How we know Phil Collins’ career is in the toilet

Genesis are reforming:

The British prog rock band Genesis have announce that they will reunite for a series of UK stadium shows in November and December. “There’s a Genesis sound which is still there,” said guitarist Mike Rutherford. “I missed it, it’s nice to play it again.

This is an observation old enough to have been a Mad cartoon back in the 1970s. The progression of a group’s name goes:


Phil Collins with Genesis*

Phil Collins

Genesis with Phil Collins*


All that’s needed now is for Peter Gabriel to come back and it’s the full set.

*These lines can be swapped as desired.

14 thoughts on “How we know Phil Collins’ career is in the toilet”

  1. Give him a break he`s nearly 70.Not a bad knock for drummer.Can`t stand Genesis, but I like some of Face Value. This concerns me, in that it precisely mirrors opinion expressed by Patrick Bateman.Eeeek
    This all looks a bit odd by the way,and as we know, all change is bad (especially the Brexit 50p)

  2. Wasn’t there this big Genesis reunion a few years ago? Never a big fan of prog rock, though Collins did a few nice tunes. I’m jaundiced about ageing rockers. Went to see John Mayall locally a couple of years ago, and was really disappointed. They lose their edge, and it’s better to remember them when they were good/great.

  3. Tractor Gent,

    “I’m jaundiced about ageing rockers. Went to see John Mayall locally a couple of years ago, and was really disappointed. They lose their edge, and it’s better to remember them when they were good/great.”

    About the biggest problem is voices. They get worse over time. It’s why Placido Domingo switched from baritone to tenor in his late 60s. Elton John and Macca sound dreadful now. Bono doesn’t sound too bad, but he doesn’t have the power he once did.

  4. BoM4: Domingo switched from tenor to baritone. He’s always had a great range and the timbre of his voice is suited to singing baritone roles, but probably the main reason he switched was because, having performed all the great tenor roles so many times, he got bored and decided to take on all the great baritone roles.

    OK, some age related vocal changes probably contributed but he just loves performing.

    He’s also gone from being a Spaniard with a latin attitude to the opposite sex to apologising for any hurt he may have caused to any women he chatted up when he was younger. (Although he’s now saying he’s not admitting anything.)

    The way the American Opera establishment has treated him over the #METOO nonsense is shameful.)

  5. The things we do for our kids……..

    “Collins, who has historically provided both drums and vocals, is thought to be unable to play the instrument due to a nerve problem, so the band will be joined by his 18-year-old son, Nicholas, on drums.”………

  6. Kevin B,

    “The way the American Opera establishment has treated him over the #METOO nonsense is shameful”

    I’ve come to the realisation this stuff is just an establishment thing. Every establishment. Organisations go from small startups to big places. They get rich and then the parasites move in. New organisations appear outside, but the parasites are still on huge paycheques but they’re all terrified because really, they aren’t worth that any longer. So, they get real nervous if there’s a PR problem, and if you fire someone, you won’t get the push.

    Like I’m certain that if James Damore had written what he did at Google 15 years ago, no-one would have batted an eyelid inside the place. I don’t think it’s co-incidental that Google’s innovation is also pretty much dried up. It’s a company that’s peaked and the people in there are pretty much living off what was built a decade ago.

  7. Saw Jeff Lynne’s ELO last year, great concert, he made good use of the backing singers and let them carry the load on some of the higher sections that are more of a struggle these days, all together very well managed concert

  8. I like Genesis and Phil Collins, first album I bought was ~1979/80

    Newmoania not liking is good indicator I’m correct

  9. “Do you like Phil Collins? I’ve been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn’t understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins’ presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group’s undisputed masterpiece. It’s an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don’t you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I’ve heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins’ solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don’t just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.”

    Patrick Bateman.

    Just don’t get him started on Huey Lewis and the News

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