Spudda on politics

I am aware that the image is not the best: the point is that the red line shows that concern about the EU was entirely manufactured since the beginning of 2016: it was simply not an issue for the vast majority before then,

Umm, odd, that.

How was there the pressure to have a referendum (the bill was in 2015) if no one gave a toss. How come, when people voted actually about Europe then Ukip, the peeps shouting about the EU, did so well every time?

15 thoughts on “Spudda on politics”

  1. The potato gets it wrong every time. I thought the general consensus is that the winners write (or rewrite) history – not the losers.
    Beginning to suspect the potato is only writing his rubbish to wind up people – Tim he’s tryng to kill you- hoping you’ll choke to death on your cornflakes when you read his drivel.

  2. The EU , in the sense of our constitutional arrangements was not a big issue. Immigration was and is
    By the way Timbo I see you big mate John Redwood is saying things that strike me as “Murphy-esque”
    “UK Economic policy should be geared to growth and low inflation, not to state debt levels as the main target.”
    Also pretending the UK was subject to Maastricht fiscal rules which it simply was not
    He wants us to write off QE … drop interest rates, spend like drunken sailors
    Can you guess why he might wish to get a batch of counter recessionary emergency measures out of the blocks early…I have an idea ……

  3. Just curious – how does one “write off” QE?

    Unless you continue to renew it, every time such an acquired bond matures – and which is what must be happening currently, just to stand still – it automatically unravels itself?

  4. “Newmania

    I have an idea ……”

    Keep in it a box under your bed. Get it out every now and then to have a look at it. Then put it back.

  5. Dennis, Bullshit Detector

    Can you guess why he might wish to get a batch of counter recessionary emergency measures out of the blocks early…I have an idea ……

    Yes, but not a good idea.

  6. @ Dennis
    Newmania has posted just after the Europhiles have bigged up reports that the French Foreign Minister has claimed that the UK-EU negotiations over trade will be bloody. So Redwood wants our negotiators to say – “We don’t care about your threats – we’ve got an anti-recessionary Plan B which you lot obviously have not got since several of you are already in a recession”.
    Newmania just doesn’t want to tell us that.

  7. “The EU , in the sense of our constitutional arrangements was not a big issue. Immigration was and is”

    Amazing. The EU-consti arrangements stuff which gave us the tortured fiction of Thoburn (‘Metric Martyr’) and Laws LJ’s “constitutional statutes”, that, well that, was not a big issue. 300-odd years of parliamentary sovereignty buried under a landslide, with judicial intellectual and moral integrity a secondary casualty. No biggie.

    But immigration is? I mean, look, immigration is a big issue, I agree. But not a constitutional one, save perhaps in the sense that invasions tend to lead to new constitutional settlements. And yes, I know, Newms, it was just your usual slobbery word salad which makes it look like you’re saying that immigration is a big consti issue, and I doubt you meant that.

    But still. Wen yu aks yr wif 4 a kupotee duz she inderstid yooz?

  8. I have a theory that not many electors like the Tories, but they like Labour a whole lot less. So it’s difficult to tell the Tories what people think, because they get voted for to stop Labour. However, in the European Parliament elections, people could send that message, and they did so – first for UKIP, and in the last round, for The Brexit Party.

    The ‘nobody voted Brexit Party in a General Election’ is just plain stupid, because everybody knows that a huge vote for them would (possibly) have let Labour in.

  9. “Also pretending the UK was subject to Maastricht fiscal rules which it simply was not”

    It was subject to them, there were just no real penalties for non-compliance. Which may seem like a bit like sophistry, but it isn’t, as if you have signed up to do X, then you really should do X as a matter of principle, even if there isn’t a penalty for not doing it. If you didn’t want to do it you shouldn’t have signed up in the first place. One’s word should mean something.

    Or do you think the UK should sign treaties it has no intention of keeping to? That wouldn’t have done the reputation of the UK as a ‘Good European’ much good would it? Then again, France and Germany didn’t keep to the rules either, and they didn’t get penalised. Funny that……..

  10. I haven’t read it for a while but I did used to frequent Redwoods blog and I know the Fiscal Rules thing has come up on a number of occasions and been explained to Newmania who raised the same objection as here. Clearly he hasn’t taken any notice.
    Basically if we have been following the rules (which we have) then it doesn’t really matter as to the legal technicalities of the treaty, substance over form applies

  11. Richie applying denial with EU not important

    Same as Global Warming – Media & Politicians shout it’s most important issue, people say it’s not

    Interesting comparing 2017
    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-top-10-threats-facing-europe-according-to-europeans-2017-9?r=US&IR=T

    with 2007
    https://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/topics/fs3_challenges_40_en.pdf

    Two concerns of public have shot up – immigration & terrorism – wonder why? Media & Politicians shout it’s a lie, it’s not important

  12. it was simply not an issue for the vast majority before then

    He and his friends could get away with shameless nonsense like this four years ago, but now it is transparent bollocks. Unbelievable that they keep on saying it.

  13. @john77

    Littlejohn good today on EU
    My memo to Michel Barnier – No retreat, baby, no surrender

    …It’s time we stopped referring to the EU as our ‘partners’ and started calling them our ‘rivals’ or ‘competitors’.
    …We won’t be bullied. The City is big enough, ugly enough and powerful enough to look after itself.

    The EU is facing an existential crisis and is terrified that Britain will make a roaring success of Brexit, while Europe implodes.

    As were these MEPs
    – Greek MEP who rips Turkish flag in EU Parliament suspended for one week
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZEc5aOTB8Q

    – Irish MEP Barry Andrews urges EU not to punish UK for the EU to thrive, “UK is a trading partner not competitor”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEi4qvbW4Ic

    Funny
    – 10 best European Parliament bust-ups

    @Jim

    Spot on

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