How we know they’re talking bollocks

One of those little cant phrases that reveals:

The MPs, including shadow Commons leader Valerie Vaz, rail spokesman Tan Dhesi and ex-shadow home secretary Diane Abbott, wrote to Ms Patel expressing “dismay” at the way she used her “heritage and experiences of racism to gaslight the very real racism faced by Black people and communities across the UK.”…

“Very real racism” being one of those cant phrases. Anyone using it can be, righteously, told to bugger off. It’s as with “we need to have the conversation about” and “the achievements of Winnie Mandela”.

32 thoughts on “How we know they’re talking bollocks”

  1. This letter is pretty much the definition of gaslighting Priti Patel, is it not?

    One of the more disgusting things I’ve seen recently.

  2. The BBC isn’t helping the cause (quelle surprise) by posting interviews with black peoples experience of racism. These boil down to (in order of severity):

    * Being arrested (with no context as to why that might have been the case).
    * Name calling.
    * Comments that the person took offence at.

    That is all. The latter being micro-aggression as per the weasel words. I don’t see “very real racism” here. They are going to have to work harder to spin this into the “whole of the UK is structurally racist”.

    There is of course racism in the UK – the army probably is the best example. However, these do not demonstrate a pattern across everyone (or the white majority even). Context is everything – even the army example one needs to understand that if you recruit 16/17 year olds from council estates as grunts they are not going to be in possession of the most tactful brains on the planet. Has the army ignored this problem? Yes, in the past but not more recently. Just how do you train people to be vicious killers whilst telling them it’s bad to call someone names?

  3. Winnie Mandela was an evil murdering cunt.

    As Stompie Moketsie’s mother knows all too well.

  4. Is it actually illegal to be a racist? Because I am a racist. But I also have manners how to behave in public towards other people, I don’t go raving and ranting abuse to anyone. I keep it all inside my head. Could I be prosecuted or put onto some kind of register? Perhaps writing this is a mistake?

  5. The Northern Lad: ’ Is it actually illegal to be a racist?’

    It would appear from Tim’s examples that it’s actually a requirement to be a Labour politician…

  6. Anyone who uses the word “gaslighting” is prima facie someone who should be pelted with offal

  7. So, enlighten me. Are people from the Indian sub-continent black, or not? Are politicians of that ilk jumping onto a bandwagon where they will not be welcome in the future?

  8. The ‘very real racism faced by Black people and communities across the UK’ does not even begin to approach thousands upon thousands of young white girls being serially raped by a particular foreign creed.

    Can you imagine the outcry if the victims of this industrial scale bestiality were black or brown? But white? Shrug.

    By any objective measure it’s whites who are the victims of racism in Britain. Every other case pales to nothing in comparison.

  9. @ rhoda klapp
    No, none of them are black, any more than any African is black. They are various shades of brown, with northern Brahmins a pale shade and Tamils very dark – as dark as any, and darker than most, Africans.
    The argument is about who is “black” and Priti Patel is disqualified by being a Conservative. Only left-wingers are allowed to be classified as victims (unless the victim is dead and Lammy and co can lie about his politics to claim him as a socialist martyr)

  10. The Northern Lad: Could I be prosecuted or put onto some kind of register?

    Only a matter of time before the unpersoning begins.

  11. The right sort and wrong sort…

    “We need more positive Black role models. I specifically say Black and not Asian, because all too often the BAME tag is applied as a one-size-fits-all plaster to numerous issues. For example, Asian people from Indian heritage background are overrepresented in the higher medical and dentistry sector in the NHS and I suspect in the private health industries too…”

    (Mark Hendrick, Labour MP)

  12. Yeah it gets even more complicated when you realise that the Hindu Indian community, the Ugandan Indian community and the Sikh community in Britain have all been remarkably successful. But the Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities remain mired in underachievement.

    Despite the fact that they all got called Pakis in the playground.

    It’s almost as if there was another factor at play, one associated with the community’s own culture.

  13. We need more positive Black role models

    Only one I can think of would be Mo Farah. Has always said he was successful not because he was lucky or because of natural talent, but sheer hard work every day.

    All the rest harp on and on about how they have been held back “coz we is Black, innit”, especially multi-millionaire sportspeople and actors.

  14. “the achievements of Winnie Mandela”

    Ummm…wasn’t she very effective at playing Martin to hubby’s Gerry?

  15. “How about Anthony Joshua?”
    How positive a role model can you be if you suggest that black people only invest in, or buy from, black owned businesses? Normally, I would suggest that that, in itself, is racist, but then, of course, black people can’t be racist. To say otherwise is deemed to be racist My brain hurts!

  16. We are to surrender Western Civilization to losers.

    Seems to be going pretty well for them.

    Niki Haley (nee Nimrata Randhawa) as a girl in Bamberg, SC, could not participate in beauty pageants. There was one for whites and one for blacks. Being of Indian genotype, the white committee wouldn’t allow her, nor would the black.

    ‘she used her “heritage and experiences’

    Why shouldn’t Patel be able to use her ‘heritage and experiences?’

    The losers are trying to use blacks’ alleged ‘heritage and experiences.’

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    Henry Crun June 12, 2020 at 10:44 am – “Only one I can think of would be Mo Farah. Has always said he was successful not because he was lucky or because of natural talent, but sheer hard work every day.”

    I am sure that having a lying cheating dope peddling coach didn’t exactly hurt. But we have not heard the last of Mo. Don’t say a man is happy until he is dead. OJ would have been an excellent role model until he got into his white pick up truck.

    After all, two of Mo’s brothers are down for, I think from memory, sexual assault and robbery. So you reckon the apple falls far from all the other apples?

  18. SMFS, having met Sir Mo and spent a good half hour in his company, his brothers’ misdemeanors should have no bearing on his achievements. I too have a brother who is a useless lackwit. Why should that reflect badly on me?

  19. ‘Very’ real. There can be no degrees of reality. Something is either ‘real’ or ‘false’… it is a binary.

  20. ‘ But the Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities remain mired in underachievement.’

    Both groups from Theocracies where children spend more time studying the Koran than sciences and other subjects.

  21. You know I had no idea that Nikki Haley was of Indian descent. None at all. You learn something every day.

  22. So Much For Subtlety

    Henry Crun June 12, 2020 at 12:42 pm – “his brothers’ misdemeanors should have no bearing on his achievements.”

    Should they? Crime is caused by some combination of genetics, family, parental competence, and social environment. Mo shared a great deal of all of those with his brothers.

    Maybe it won’t affect him in a negative way. On the other hand the fact that he chooses a drug pushing coach suggests he may share their morally flexible attitude.

    John B June 12, 2020 at 1:28 pm – “There can be no degrees of reality. Something is either ‘real’ or ‘false’… it is a binary.”

    There is a German guy out here with a cat in a box. He wants to have a word.

    John B June 12, 2020 at 1:34 pm – “Both groups from Theocracies where children spend more time studying the Koran than sciences and other subjects.”

    And where cousin marriage is very common.

  23. @ Penseivat
    Jews choosing to invest in and buy from (as far as possible) Jewish-owned businesses has worked quite well at lifting Jewish refugees arriving with nothing apart from the clothes on their backs out of destitution. So it’s better than dealing drugs as a role model.

  24. “wrote to Ms Patel expressing “dismay” at the way she used her “heritage and experiences of racism to gaslight the very real racism faced by Black people and communities across the UK”

    Maybe Priti Patel understands that it’s a better idea to ignore the racists, work really hard and become accepted.

    Yeah, yeah, I know Uncle Tom. And you know what? “Uncle Tom” hindus and sikhs succeeded. You want to have people in your minority group accepted as valuable members of society, act in the ways that are OK with the majority.

  25. I’m okay with the emphasis in ‘very real racism.’

    Case in point:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ

    Interviewer asks people about voter ID (requiring ID to vote). Leftwaffe creeps he talks to universally describe blacks as pathetic. It is very real racism. He discusses the responses with some blacks. They are appalled by the absurdity of it. But there is no shortage of Democrats who will beat their chest and declare that requiring voter ID is racist.

  26. Well said Northern Lad. I’m a racist too, prejudice through every vein. The other day I settled down to watch the Olympic 100m, and saw 6 white guys, an oriental and a black guy going to their marks. I thought ‘oh, they’ve started with Round 1, Heat 1’.
    Stick a thousand equally educated Jews, Chinese and Nigerians on three equally sized fertile islands, and I’m not going to expect identical outcomes twenty years later.
    We need a movement “Stand Up For Racism”.

  27. Henry Crun: Get with the programme! Don’t you realise, personal actions are irrelavant, you are responsible for – and must be punished for – what your long-dead ancestors did, that’s only a side-step from being responsible for what your living relatives do.

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