Quaker economics is apparently very weird

Sometimes that membership is more important in my life, and sometimes less. But that is precisely the point: the form of attendance can be useful, but it is not what being a Quaker is all about. Action is. The Quaker view is that what people believe in is not as important as the action it gives rise to. After all, how can we ever really know what another person thinks when we usually struggle to be sure of that ourselves?

Cool, it’s just odd coming from a man who is usually insistent that revealed preferences aren’t as important as expressed preferences.

13 thoughts on “Quaker economics is apparently very weird”

  1. Off topic, but the BBC desperate to kick up some sort of race row here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52255863

    Only 14% of people in England and Wales are from ethnic minority backgrounds, according to the 2011 census.

    However, the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre found that 34% of more than 3,000 critically ill coronavirus patients identified as black, Asian or minority ethnic.

    You have to scroll down the page to find the completely obvious fucking reason – highly dense urban areas will have higher rates of infection, especially early in an outbreak, and the ethnic minority proportion of London and Birmingham, the worst affected cities, is much higher than 14% – in fact the article admits 40% for London.

    So the proportion is actually less than the population proportion for the areas in which they live. So why the story?

  2. Again and again we see complaints that BAME people don’t pull their weight in society. I’ll grant you the complaints are usually presented the wrong way round – nobody actually says “get a better job you buggers”, rather it’s “they don’t have good jobs because white bastards.” And now the white (and yellow?) bastards have aimed a virus straight at them. It’s so not fair.

    Still, nobody’s accused the Chews yet, there’s always that. How is Jeremy Corbyn, by the way?

  3. “The Quaker view”

    Quakers hold to a “testimony of equality”.

    Friends believe that all people are equal in the eyes of God… Friends’ attitude towards egalitarianism is also demonstrated by their refusal to practice “hat honour” (Quakers refused to take their hats off or bow to anyone regardless of title or rank), and their rejection of styles and titles (such as Mr, Mrs, Lord, Dr, etc.), simply calling everyone by their first and last name only.

  4. Surreptitious Evil

    Interesting, Andrew C. Anecdata but the two Friends that I know are both MDs and, professionally at least, used the title “Dr”. Things may have changed (our it may have been a sop to patient expectations that went against their principles but was a practical necessity.)

  5. @SE

    I think in that context there isn’t much choice is there? Being a medic, the “Doctor” is as much or more a statement of your role than it is a style or title, and in hospital settings that even is going to take priority over “Sir” or “Professor”. Similarly in the medical context, a nurse with a PhD will still be “Nurse Alex” on the wards but may be listed as “Dr Alex” on a university faculty website.

    Calling yourself “Professor X”, particularly outside a university setting, is pretty much ego-food though.

  6. @SE

    “Things may have changed”

    Things often do. It would be intersting to see which bits of religions don’t change.

    I can see the likes of Spud refusing to doff his cap (“A proud part of my religion, which I am proud to be proud of”) whilst preening himself with his title (“an old-fashioned part of my religion which I’ve moved on from”).

  7. Why on earth did Murphy did not get a job as a Platform Guard or as a Parkie?

    They both seem ideal occupations for an intolerant cvnt who likes issuing instructions and bossing people around, and he would have the uniform to show everyone how important he is?

  8. After all, how can we ever really know what another person thinks when we usually struggle to be sure of that ourselves?
    This would explain the hesitating, tentative style of his interventions.

    Rob: according to the 2011 census

    Those were the days…

  9. I always thought that the potato identified as a quaker to be able to mooch off the Joseph Rowntree charitable trust. No doubt now the Chinese have all the money he’ll start to identify as Chinese. Soon the sight of the potato lumbering around in a Mao suit waving his little book (the misery of tax) is sure to be a common sight in Ely.

  10. Why on earth did Murphy did not get a job as a Platform Guard or as a Parkie?

    They both seem ideal occupations for an intolerant cvnt who likes issuing instructions and bossing people around, and he would have the uniform to show everyone how important he is?

    Christ, he’d be walking around with a permanent erection during this ‘lockdown’

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    I always thought that the potato identified as a quaker to be able to mooch off the Joseph Rowntree charitable trust.

    I thought it was because a previous Mrs Spud was a Quaker?

  12. I’ve posted before that people become Friends either as Birthright Quakers or Convincement Quakers, but there are those who are Legover Quakers.

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