How weird

The Labour party has formally adopted a definition of Islamophobia, arguing that it is vital to tackling the rise of far-right racism.

A party spokesperson said its national executive committee had adopted the working definition produced by the all-party parliamentary group on British Muslims “to help tackle Islamophobia, build a common understanding of its causes and consequences, and express solidarity with Muslim communities”.

The definition reads: “Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness.”

Islam is a belief system, one open to humans of all races, tribes and nations, closed to none. It’s exactly the opposite of any form of race or racism. So too therefore must be any criticism of it.

30 thoughts on “How weird”

  1. My concern with all the Labour Party anti semitism bollocks was that it would obviously be used by the RoP for this very purpose.

    ‘Islamaphobe’ = Someone who knows a bit more about islam than moslems would like.

  2. Labour puts the feelings of Asians and Africans above the actual lives and well-being of English people and can’t understand why English people have stopped supporting them.

    It truly is a mystery.

  3. Yet our new Attorney-General comes under fire (from the Guardian, no less) for being a Buddhist*. Is Buddhophobia a thing, now?

    * apparently the founder of her sect has been accused of sexual impropriety. Lucky no such accusation can be aimed at the founders of any other religion, eh?

  4. Bloke in North Dorset

    phobia noun
    pho·​bia | \ ˈfō-bē-ə \
    Definition of phobia (Entry 1 of 2)
    : an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation
    -phobia noun combining form
    Definition of -phobia (Entry 2 of 2)
    1: exaggerated fear of
    acrophobia
    2: intolerance or aversion for
    photophobia

    Its getting increasingly harder to argue that being concerned about the adherents to the religion of peace is an “exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear”. Its one of those counting the cutlery statement, the more they accuse us of Islamaphobia the more we should be looking over our shoulders.

  5. The article is dated March 2019. It must have slipped through under the radar last year when we thought we were just about to leave the EU

  6. Same could be said of Jews. I think Hitler was quite racist though , ( at the risk being called a woke Guardianista snowflake )

  7. Same could be said of Jews.

    No it couldn’t, lackwit. Practising Judaism does not make one ethnically Jewish. Hitler campaigned against Jews, not Judaism.

    There is no ethnicity aspect to Islam. It is certainly true that Britain’s Muslims tend to be browner than the average citizen. However this is also true of Britain’s Hindus and Sikhs, yet no-one seems to have a problem with them.

  8. WTF are you on about, Newmonia? With the exception of a relatively small number of people who convert – usually for marriage reasons – pretty well the definition of being Jewish is to be born Jewish. Many Jews would say one is Jewish irrespective of what, if any, religion one follows. So Jews effectively see themselves as a “race” whether you think they are or not. Being Jewish is certainly much more than a religion. A past girlfriend of mine was a staunch & at times proselytising atheist.* But she still identified herself as being Jewish.

    *Jewish atheists can be some of the most convinced & aggressive going. Virtually religious about it.

  9. ‘arguing that it is vital to tackling the rise of far-right racism’

    Their far-left racism is no concern to them. I get the impression their objection is to ‘far-right,’ not racism.

  10. Being Jewish is certainly much more than a religion.

    Yes, but we should be able to critique the religion without being accused of offending the race.

  11. Jewish-ness has for millenia been self-defined by Jews as being decended from other Jews, an identity that outsiders cannot join – or only through overcoming extreme hurdles.*
    Muslim-ness has for millenia been a prosthetising movement that encouraged and at times forced people to join.

    *From memory you have to go through the full conversion process and be turned down three times before being allowed in.

  12. “Yes, but we should be able to critique the religion without being accused of offending the race.”

    When exactly was the last time anybody at all tried a critique of the Jewish religion and left the Jewish people to live in peace?

  13. @ jgh:

    ” Jewish-ness has for millenia been self-defined by Jews as being decended from other Jews, an identity that outsiders cannot join – or only through overcoming extreme hurdles.*
    Muslim-ness has for millenia been a prosthetising movement that encouraged and at times forced people to join.”

    Islam, like Christianity, is a universalist religion i.e anyone can be a Muslim, whereas Judaism is an ethno-nationalist religion i.e you’re only a ‘real’ Jew by birth. Most religious, or Orthodox, Jews don’t regard converts as Jews at all.

  14. Ashkenazi Jews define Jewishness through the mother. But their DNA shows that their Middle Eastern descent comes overwhelmingly from males, the ancestral mums being Southern Europeans.

    So, does anyone know when the definition-by-mother custom was invented? And why?

  15. @deareme
    As I’ve heard it, the change-over from patrilinear to matrilinear goes back to the Cossack pogroms. A lot of Jewish women were raped & became pregnant. (And no doubt the male Jewish population suffered a connected decline) So it was a way of legitimising the result & preserving the culture.

  16. In disliking Jews, Hitler was of course in the same company as Karl Marx.*

    But shush about that.

    *”What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew.” Wrote Karl in his essay “on the Jewish question”.

  17. “When exactly was the last time anybody at all tried a critique of the Jewish religion and left the Jewish people to live in peace?”
    If you want some good anti-semitic jokes, there’s some cracking Jewish ones.
    And some people would argue the entirety of Judaism is a critique of the Jewish religion. But if you asked two Jews you’d three opinions

  18. “a prosthetising movement”

    That’s because of the IUDs, cutting off of hands, etc?

    I’ll get me coat.

  19. When exactly was the last time anybody at all tried a critique of the Jewish religion and left the Jewish people to live in peace?

    I was reading an article in HuffPo just the other day where a longtime Clinton adviser called Stan Greenberg was boasting about how white Americans would soon be a minority in their own country and that means progressive Democrats will be able to do whatever they want, forever.

    He went as far to say that it was fundamentally illegitimate and indeed racist ( 🙂 ) for white Americans to vote Republican, because by doing so they are denying “New Americans” their right to rule.

    I don’t think he lumps Jewish Americans in with white Americans, and I’m guessing probably wouldn’t caper with glee at the demographic demise of, say, Israel. But anyway, we may never solve the mystery of why anti-Semitism exists.

  20. @Steve:

    “…. we may never solve the mystery of why anti-Semitism exists.

    It has appeared across thousands of years and on different continents. It manifests itself for no reason in all non Jews; simply because they’re bad people.

  21. My long held belief is that Jews won’t let go of their culture/religion. Wherever they are embedded, they stick to their beliefs. Which annoys people.

    Muslims won’t let go, either. But that’s okay. Somehow.

  22. Labour’s Richard Burgon (Labour deputy leader contender) won’t sign anti-Semitism pledges
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZPTUfw3Tzg

    Dawn Butler MP, speaks to Sophy Ridge about her bid to become Labour deputy leader, being a visible minority and addresses the investigation being carried out by the EHRC into anti-Semitism in the party
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw07sspBwwI

    @BiND

    I’ve always maintained it’s not islamaphobia as avoidance & fear of RoPs is a logical reaction to their behaviour

    @PJF

    There’s no anti-Semitic, racist slurs or fleet of packed outrage buses when kosher slaughter critiqued

    Further, Judaism doesn’t instruct it’s followers to murder anyone who isn’t one

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