm

    I wanted Ross Perot to win in ’92, even here in UK pre-WWW many knew Slick Willy was a wrong un

    Buttigieg and Klobuchar – weird names Heve they randomley added some vowels to slavic names?

    Ingraham: an Obama re-Pete – Is he Obama, but white & gay?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-CjvxD6GQk

    Cough, Obama is half-white and more gay than Pete

    There’s a YT vid of Obama jogging/mincing down AF1 steps and across tarmac to salute marines: Gaydar went to 11

    Nancy Pelosi’s teeth are falling out
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYXqkQzXe0

    I was starting to think I was the only who noticed her weird mouth movements. Either she has dentures or something else going on like a reptile from TV Series “V”

    PS Every time I see Buttigieg I’m reminded of Butterbean
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14HDpEeu_EE&vl=en

  27. Gingrich: By Super Tuesday you’ll realize how big a threat Bloomberg is
    Newt Gingrich discusses the money Michael Bloomberg is spending on his campaign and slams him for cutting deals with the Chinese dictatorship
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANaQlLoJrZM

    When will Schiff and democrats give America the Russia collusion evidence that they promised? Shouldn’t Schiff be impeached for obstruction of Congress for failing to provide the evidence he said he has against Trump?

    Gutfeld on Bloomberg buying Instagram influencers
    Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg admits to paying people to post satirical memes on social media
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pBZ4OFkSos

    YouTube: How many ads do you want to buy?
    Bloomberg: 1 Trillion at 0.0001c each
    YouTube: Done and 100% discount if you hold a rally at Mountain View

  28. ‘weird names Heve they randomley added some vowels to slavic names?’

    Here’s the deal: Most immigrants came into the U.S. through Ellis Island. The clerks working there, processing each person, were just people. They asked immigrants their names, and did their best to understand the gibberish they heard. People’s official names became what the clerks thought they heard.

  29. ‘Trump is going to be President forever after he transfers his consciousness to a gold-plated 80ft tall atomic death-robot with 40MW laser eyes to own the libs.’

    Trump barada nikto.

  30. @Gamecock
    +1
    Bearing in mind the majority of such immigrants would have been illiterate, so had no way of checking the spelling. But some must have been literate to account for the fact that many German names ending in ‘ss’ (written with a ß) ended up spelt with a final ‘b’ – e.g. Straub.

  31. @Gamecock/CM

    This reminds me of the no doubt apocryphal story of the ancient Rabbi called Sean Ferguson.

    He had emmigrated to the US from some German-speaking territory in central Europe and when the first official asked his name, he gave in reply something that was long and incomprehensible so he was issued a new name and passed on to the next desk. At the second desk he was asked his name to which he replied “Schon vergessen” (Forgotten already) and so it came to pass.

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