If you say so Nick, if you say so

As they were bound to fail. From the moment Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Michael Gove won the Brexit referendum in 2016 by promising we could inflict a shuddering change to our country without feeling pain, failure has been inevitable. The only wonder is that it has taken so long for the British charlatan style to die.

That does rather assume that the incompetence of the British state administration is predicated upon Brexit. A difficult claim to support I would think. It’s not as if previous, inside the EU, governments were noted for their ability now, is it?

39 thoughts on “If you say so Nick, if you say so”

  1. Of course! (Slaps head!) It’s Brexit not the COVID-19 lockdown that is shafting the economy! I’ve been such a fool! If only we hadn’t left! Why didn’t I see that before? Oh, right. Because it’s bollocks.

  2. If only we centralised leadership with a charlatan style to Brussels. And if we didn’t like we’d only have to persuade 27 other countries to simultaneously give it up. That’ll work out well.
    Seriously, what Cohen should argue for is devolving charlatanism to local levels. Seems to work in the USA where there must be an egg box full of State Governors who are populists, chancers and wasters. All rather fun. Or was it Toronto.

  3. Not that the BBC is pushing any particular agenda, of course, but funny exchange just now on the Andrew Marr show during an interview between Marr and Professor Sir Ian Diamond ONS UK National Statistician…..

    Marr “It sounds to me as if from what you are saying that we may be heading, indeed, for the worst death toll in Europe”

    Diamond “I wouldn’t say that at all”.

  4. From worldometer Italy is top with 28,710 deaths, UK is second with 28,131.

    No supporter of the beeb but with the UK’s open borders it is a real possibility.

  5. The Meissen Bison

    Columnists at the guardian all seem to be miserable and angry people, but none is more miserable or angrier than Nick Cohen. It must be horrible being him.

  6. Time for remainiac scum to be punished. A massive treason tax on all traitor cunts –esp Facepaint– might help offset the CCPvirus insanity a bit and it will knock the smug shite out of Face and the gang.Worthwhile for that reason alone.

    We also see how remainiac trash have witnessed the key to Project Fear done properly: The credible fear of death.

    Not the germ–it was a damp squib in itself from the start.

    The credibility was established for it by Hollywood over years of germ warfare horror shows.

    The Satan Bug, the Omega Man–3 versions (one of the best with Charlton Heston–the other 2 NSG), The Andromeda Strain, The Crazies, Death of Grass etc Not to mention countless Zombie films that realistically show the world dead–even if the menacing cause is of supernatural origin.

    Remember the crap “non-fiction” shows “After Man” etc. CGI-imaging a human-free world returning to nature. Very popular with eco-idiots.

    ALL of that apocalyptic cockrot did the credibility groundwork–so well that they say 1 third of fuckwits are scared to end the same lockdown that is moving to kill them far more effectively than any crap CCPvirus.

    No one not already traitor-scum like Facepaint was ever dumb enough to believe Brexit was a threat to life.

    Now Blojo has a dilemma –every day the LD is on our economic circs get worse by–they say 2.5 billion. Others have said 4 billion is more like it. LD MUST end.

    Buit as soon as it does people–inc a LARGE group of bedwetters will see how fucked they are and “Boris =Churchill” will vanish into history.

    This is also a chance for the good guys to make clear how eco-freakery is no longer possible and that our new poverty is only a very small sample of the evil green-freaks intend for us all. The foe holds the MSM but we must try to get that message out as best we can.

  7. 28 thou UK deaths –with or from? And HKflu killed 80 thou here without much happening beyond a few headlines.

    Given the LD-caused damage Bloj has another dilemma.

    Use swelled figures to try and justify LD–and have the scummy left screaming failure/incompetence. Or give true figs and have hysterics get a new cause from seeing they have been ruined over a damp squib.

  8. When it comes to the EU, it is a wonder that those who want to stay in it are unable tp articulate just what is so damn good about it. Project fear, yes, but never a list of all the things it delivers that we cannot do for ourselves.

    Cohen is indeed a sad misery. TMB +1

  9. Amazing that anyone is still arguing for the old days of being in the EU and the whole agenda of free movement still. Borders closed across Europe (where is your Schengen now?), EU countries blocking exports to a member of the union.

  10. Could be me, but given the track record of Labour I doubt the death toll would be any less, and quite likely a bit more.
    Never seen them do well in Rock – Hard place decisions.

  11. Time for remainiac scum to be punished.

    I’m not sure about being punished, but as TMB points out, they are suffering. Cohen is miserable AF, Grayling and Adonis have gone stark staring mad. Look at the frothing bitterness of our own illiterate Remoaner. They’ve lost and it’s fucking them up.

    It’s marvellous.

  12. Mr Ecks said:
    “Given the LD-caused damage Bloj has another dilemma. Use swelled figures to try and justify LD–and have the scummy left screaming failure/incompetence. Or give true figs and have hysterics get a new cause from seeing they have been ruined over a damp squib.”

    A bit of both, I’d say. Ramp up testing, get massively swelled figures initially (more tests = more positives). Then after a week or so it’ll level off, just because the most at-risk were tested first so later testees will be less at risk and should show lower infection rates. Then declare victory and start relaxing the lockdown.

    I’m hoping that’s what they’re doing now (although it might be optimistic to expect them to have a plan), but even so they should have started a couple of weeks ago. Probably would have done if Public Health England hadn’t insisted on them doing all the testing.

  13. The UK’s daily statistics now include ‘deaths in hospitals, care homes and the wider community’, but neither Spanish nor French statistics include deaths in ‘the wider community’ – deaths that largely take place in the home.

    There is no international standardised method for attributing and recording deaths, so effective comparisons with other European countries are difficult, to say the least.

  14. The government/PHE/NHS position is right now killing people. This link:
    https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    shows what a smart reactive medical system is doing to combat covid. This is a local hospital initiative using their experience and adapting to circumstances. The bit I want to point out is what they do early. First of all they recommend a prophylactic regimen, a bunch of OTC vitamins and drugs that at least will do no harm and in theory will prepare the immune system to shrug off the virus completely. The NHS don’t have that, but what they do have is ‘if you have symptoms go home’. That is completely the wrong thing to do. If you have symptoms, on the EVMS system, you get a test but you begin medication without waiting for the result. At this point you will get prescription meds too, which you might take at home or you might be admitted and monitored. The whole idea is early intervention and aggressive treatment. The NHS doesn’t do that. They give you oxygen and paracetamol. Now, UK hospitals may be following different protocols more recently, but the NHS is still telling you to go home with symptoms. And killing its customers thereby.

  15. Theo “There is no international standardised method for attributing and recording deaths, so effective comparisons with other European countries are difficult, to say the least.”

    O but there is. created by the WHO https://icd.who.int/browse10/Content/statichtml/ICD10Volume2_en_2016.pdf

    Which might be part of the problem.
    I have worked long enough with professional academic cataloguers and classifiers to know that the process can take precedence over any practical outcome.

  16. Bloke in North Dorset

    The UK’s daily statistics now include ‘deaths in hospitals, care homes and the wider community’, but neither Spanish nor French statistics include deaths in ‘the wider community’ – deaths that largely take place in the home.

    There is no international standardised method for attributing and recording deaths, so effective comparisons with other European countries are difficult, to say the least.

    Also confounding the problem of international comparisons are population ages and distributions, health, levels of urbanisation, the way populations respond to social distancing and lock downs etc.

    Without intervention each country will have a certain number of infections and deaths. Without knowing what the number is, all we know is it will be different for all countries, all we’re really doing is tinkering with the rate at which that final number is achieved. Comparisons before then are meaningless as the commutative distribution function for total deaths in each country may well be crossing again at some point in the future.

  17. It’s not a competition with other countries, it’s whether we are doing the best we can. My previous post points out that we might not be. (I am not a doctor or any other kind of relevant professional). I sometimes wonder whether the NHS suppresses any initiative. What, a bureaucracy doing that? Whatever next? Politics, that’s what.

  18. For a view from a different perspective, pop over to Hector Drummond’s site and have gander at Pro. Robert Watson’s take on things, as of yesterday, Saturday. All figures taken directly from ONS numbers.

  19. MC – as TMB points out, they are suffering. Cohen is miserable AF, Grayling and Adonis have gone stark staring mad. Look at the frothing bitterness of our own illiterate Remoaner. They’ve lost and it’s fucking them up.

    It’s been breathtaking to see the psychological deterioration of the clever people, the sophisticated people, the overeducated urbane metropolitans, over the last four years.

    They’ve gone from incredibly self-assured smuggery to crying and screaming like toddlers in real time, seemingly with absolute zero degrees Kelvin of self-awareness. This is who they’ve always been – not the intellectual masters of the universe, but weak, fearful, easily angered people who have nothing to offer the world except twisted words.

    Booza-Pitt: Francis—

    Urquhart: You really are utterly contemptible, aren’t you?

    Booza-Pitt: Well I wouldn’t actually go that far.

    Urquhart: No background, no bottom, absolutely no informing principle but the will to survive, just a plump little bag of squirming appetites!

    Chinee Virus 19 is just the latest in a long string of embarrassingly failed wunderwaffen that’s supposed to restore us to the status quo ante bellum, where the Twatocracy got everything it ever wanted instead of only most of it.

    No, no, no! The nation’s not for turning.

  20. @ Rhoda Klapp 10:37am
    “…the NHS is still telling you to go home with symptoms. And killing its customers thereby.”
    But, the NHS is safe. Mission accomplished.

  21. the psychological deterioration of the clever people

    Yes how the worms wriggle beneath the boot of Brexit. They are all in need of immediate “psychological” assistance somewhere chilly ..some bracing physical work perhaps. I have myself attended the WOP (will of the people ) clinic and realised that Brexit think is the right way forward.
    Enough bloody science lets get Covid 19 Done !
    I have had enough of scientists, doctors , facts (so called), and the fact we are not spending money on transport holidays and oil means an outright fiscal boost to” Our NHS” ..I mean thats obvious isn`t it. Spend less = more for me .
    Tell you something else as well , if by any chance I drop dead of being an ignorant senile twisted cunt … well if thats all you think of democracy and I clearly voted to be alive …then you have ceased to value this precious inheritance
    To be honest I don’t believe anyone is dead that must talking the country down. I saw Nigel Farrage on Question time and he said the numbers of people alive in the Uk is still way above the levels in Belgium… well he is clever too so that showed them. Losers !

  22. Who would put a treacherous and scummy mental case like you in a Labour camp Facepaint? You would need constant gyroscopic help to stand the right way in front of a rock-pile never mind break rocks.

  23. Newms – I’m literally on opioids rn and I still can’t make sense of your Remaino beat poetry.

    Should I try ketamine?

    if by any chance I drop dead of being an ignorant senile twisted cunt

    Whaddayamean, “if”?

  24. …if by any chance I drop dead of being an ignorant senile twisted cunt…

    Currently your chances are high. To stop them being inevitable, stop be an ignorant, senile, twisted cunt.

  25. I hope you’re not in horid pain, Steve, even if you were quicker and pithier than me asperusualyoubastard.

  26. Generalised country wide statistics are useless at the best of times. As we can see from the map of French departments eligible for relaxed restrictions, the covid experience is different in Alsace from Languedoc. Why blur these differences unnecessarily. What is required in Liverpool and London is not required in Herts Beds and Bucks etc etc. By the way, according to Zoe, cases under 300 k now. And half of them are in hospital. So keep London and Newmy in clingfilm and let’s just act as normal

  27. When the dust has settled, and we can do a proper comparison of excess deaths compared with a five-year average (so sometime in 2021 at the earliest), I’d be pleasantly surprised if it turns out the UK does not have the highest number of excess deaths in Europe. This is because we have one of the largest populations, greatest population density (the population of Central* England is >50% higher than any other similar sized area) and the largest city.

    * England with the far north, East Anglia and the West Country taken out – this is where >80% of English people live, in less than half the country’s area. On 2011 census stats (so probably a 10% underestimate), that’s over 45 million people in just under 64,000 km² – if you want to find somewhere else on the globe with similar numbers crammed together, you need to look at Java or Greater Tokyo (or, Tim’s favourite, Bangladesh).

  28. @Newmongia – thanks for backing my argument up so conclusively.

    @Steve – Should I try ketamine?

    I wouldn’t. I gave it a go once, lost all feeling from the neck down for a bit.

  29. Chris thats a very fair point and London is by far the largest and most International City in Europe which on its an is an exception.That said, each country comes with its own package. Due to its early industrialisation (and the carnage of cholera and the like ) this country developed an ingrained horror of “germs”,which ,allied to moderately Protestant puritan streak and long standing institutions has made it easy to deploy a complete lockdown largely by encouragement.
    At public works of all kinds we are generally slow,and so it has proved again hence the lack of PPE tests, workable broadband.
    I do think it is a problem as we emerge to have Michael Gove, who spent two years denying there was such a thing as expertise, reassuring ( shall we say), teachers, that they can safely run a National creche. We need to unlock early due to the Nations abysmal finances delivered by the Brexit liars who are now responsible for lives lost due to the narrowed options the UK faces having abandoned fiscal prudence. Cold hard fact.

  30. Bloke in North Dorset

    A bit OT, but our friends in Brussels have decided we can’t export any PPE, even if we wanted to, without their approval:

    As part of the response to coronavirus (COVID-19), the UK has implemented Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) 2020/568 to ensure an adequate supply of vital PPE equipment within the UK, the European Union, the EFTA member states (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Switzerland) and certain dependent and other territories.

    The regulation came into force on 26 April 2020. It will initially last for 30 days, until (and including) 25 May 2020.

  31. The Meissen Bison

    Steve – not if you have a smart head-collar on and you feel like having a whinny.

  32. London is the most international city in Europe.

    Whilst under the boot of Brexit.

    How do we manage it? Dunno, but the rotting corpses of all the foreigners I’ve slaughtered are starting to stink out the boot of my car.

  33. Neumonia: “We need to unlock early due to the Nations abysmal finances delivered by the Brexit liars who are now responsible for lives lost due to the narrowed options the UK faces having abandoned fiscal prudence. Cold hard fact.”

    Showing your facepaint again? 90% of the economic damage of Brexit has been done by Remain, who instead of accepting the voice of Democracy, threw everything and the kitchen sink at delaying and attempting to derail the inevitable.
    It’s not as if most of that hasn’t passed our eyes here… And you defending that lot..

    Completely unnecessary, and economically far more damaging than even the hardest and unexpected of Brexits could ever have been. Not just economically.. And that are cold, hard facts..

  34. Steve — We all hope you are all right and not in too much pain. I have prostate cancer; but I have so far refused treatment in favour of pleasuring my dear wife – and my mistress.

  35. @Roué le Jour

    Open borders to legal & illegal immigration during ‘lockdown’
    Farage Slams ‘Out of Touch’ Mainstream Media Saying People No Longer Care About Immigration
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLd_8xUo56I

    @BoM4 May 3, 2020 at 9:08 am

    Spot on

    @rhoda klapp May 3, 2020 at 10:37 am

    +1 NHS/PHE won’t do it as #OrangeManBad If MSM wasn’t #OrangeManBad too they may have been pressured to do it

    Australia and most of EU and RoW are doing it

    @BiND

    EU wrong as usual, other countries will retaliate

  36. @Newmania
    Thank you for your support, I shall wear it always.

    But then you do the usual leftist’s trick of extracting a bloody chunk from a quote to try and represent it as almost the opposite of what was being said. Gove had had enough of experts “who consistently get it wrong”, and who could disagree with that? See also Thatcher and “no such thing as society”.

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