Forrin is forrin

She has since lodged an appeal against her public mischief conviction to Cyprus’s supreme court. The 12 men were released without charge.

The documentary will be a chance for Emily’s friends, who found her shortly after the alleged rape, to tell their stories for the first time.

The programme will explore “inconsistencies in the suspects’ account” of that night, with a former Home Office adviser re-examining the evidence.

Former DCI David Gee told the programme that if the alleged events had occurred in the UK, there appeared to be enough evidence to charge at least one man with rape.

And what was the situation under Cypriot law? After all, we have stopped this colonialist idea that we get to determine what foreign law is, haven’t we?

15 thoughts on “Forrin is forrin”

  1. Who knows? It is entirely possible that her story is true or that it is bollocks or that there is some truth in it. We’ll never find out and this documentary won’t help.

    It would not surprise me at all if the Cypriot police routinely dismiss rape allegations by British tourists because they think they’re all drunk sluts who deserve it. It would also not surprise me if she drunkenly chose to be subjected to sexual degradation and then couldn’t even remember who or even how many had fucked her.

    Her tale isn’t made any more convincing by the Guardian saying she claimed to have been raped by ‘up to 12 men’ or DCI Gee saying “there appeared to be enough evidence to charge at least one man with rape”. He doesn’t sound massively convinced.

    It is all rather depressing frankly.

  2. Not exactly a ringing endorsement from her pet plod,is it? Someone should have stopped her making this “documentary” which will only be of interest as a temporary diversion from a standard diet of porn.

  3. Former DCI David Gee told the programme that if the alleged events had occurred in the UK, there appeared to be enough evidence to charge at least one man with rape.

    What, like Alex Salmond?

    I don’t mean to be completely unkind to this alleged tart/victim, but maybe there’s a sensible middle ground between stoning women to death for leaving the house without a male relative chaperone, and letting them fuck around like an Aldi’s version of Caligula’s sexy parties?

    It’s really hard to believe/care about rape allegations of this sort when lots of young women behave like their Mrs Slocombe’s is the Blackwall Tunnel. She wasn’t in Cyprus to admire the Orthodox churches, and these resorts are a lot more debauched now than in the comparatively innocent 1980’s and 90’s, when nice girls might give you a handjob, but definitely didn’t fuck a 1st XV of swarthy strangers.

    Maybe the lesson here is, 19 year old girls shouldn’t go on sex holidays?

  4. Who would stop her?

    The media who love these narratives? The feminists who want to perpetuate the myth that all men are rapists? The family, who clearly believe that a crime has happened and their relative’s poor choices didn’t help that?

  5. I think MC has the essence of it. Not all rape claims are bogus–but pissed out of her skull is not a good plan at any time.

  6. Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker, as Ogden Nash pointed out.

    Women get drunk and that lowers inhibitions far more than it does men. They basically become like men, the base instincts for cock take over from all the higher level judgement stuff like rationing your eggs carefully.

    Then they wake up the next morning, all that higher level stuff returns and they think there’s no way they’d have fucked that guy. Because sober, they wouldn’t have.

    I suspect in this case, the video showed a woman getting fucked by a lot of guys and loving it, and the judge was like “this is a waste of time”.

  7. Bloke in North Dorset

    Steve,

    “She wasn’t in Cyprus to admire the Orthodox churches, and these resorts are a lot more debauched now than in the comparatively innocent 1980’s and 90’s, when nice girls might give you a handjob, but definitely didn’t fuck a 1st XV of swarthy strangers.”

    When I was there in the ’80s there was always fights in Aya Napa between young squaddies and young locals caused mostly by female tourists generally choosing young locals and other Mediterranean types. I don’t know if its more debauched now but the single soldiers who worked for me still reckoned they got more than their fair share of shagging the tourists despite that mismatch.

  8. BiND – For defs. I don’t think I’m sheltered though, pretty sure only bespoke hookers and the Krankies did “group sex” 25,30 years ago.

    There seems to be a complete absence of shame or restraint among a fairly significant section of Da Yoof. Younger people used to be embarrassed trying to buy a French tickler at the chemist, now some of them are having Bacch-anal sex that even Frankie Goes To Hollywood would’ve thought was a bit vulgar.

    I’m also sure girls were a lot more feminine and nice to be around in them days, compared with now.

  9. Surreptitious Evil

    I don’t know if its more debauched now but the single soldiers who worked for me still reckoned they got more than their fair share of shagging the tourists despite that mismatch.

    It got very bad for a while, and then all squaddies were banned. And the crabs too. Mostly for the fights and the drunkenness and the Russians rather than the shagging (dunno, wasn’t there at the time.)

    Last time I was there, it was off the prohibited list but you still got warned of (and off) certain areas and establishments (mostly along the lines of will take monetary and sometimes violent advantage of pissed servicemen. Noting that the servicewomen tend, however inaccurately, to be assumed to be sufficiently adult, or tightly grouped, to avoid those situations. Or establishments.)

  10. An ex Police colleague who moved to Cyprus and worked as a consultant to the Justice Department mentioned that quite a large number of Israelis who were accused of crimes, whether assault or sexual offences, usually managed to make their way back to Israel without being charged. Second were Russians. He never managed to find out why.

  11. Surreptitious Evil

    Shurely Cypriot law is rather more than just a little bit British?

    In the Sovereign Base Areas, yes. Not in the other bits.

    Republic of Cyprus law is a mostly British generated code law system – which incorporated aspects both of the pre-existing Ottoman law and Common Law (including judicial precedent) but has been materially re-worked both by the Cypriots following independence and again following EU accession (by both the Cypriots and the precedence of EU law, even, unlike the Germans, over their own constitution.)

    I think that the turks have monkeyed around with it somewhat less but I haven’t spent enough time north of the Green Line to have much idea.

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