Interesting question

There are three points to make.

First, the Office for National Statistics has not tried to correct the misleading impressions in its statistics issues today. Indeed, there is no suggestion that furlough may be distorting data in their publication: they simply say furloughed people are employed.

Second, this helps no one.

Third, it gives rise to the entirely reasonable belief that the ONS is joining with the government in issuing fake news. Because that is what we got today. And that helps no one.

Are furloughed people employed? Or not?

One thing we can guarantee is that if ONS had done this the other way around then Snippa would be complaining. But other than that, which is it?

17 thoughts on “Interesting question”

  1. By definition, you have to be employed to be forloughed from your job. How many of those won’t have a job once the furlough scheme ends is another matter…

  2. The ONS have taken the Brexit Lie Machine to task more than once, counting numbers of tests twice , counting kits posted as tests. Really childish lies, and these are the people who, when they are not testing their eyesight by driving at 70 MPH, expect parents to trust them about the safety of their children.
    Even a very right wing commentator like Tim Montgomerie has despaired with he Brexit clown show,and yes ,it is the Brexit clown show as the country is now being run by the Leave Campaign team.
    Its odd that supp0sed Libertarians are so quick to fawn over this uncountable top down and predictably incompetent command structure.

    Stop genuflecting and join the resistance worms

  3. Another question that Newmy lacks the intelligence to answer. So he has to dance around in his spittle

  4. Violet Elizabeth Rochester-Murphy is pacing the attic, scratching the walls and rocking desperately in the corner muttering to xerself.

    No one is listening to xer and no one cares.

  5. The Meissen Bison

    You can only take a machine to task if you don’t know the meaning of taking someone to task.

    I’m blowed if I’m going to join resistance worms, whatever they are.

    As for genuflecting? Neejit!

  6. Furloughed people may be counted twice however.
    My wife has been working for a courier company for a few years, a chunk of the agency staff they have been using during lockdown are people on furlough from other jobs.
    So say a grand take home pay from furlough plus say another 700 from agency work in a month…. onto a good thing if they want to work.

  7. Another masterful creation by Spud. He makes three points.

    The statistics are misleading
    That helps no-one
    The statistics are misleading and that helps no-one.

  8. Are furloughed people employed? Or not?

    They are Scrodinger employees. We won’t know if they are employed or unemployed until we “open the box” and find out

  9. You can only take a machine to task if you don’t know the meaning of taking someone to task.

    Meissen … Are you by any chance foreign? If I say the Bath scrum is a machine,do you suppose I have uncovered an elaborate plot involving robots? If I say that an administrative task is Labyrinthine, do you think it is an actual labyrinth?
    Similarly, if I tell you to stick your trite ill-educated observations up your arse, you fucking woman ..I am using some appropriate imagery to convey my opinion, not a literally instructing you.
    Take it how you will……

  10. Give me a break, it’s only those on the left that harbour the notion that Conservative Home is “very right wing”? It is anything but!

    Apologies if you were being serious – I did (genuinely) assume it was just a bit of banter on your part.

  11. On a dark desert highway, COVID in the air
    No smell of colitas could I sense anywhere
    Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
    My brow grew fevered and my cough was dry
    I had to stop for the night
    There she stood in the doorway
    I heard the Thursday clap
    And I was thinking to myself
    “This could be Heaven, or could be a trap”
    Then she cranked up the model and she showed me the R
    There were voices down the corridor
    I heard them from afar

    Welcome to the Hotel Lock-ya-downia
    Such a lovely scene (Such a lovely scene)
    For your quarantine
    Furloughin’s good at the Hotel Lock-ya-downia
    Any time of year (Any time of year)
    You’ll get free cash here

    Her mind is socially distanced, she got an improvised mask
    She got a lot of pretty, pretty boys she can ask
    To wash their hands in the fountain, soap makes them clean
    Some sing Happy Birthday, some sing of Jolene

    So I called up the Captain
    “Wine, or I’ll parch”
    He said, “We haven’t had a pub round here since twenty-third of March.”
    And still that choir is calling for you to join them
    But don’t do it ‘cos you’ll spread the germ
    Unless you’re BLM

    Welcome to the Hotel Lock-ya-downia
    Such a lovely scene (Such a lovely scene)
    For your quarantine
    Leave plenty of room at the Hotel Lock-ya-downia
    If you’re track-n-traced (if you’re track-n-traced)
    You must isolate

    Smoke-and-mirror finances
    Economy on ice
    And she said “We are all just prisoners here, of our own device”
    And in the master’s chambers
    They try to build an app
    They test it on the Isle of Wight
    But it just turns out like cr*p

    Last thing I remember
    I was running for the door
    I had to find a passage back to the normal as before
    “Relax” said Matt Hancock,
    “We are programmed to deceive
    You can unlock any time you like
    But you can never leave!”

  12. The Meissen Bison

    Pneumie – thanks for your dear message, impenetrable as always.

    I should never think you capable of uncovering an elaborate plot whether or not it involved robots. If you were to make such a claim most of your friends here would sadly just add this fantasy to your list of symptoms. If you were to claim that something was labyrinthine the ready conclusion must be that the labyrinth was a regrettable feature of your condition.

    If you were to urge anyone to stick their trite ill-educated observations up their rear end or indeed any material object more readily susceptible of being lodged there, I should advise those in control to remove all mirors from your confinement.

  13. On the other hand, when something thinks you are “genuflecting”, that is an observable fact, which is either true or false, even if the genuflection is metaphorical. I don’t see anyone here genuflecting in any way to the current government.

    On the other hand, just what is a “resistance worm”?

  14. Brilliant by AGN
    Excellent too by BraveFart despite the spelling
    Not so good by Newmania who once again failed to make a case for why centralisation to Brussels in return for an 8-9% say in how some other countries do things is a net +ve.

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