Nesrine Malik does rather grate

A Sudanese – Arab by background I think – telling us how appalling is American racism.

Sure, it exists and it ain’t good. But the source does grate.

47 thoughts on “Nesrine Malik does rather grate”

  1. Bloke in North Dorset

    I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea but this from David French is quite moving on what racism means in the USA.

    Then, where I sit changed, dramatically. I just didn’t know it at the time. I went from being the father of two white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed kids to the father of three kids—one of them a beautiful little girl from Ethiopia. When Naomi arrived, our experiences changed. Strange incidents started to happen.

    There was the white woman who demanded that Naomi—the only black girl in our neighborhood pool—point out her parents, in spite of the fact that she was clearly wearing the colored bracelet showing she was permitted to swim.

    There was the time a police officer approached her at a department store and questioned her about who she was with and what she was shopping for. That never happened to my oldest daughter.

    There was the classmate who told Naomi that she couldn’t come to our house for a play date because, “My dad says it’s dangerous to go black people’s neighborhoods.”

    Let’s perform a thought experiment (I did this on our Dispatch Live event this week, so I apologize to readers who’ve already heard it.) Let’s optimistically imagine that only one out of 10 white Americans is actually racist. Let’s also recognize that—especially in educated quarters of white America—racism is condemned and stigmatized. If this is the reality, when will you ever hear racist sentiments in your daily life? The vast majority of people you encounter aren’t racist, and the minority who are will remain silent lest they lose social standing.

    But imagine you’re African American. That means 10 percent of the white people you encounter are going to hate you or think less of you because of the color of your skin. You don’t know in advance who they are or how they’ll react to you, but they’ll be present enough to be at best a persistent source of pain and at worst a source of actual danger. So you know you’ll be pulled over more, and in some of those encounters the officer will be strangely hostile. The store clerk sometimes follows you when you shop. A demeaning comment will taint an otherwise-benign conversation. Your white friends described in the paragraph above may never see these things, but it’s an inescapable part of the fabric of your life.

    This is how we live in a world where a white person can say of racism, “Where is it?” and a black person can say, “How can you not see?”

    He’s certainly given me pause for thought.

    Oh, and the attacks on him and his wife for adopting a black girl were truly despicable.

  2. The Meissen Bison

    @BiND – that’s an interesting piece. The three incidents cited there demonstrate mistrust rather than crude racism and the mistrust stems from a conception of how black people might behave. The third incident: “My dad says it’s dangerous to go black people’s neighborhoods.” isn’t even relevant to the specific situation, I imagine, and reflects an all encompassing attitude.

    The question is whether this mistrust is reasonable given the experience of the population at large.

  3. If 70% of black families were still in wedlock as 70-80 years ago and had the welfare wonderland of leftist evil–inc evil black leftists like Jackson/Sharpton etc–never happened then I wonder if those “incidents” BiND refers to–assuming they ever DID happen –would have happened.

    And keeping out of US black neighbourhoods is a very good idea–more so if you are black.

  4. BinND… So what do they want us to do that we’re not doing now? Do we hug black people closer, patronise them more that we already do. I’m game…anything for a quiet life. What exactly, though?

  5. “But imagine if you’re African American. That means 10% of the white people you encounter are going to hate you or think less of you because of the colour of your skin”.

    So what about if you are white? Is it the same 10% of blacks who hate you? Is it more or is it less than 10%? It’s an increasingly pertinent question as recent events have confirmed that black people are considerably more likely to react physically against something they hate.

    I’m not belittling your views but for heavens sake please see that they cannot continue to be supported at higher and higher levels, both numerically and structurally, while completely ignoring the converse. We’re not all going to take a knee.

  6. “Let’s optimistically imagine that only one out of 10 white Americans is actually racist.”

    Whilst naively imagining that 0% of other ethnic groups are racist.

    “And keeping out of US black neighbourhoods is a very good idea–more so if you are black.”

    For every African American killed by the police, 19 are killed by other African Americans (who aren’t policemen).

  7. “Do blacks not exhibit racism towards whites?”

    You’re new to woke culture, aren’t you…?

  8. @Mr Lud
    “Do blacks not exhibit racism towards whites?”
    My pal here is a predominantly negra mulata. She is intensely racist towards people like her. She prefers to have nothing to do with them. My first black (by current definition – mixed race Caribbean) girlfriend, in London, was one of four sisters. All who chose to have white boyfriends. Kept as far away from black guys as possible. Blacks can be racist about all sorts of people.

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    He’s certainly given me pause for thought.

    It doesn’t give me pause for thought at all. Not one of those cases can reasonably be described as racism. A friend of mine has two children. They do not share a surname. When they go through Heathrow, the aurthorities give them a hard time and want to know who she is, what she is doing and where she is going. Because names do not match. Something stands out.

    If you see a little Black girl all by herself, the sensible thing to do is ask where her parents are. The natural assumption is, you know, they are also Black. That is not racism.

    David French is the very definition of an arsehole. Ace of Spades is less generous and uses words like Pharisitical. And cuck. I tend to agree with AoS.

  10. Given our host’s location, and the ref to black children, it may interest that Pickaninny is derived from Portuguese (pequinino)

  11. But imagine you’re African American. That means 10 percent of the white people you encounter are going to hate you or think less of you because of the color of your skin. You don’t know in advance who they are or how they’ll react to you, but they’ll be present enough to be at best a persistent source of pain and at worst a source of actual danger.

    So how does that imagined ‘racism’ translate into action? The fact is that whites are many times more likely to be violently attacked, raped or murdered by blacks than the reverse; so perhaps when white people are wary around blacks, which may be perceived as racism, it’s entirely justified?

    (According to the Bureau of Justice between 2012 and 2015, on average 540,873 whites were violently attacked by blacks, while 92,728 blacks were violently attacked by whites every year.)

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf

  12. @BiND: ’ the attacks on him and his wife for adopting a black girl were truly despicable.’

    One of those ‘attacks’ was a friend of the daughter saying her parents told her she couldn’t come over because black peoples neighbourhoods were dangerous.

    Do you maybe thinK they might have had a point?

  13. According to the Bureau of Justice between 2012 and 2015, on average 540,873 whites were violently attacked by blacks

    Funnily enough, that makes the average lifetime chance of a white American being violently attacked by a black American around 13%.

    Let’s optimistically imagine that only one out of 10 white Americans is actually racist.

    Yes, let’s. I wonder why this might be?

    If those 3 nothing incidents are all French can find to point to America’s racism, then congratulations America! Pour yourself a cold one, your ‘racism’ is so minor as to be almost undetectable. Unless you really try, and if you include things (the swimming pool incident) that obviously have fuck all to do with racism and statements (about black neighbourhoods) that are true, but uncomfortable.

  14. Also: when will you ever hear racist sentiments in your daily life?

    The internet is full to the brim of racism towards white people and the thugs in the US riots weren’t holding back either.

    White Americans don’t generally encounter racism face-to-face because they steer well clear of black neighbourhoods.

  15. BiS
    When I were a lad the local West Indians looked down on the Africans. They thought of them as coming straight out of the trees.

    The inter island rivalry was pretty intense too.

  16. There was a study of NYC taxi drivers years ago. They were indeed prejudiced. They avoided picking up young black males who weren’t in business suits and were reluctant to take anyone to an address in disreputable black areas of the city.

    The thing was that this prejudice was shared by white and black taxi drivers. In more recent times you could probably add Asians to that list.

    The prejudice is held because the stereotype has so much truth in it.

    “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps… then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” Jesse Jackson

    When I was an undergraduate anyone black I came across would be part of the University or a teaching hospital. Different world.

  17. BiND – I find it, eh… interesting… that Mr French and his wife flew halfway across the planet to Ethiopia to buy adopt an African child.

    There’s no shortage of black American children in need of fostering or adoption. Are they not exotic enough for the Frenches? I don’t mean to be unkind, but these white people (and it’s always white people) who shop around the world for vanity adoptions strike me like people who insist on owning expensive novelty breeds of pet.

    And what about their actual, biological children? An adopted child will likely soak up a huge amount of their parents’ time and resources. Is that fair to them? The Frenches like to signal their Churchianity – what did Jesus say about taking the children’s bread? What did God promise Isaac?

    Steve is fully in favour of adoption, mind. But as a traditionalist, I believe adoption should be a boon for courageous and most puissant knights who distinguish themselves in fighting your enemies.

  18. when will you ever hear racist sentiments in your daily life?

    I’m English and I live in Wales. Yes, daily.

  19. Ottokring… My experience in South London was the opposite. The Johnny-come-lately West Africans tended to be middle class professions, and their children dominated the better (Catholic) state schools. The Afro-Caribbean crowd were most put out that, yet again, they’d been leapfrogged by another minority group.

  20. So Much For Subtlety

    Oh, and the attacks on him and his wife for adopting a black girl were truly despicable.

    I agree. But then so is the shameless exploiting of his daughter fo0r the purposes of moral preening achieved by smearing the majority of his countrymen as racists.

    But I fear he is right. America is irredeemably racist. Always has been. Always will be. We need to organised an intervention. To save his daughter from being raised in such a hellhole. To place her somewhere safe. Addis Ababa perhaps? Liberia might do.

    It is interesting that he used to think that he was saving this girl. He seems to have changed his mind. I wonder why.

    Stacey McCain has his number:

    https://theothermccain.com/2020/06/07/a-21st-century-mrs-jellyby/

  21. So what do they want us to do that we’re not doing now? Do we hug black people closer, patronise them more that we already do. I’m game…anything for a quiet life. What exactly, though?

    Exactly wash their feet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=x-ZdAIPJ9RM&feature=emb_logo
    Police officers wash the feet of Black faith leaders and beg for forgiveness in Cary, NC

    It doesn’t appear to be police officers doing the actual washing, though. After the intro that doesn’t sound like a southern twang on the grovelphone; no, that accent is distinctly Guardian-reader.

    (quietly anticipating Steve’s response)

  22. The Meissen Bison

    Come to think of it, isn’t giving an Ethiopian girl a Jewish name a bit, er, y’know, racist?

  23. The Frenches like to signal their Churchianity – what did Jesus say about taking the children’s bread? What did God promise Isaac?

    Worshiping blacks has replaced Christianity as the preferred religion of upper middle class America. See the foot washing video above.

  24. Dennis, Clear-Eyed As Always

    Bloke in North Dorset –

    Before you get too misty eyed about David French’s tale of the irredeemable racism of (Trump supporting) Middle America, realize that French is a Never Trumper who has never written about racism before.

    He writes about it now only in the context of using racism to batter his political opponents over the head. The congressional district where George Floyd lived and died is represented in the House by Ilhan Omar. That district voted for Hillary Clinton by more that 2 to 1. In Minneapolis, the mayor has been a Democrat since 1974 and the city council has had a Democrat majority since 1978.

    If French was truly serious about exploring racism in America, (1) he’d have started a while ago… say when Clinton, Bush or Obama was POTUS, and (2) he’d be asking how a city run by progressive Democrats for over 40 years managed to allow a “racist” police department exist while being under their direct control.

    David French is a fraud and a grifter. And now he’s using an adopted black child as a prop to score political points in a game no one outside of Washington DC’s chattering classes gives a shit about.

  25. When you come to realise that there is nothing you can do to expunge your guilt, you will always be a racist, then you realise you need to do nothing. If you can’t win, don’t play.

  26. Jerry – Say what you will about the faithless ancient Hebrews, but they at least had the good taste to worship a gold cow instead of some random Ethiop. You’re much less likely to get stabbed that way.

    As with most things baizuo tho, I suspect the blacks aren’t really the object of their adorations, they’re merely props in opportunities to worship their own completely imaginary virtue.

    Chesterton was right, you see. For example, one rarely hears the Pope talk about the Gospel, but he has a lot to say about climate change, “refugees” and other secular fetish totems.

    Christianity is not a religion for weak men, which is why Churchians have kept the hats and dresses but quietly dumped Christ. WWAD? (What Would Aslan Do?) Lions, I tell ye. It always comes back to lions.

  27. Given that the Minneapolis council have just voted to abolish the police force how long before Minneapolis is twinned with Mogadishu?

  28. Dennis: Oppressor, Warmonger, Capitalist and Consumer of Petroleum Products

    Flubber –

    There hasn’t been a vote. 9 of Minneapolis’ 12 council members have “pledged” to abolish the police force. If all 9 do vote to abolish it, then their vote is veto proof. But the devil is always in the details, and whether they actually go through with it remains to be seen. Personally, I doubt it. There is going to be a lot of behind the scenes pushback on this, and I suspect the council members will get out of it by failing to agree on what sort of organization is to take the place of the police department.

  29. So Much For Subtlety

    Flubber June 8, 2020 at 1:50 pm – “Given that the Minneapolis council have just voted to abolish the police force how long before Minneapolis is twinned with Mogadishu?”

    CNN is desperately trying to spin this. They are saying that if someone is in your home and you pick up the phone, someone will still come. Yeah. Right.

    The BBC has just had a little Middle Eastern moppet interviewing a more honest gentleman. No, he says abolishing it means abolishing it. She kept asking him leading questions. No, they mean it. She asked him what sort of alternative model they had in mind. Well none it seems.

    The BBC is promising community consultation on alternatives. And my favourite – community self-protection. Oh please Lord, I don’t ask for much. But please let our communities protect ourselves.

  30. The Meissen Bison

    @Jonathan/PJF

    Apologies for being unclear. Blodwyn would have been no more or less appropriate than Naomi: both would constitute aggravated cultural appropriation.

    I meant that an Ethiopian girl should ideally have an Ethiopian name because in Ethiopia that’s the way of things.

    At least she wasn’t called Biff.

  31. BLM.

    British Lives Matter. Belgian, Basque, and Breton Lives matter. And Bolivian, Brazilian, Botswanan, Bhutanese, …

    For we are equal in the eyes of the Lord.

  32. “I meant that an Ethiopian girl should ideally have an Ethiopian name because in Ethiopia that’s the way of things.”

    Like, I dunno, Mary? Mariam? They being a Christian nation n’all?

  33. As a leftist shithole Minn presumably has leftist anti-gun laws.

    Now that the leftist scum plan to wipe their arse on the–always false–bit of the “social contract” about you not needing to protect yourself because the state is doing it for you –then the time for the formerly unarmed to tool up must be approaching –state-approved or not.

  34. BinND… So what do they want us to do that we’re not doing now? Do we hug black people closer, patronise them more that we already do. I’m game…anything for a quiet life. What exactly, though?

    @Bernie G – You kneel bitch, like the slave you are before your BLM masters.

    Given that the Minneapolis council have just voted to abolish the police force how long before Minneapolis is twinned with Mogadishu?

    Import Somalia->Elect Somalia->Become Somalia

    The electorate of Minneapolis need to receive the full measure of consequence for their actions. I have absolutely no sympathy at all.

    As a leftist shithole Minn presumably has leftist anti-gun laws.

    Sure, but it still beats my rights here in Scotland (pretty much zero). No surprise that gun sales are going through the roof. Thank god for the second amendment.

    MN Gun Laws

  35. “it still beats my rights here in Scotland (pretty much zero)”

    Really, are they so inferior to those in England? In Scotland do people shoot grouse with catapults, stalk deer with peashooters?

  36. So Much For Subtlety

    The Meissen Bison June 8, 2020 at 2:35 pm – “Mariam, as in Mengistu Haile Mariam, is for chaps, I think.”

    You mean like José María Aznar means Maria is for chaps too? Or how the other Irish prat on every other TV programme, Gay Bryne, who was born Gabriel Mary Byrne?

    Come to that, one of those executed for the Easter Uprising went by the wonderful name of Seosamh Máire Pluincéid. Which would be Joseph Mary Plunkett to you and me.

  37. @SMFS
    It used to be traditional in Ireland to name the first daughter Mary in honour of the Mother of God. However, if the first born is a son, he was often given Mary as a second name just in case a daughter never came along.

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