An interesting idea here

Crowded buses and trains: it’s the stark new image of Britain’s class divide

Apparently public transport is bad now:

But many commuters have little choice over their start times, or route to work. And so they have to risk their lives at the start and end of every day.

The coronavirus crisis has exposed what already existed – the inequalities we should have been aware of but perhaps for too much of the time ignored. We have had, crudely, a two-tier workforce for many years. While “white-collar” professionals have been able to relocate their screen-based work to home, others, mostly poorer paid, are now cramming in to overcrowded buses and trains to get to work, to complete a shift that provides barely enough to live on. And it is these workers – security staff, transport workers, construction workers, cleaners, as well as health and care professionals – who have been, and remain, most at risk of infection. And if they’re black or Asian, dying at three to four times the rate of white British people, they face a stark race inequality as well as the class divide.

Terrible, isn’t it? Guess we’d better not have any more public transport then, given that it’s so terrible and such a marker of our inequality and class divides.

31 thoughts on “An interesting idea here”

  1. The Meissen Bison

    to complete a shift that provides barely enough to live on

    Which is a good reason for doing more than one shift.

  2. “…transport workers, construction workers…health and care professionals…”

    Many of those people are well remunerated – eg tube drivers, bricklayers and other skilled trades, doctors and nurses…

  3. Guess we’d better not have any more public transport then, given that it’s so terrible and such a market of our inequality and class divides.

    Let’s do away with public transport so we don’t have to share the same space with the proletariat.

  4. ‘they face a stark race inequality as well as the class divide’

    And yet they still choose to be there. So things can’t be as bad as the Guardian makes them.

  5. One of the major reasons for the horribly high number of deaths in London was the overcrowding on tubes in the early stages of the outbreak when Tfl ran a vastly reduced service causing crowding despite a 65% reduction in passenger numbers.
    Sadiq Khan tried to excuse this by saying one-third of Tfl staff were absent, allegedly sick or self-isolating despite one-third of Tfl staff being a greater number than those reported sick in London at that date!!
    Public Transport is overcrowded and unsafe *thanks to* the “wonderful” staff of Tfl.
    There are a lot of good guys there doing their best but they are being let down by the minority of skivers.

  6. Margaret Thatcher is supposed to have said that “If a man finds himself a passenger on a bus having attained the age of 26, he can count himself a failure in life.”

  7. Thatch is supposed to have said things which she didn’t. Is this an exception?

    P.S. Supermac didn’t say “You’ve never had it so good” and Jim Callaghan didn’t say “Crisis, what crisis?”.

  8. Dennis, He Who Once Waited Tables

    “If a man finds himself a passenger on a bus having attained the age of 26, he can count himself a failure in life.”

    If she didn’t say it, she should have. I’ve said something similar on occasion to a variety of nit-wits who’ve worked for a roofing company I am involved in, usually along the lines of “Dude, you’re driving a monkey-shit brown 1977 Chevy Chevette and begging for a loan every Tuesday. You’re doing something wrong in life”.

    Anyway, here in the States it’s fun watching the progressives who’ve spent a couple of decades lobbying for planned, high density urban living and planned, high density urban transit for the masses suddenly discovering it’s all bad because it perpetuates racism, classism, etc. in the age of the pandemic.

  9. Margaret Thatcher is supposed to have said that “If a man finds himself a passenger on a bus having attained the age of 26, he can count himself a failure in life.”

    I bet she didn’t. It sounds more like the sort of comment a middle class lefty would falsely attribute to her whilst secretly believing it himself.

  10. Anyone under the age of 65 has a 0,004% of dying from Wu Flu.

    Commuters are more at risk from a traffic accident or being struck by lightening.

    How well the Government has instilled in the minds of the population that Covid-19 poses a fatal risk to everyone.

  11. ‘One of the major reasons for the horribly high number of deaths in London was the overcrowding on tubes in the early stages of the outbreak…’

    Really? All those 80 year old inmates of care homes hurtling round London on the Tube?

  12. “While “white-collar” professionals have been able to relocate their screen-based work to home, others, mostly poorer paid, are now cramming in to overcrowded buses and trains to get to work, to complete a shift that provides barely enough to live on. And it is these workers – security staff, transport workers, construction workers, cleaners, as well as health and care professionals – who have been, and remain, most at risk of infection. ”

    Cleaners on crowded buses? What hours do you think cleaners work, or security guards? They aren’t on the 8:20, they’re arriving at offices after 6. In some places I worked, the cleaning company drove them in by minibus because there weren’t buses. And if the office workers are at home, why are they even going in?

    Do construction workers take the bus? Can’t say I’ve seen a bloke with a bag of tools any time recently. They generally travel by white van.

  13. I saw some footage from Waterloo CCTV this morning (well, claimed to be from this morning; the departure board said 07:54). The Blue Tick on Twitter naturally saw the least interesting thing about it, that the people she saw weren’t wearing masks. She missed the completely obvious and interesting part – there were about two dozen people on the station in the entire sweep of the camera from left to right.

    Normally it would be packed with thousands at that time of the morning, and if “trains are packed”, they don’t seem to be going to Waterloo.

  14. “All those 80 year old inmates of care homes hurtling round London on the Tube?”

    But probably the care home staff did, and they are the “vectors” of the disease.

  15. It’s ironic. For decades now we’ve been told by the left that we should live more densely, take public transit, and bring our own bags for groceries. It turns out that that has its own set of possibly greater problems than whatever ills having your own home, car and letting the store bag your groceries were causing.

  16. To Herbert Morrison is attributed the phrase, “I’m going to build the Tories out of London”.

    Back in the 90s, I recall his then biographer du jour offering a modest wager to anyone who could demonstrate he actually said it.

    But, by ‘eck, it does sound like the sort of thing a Labourite of that vintage and type would say.

    Maybe that’s the point. Ships passing in the night, but Shirley Porter ends up unaccountably bereft of her fortune.

  17. CBC actually had a good video segment on the ‘overcrowded parks and beaches’ stories.
    They showed what looked like a packed beach then showed drone footage which clearly showed social distancing by groups.
    Also had a photographer go round and take shots at different angles using different lenses to show how the same scene can be viewed depending on side on vs face on. So a queue shows good distancing side on, but face on everyone looks on top of each other

  18. @ John B
    What dearieme said.
    But I was initially referring to the much higher of deaths in hospitals of those in Inner London boroughs that were heavily dependent upon Tube travel. Even the MSM commented upon that (in an aside to the topic of higher BAME deaths). That doesn’t need any logical inferences (child’s play to high-powered academics like him but more challenging for MSM).

  19. Surreptitious Evil

    Do construction workers take the bus? Can’t say I’ve seen a bloke with a bag of tools any time recently.

    Buses, no but I’ve certainly have seen this on the Tube when I’ve been forced to visit London.

  20. Ladas for everyone!

    Ladas are reserved for middle-level party officials. The rest of us will have Trabants on a 10-year waiting list, and like it!

  21. England can do socialism better than the Russians.

    Additionally, Dennis, high density population creates opportunities for terrorists. It’s easier to kill lots of people if they are bunched up.

  22. “Do construction workers take the bus?”

    I recall sitting on the tube next to six young lads who were obviously plasterers. Their conversation, enthusiasm for the job, would rival anything our luvvies could replicate.

  23. The rest of us will have Trabants on a 10-year waiting list, and like it!

    Goes back to the classic Russian joke.

    “I want to sign up for the waiting list for a car. How long is it?”
    “Precisely ten years from today.”
    “Morning or evening?”
    “Why, what difference does it make?”
    “The plumber’s due in the morning”.

  24. @TD May 14, 2020 at 2:48 pm

    Yes. Green BoJo: avoid public transport, travel in your ‘evil’ car (before we ban it). Parking & congestion charges suspended – No

  25. I wonder if the high rate of “BAME” deaths in London during this unprecedented in world history pandemic actually is institutionalised racism after all.

    The obviously more efficient use of public transport in the more enlightened parts of the world – utilising the wasted roof and side spaces – is clearly not possible in the capital of the global racist empire.

    The Victorian white supremacists who designed such narrow tunnels for the underground had clear and sinister motivation for doing so.

    We clearly need a public enquiry. Oh please Bame Doreen Lawrence. Descend from the heavens to deliver us miserable white sinners!

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