Coronavirus plans

Yep, this’ll work:

So first, we need to federalize unemployment compensation and hire enough people at the Labor Department to staff it.

It’s as if these people have never actually encountered the hiring processes of the Federal Government. To say nothing of how efficient a single unemployment bureau is going to be when trying to cover 320 million people. And can you imagine getting in the Obamacare people to set up the computers?

20 thoughts on “Coronavirus plans”

  1. Incremental federalizing of everything.

    Gamecock recovery plan: get rid of Labor Department. Any many others.

  2. Bloke in North Dorset

    I’ve just been listening to Scott Adams on the Trigonometry podcast and he was musing that Trump’s plan may have been quite a sacrifice because he could well have bankrupt himself.

    Could be why he’s keen to get the economy going as soon as possible?

  3. Dennis, Bullshit Detector

    Actually, unemployment compensation IS federalized. It is, however, administered at the state level (you know, federalism and whatnot).

    Kuttner’s either too uninformed to know it and too dishonest to admit it. My bet is on both.

  4. Dennis, Offender of Krauts, Frogs and other Wogs

    I’ve just been listening to Scott Adams on the Trigonometry podcast and he was musing that Trump’s plan may have been quite a sacrifice because he could well have bankrupt himself.

    Could be why he’s keen to get the economy going as soon as possible?

    Congratulations. You now sound as stupid as Amanduh Marcotte, Rachel Maddow, Jim Acosta and Joy Reid.

  5. I saw some articles from MSM that implied Trump was just concerned about his business empire, though they seem to have realised in the midst of all this that it’s a stretch to push the issue, will expect to see it come back up when things whiten down and they start raking over every comment and decision.
    I do find it funny that they keep trying to blame him for shifting policy/approach while constantly saying it’s a rapidly changing situation and failing to see the connection.
    I think his more hopeful style of messaging, talking about get this over with, looking at next target date for review etc. is much better than other countries just shut up and stay inside until we tell you otherwise approach.

  6. Bloke in North Dorset

    Dennis, He Who Jumps to Unfounded Conclusions,

    You’d no idea what I thought and why I thought it, you only needed to ask.

    As it happens I think Trump has played the crises reasonably well, no worse than most leaders. He jumped on air and other travel to China early and followed up quickly with Europe & RoW. On that score he was well ahead of the pack, and I suspect not one person apologised for calling him a racist when it became obvious he was right, instead they carp he should have acted sooner.

    He was probably a bit dismissive at the start, as were many, but when it was explained to him with how serious it was he he listened and acted. He had the balls to change his mind on the need for some sort of social distancing when it was explained to him and has had the guts to make decisions that could impact his own business in the interests of Americans.

    Its no bad thing that he wants to get out of it quickly and if the threat to his own company focuses his attention then that is a good thing, as there’s millions of other businesses in a similar position. Its only a bad thing if it clouds his judgement and that’s all he thinks about, so far he’s shown he’s bigger than that.

    When the history is written objectively it may well show he put America above and beyond his own personal interest, and there’s few Presidents in that boat.

  7. Dennis, He Who Wants You To Show Your Work

    You’d no idea what I thought and why I thought it, you only needed to ask.

    I jumped to no conclusions, as I am well aware you are not a fool. I simply remarked that your comment sounded stupid… which it did. Had you elaborated or been a bit clearer there would be a good chance my comment would not have been made.

  8. Before letting the government take responsibility for even more stuff, how about making them do what they’re supposed to first? Like make plans for epidemics and stockpile gear for such eventualities?

    Its an instructive comparison to make – the private sector food supply system has just managed to switch at a moments notice from a large % of daily calorific intake being provided by the catering trade to virtually all food being bought in retail outlets. And barring a few glitches early on, its gone pretty well. Most stores now (2 weeks in) have all the food you could want, even of the high demand items. No one went without food. Contrast the State run parts of this crisis, and the utter balls ups they have made and are continuing to make.

    Yet we are told the former should butt out and the latter should take on even more crucial matters. When will people ever learn?

  9. “How about making them do what they’re supposed to first?”

    Like keeping millions of foreigners out.

  10. @BiND

    Have Trump hotels etc been closed like Hastings?

    From: Hastings Hotels
    Subject: COVID-19 Important Update – Temporary Suspension of Services
    Date sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:06:11 -0400 (EDT)
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    Temporary Suspension of Services
    .
    Following the recent Government announcement regarding COVID-19, it is with regret that we must temporarily suspend our hotel services. This measure has been taken in the interest of both our staff and guest safety which are of the utmost importance to us.
    .
    If you are due to visit us between now and the end of May 2020 your reservation will automatically be cancelled
    .
    If you are a Key Worker requiring local accommodation avail of our specially discounted overnight rates for The Grand Central Hotel, Belfast

    @April 4, 2020 at 7:22 pm

    +1

    @BniC

    Yes. Trump’s optimism, positivity and victory in sight is inspiring and much closer to Churchill’s attitude than BoJo’s “stay in your home” surrender

  11. – Trump: CDC advising Americans to wear cloth masks in public
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j13yNZISkec

    Trump seems very reluctant to be announcing this CDC ‘advice’ – says “I won’t”
    Mr Trump, Well done for opposing the health nazis who never consider where their taxpayer money comes from

    – Trump holds meeting with energy industry leaders on economy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwkYpK8hXBo

    These Guys do understand where taxpayer money comes from

    This is why Trump was voted as president. Imagine if Hellary was POTUS – She’d have started a war with China

    – Trump’s heated exchange with CNN’s Acosta on Obama’s pandemic record
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-xHsSK8HTw

    Excellent by Trump. Acosta shot down with facts

  12. Bloke in North Dorset

    Fuck me, reading this was sobering. Listen to him on Joe Rogan, he’s been on a few times, he’s no stooge:

    People who are dying of COVID19 will need first-rate palliative (hospice) care. This is going to be especially the case for people who are denied ventilators or who are taken off of them (i.e., who are “extubated”). Let’s talk about this painful and poignant fact. 1

    It’s not just a question of “optimal” triage polices for access to ventilators or ICU beds (now tragically being promulgated in hospitals around the USA). Rather, it’s a question regarding how will we care for the COVID19 patients whom we triage to allow to die. 2/

    Especially if we resort to battlefield triage as in Italy, we will need to plan for palliative care. This will involve drugs to relieve pain, dyspnea, anxiety, and other symptoms near death. This means we need opioids and benzodiazepines (e.g., morphine and midazolam). 3

    Dyspnea and air hunger at the end of life are truly awful. These symptoms are often worse than pain, and often harder to treat. Like other hospice doctors (and nurses), I have seen this up close. 9/

    In New York state (as of today, April 4), we are 5 days from peak demand. Yet we estimate a rough shortfall of 11,064 ICU beds and 9,427 ventilators. That is a lot of patients who will be triaged away from ventilators and who will need palliative care! https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections 27/

    As a hospice doctor, I used to say: “While we cannot stop your disease, there is much that we can do to care for you. And I promise I will not abandon you.” But how can we provide care without basic medicines? 28/

    Dying alone is also awful. This can happen to COVID19 patients for a number of reasons, including hospital policies related to reducing transmission to family members (given the lack of PPE to spare for them) and the frequent suddenness of death in this condition. 29/

    And before anyone comes on and calls me squeamish or any other insult, fuck off, I’ve been to war and seen people die. I also accepted that death or horrible mutilations came with the job. We’re talking about taking decisions here in the cold light of day and it could be any one of you relatives left to die, even if you are prepared to die in this manner.

  13. @BiND

    Calm down, he’s panic-mongering like nutters in vids below

    Read this:
    https://hectordrummond.com/2020/04/03/covid-19-scepticism-bullet-points

    – Filmed on her mobile phone then uploaded via her 5G WiFi Hub
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zO5exd3cAE

    – 5G Kills – Filmed on her mobile phone then uploaded via?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxV-CqWpl8

    Remember when Trains created? Nutters said too fast, we’ll die

    Gove condemns 5G health crisis conspiracy theories
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxMuVEDfXx4

  14. BinD–there are few nice deaths.

    But that is no reason to toss large numbers more into death’s grasp by dropping the economy in the shitter.

    What he describes is not unique to coro–Flu/Pneumo/TB/emphysema all have a similar result.

    Poss some means to oxygenate the blood directly and bypass the lungs could be devised. That should help.

    But no sense in thinking that the inhabitants of a rapidly wrecked economic ruin are going to be better off than a -slightly-chancier environment with a working economy will be.

  15. “Like make plans for epidemics and stockpile gear for such eventualities?”

    No give this to private companies as well they may make mistakes but think of the cost and the high failure rate if the State did it.

  16. To say nothing of how efficient a single unemployment bureau is going to be when trying to cover 320 million people.

    At the risk of pointing out the bleedin’ obvious, if they can tax 320 million people they can pay the dole to 320 million people.

  17. Taxing is the easy part. Government already subcontracts out to the private sector (unpaid, or more specifically, not going to jail) for most of it. Getting the money out from government is much harder as much bureaucracy is involved. See “shovel ready jobs” for details.

  18. “there are few nice deaths”

    Dunno. Every day I read in the obituaries, “He was surrounded by family.”

    I guess the call goes out, “Dad’s slipping. Better get to the nursing home.”

    Glad I never had to participate in such. But the obit writers clearly imply it was a “nice death.”

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