No, really, this is super

Graham says:
June 7 2020 at 1:32 pm
Couple of points I’m not clear about from your article:

– why would (say) Spain interrupt the trade in tomatoes etc to the UK regardless of any deal? Surely this would have serious consequences for Spanish farmers.

Richard Murphy says:
June 7 2020 at 2:04 pm
I think Spain my block exports for fear of getting Covid 19 back, yes

Er, what?

Banks transfers spread Covid-19 now?

26 thoughts on “No, really, this is super”

  1. Does he not mean Spain might block its exports of food in case it suffers its own food shortages if it has to lock down again, or something like that. Difficult to deduce the logic of a fist-typer fvckwit with a limited vocabulary.

  2. @ Bravefart
    Last time I was in Spain, the leader of the Valencia local government was arguing against a no-deal “Brexit” because of the harm it would do to their orange growers. Spain needs us just as much as we need Spain.

  3. We are not negotiating with Spain, surely you get this, didn`t you notice the endless failed attempts to deal with Europe at National level. Got told to fuck off ..the famous German car lobby looked away with embarrassment.It is not just tomatoes 30% of all our food is imported from the EU. Boris ( the liar) Johnson lied about an oven ready deal .We are already headed for a no deal with every prospect of food shortages not to say unemployment. A couple of days ago there was much crowing about the bright future at Nissan….not now they have spelt it out. Jobs are going
    We will be obliged under World Trade Organization rules to impose average food import tariffs of 22% and conduct product inspections.

    Will it hurt the EU ..yes it will but the UK 8 times as much this is why( Jesus that you have to say this ) Big things get better deals than little things …..fuck me its hard work

    That is only one problem do you really think we need this shit right now ?

  4. No we won’t:

    “We will be obliged under World Trade Organization rules to impose average food import tariffs of 22%”

    We can impose absolutely any level we like below WTO maxima. That means we can impose a rate of 0%. Which, as an importing nation, we should do, obviously.

  5. We have the option to drop tariffs to all WTO members(eventually ) but we cannot retain current tariff and, more importantly, frictionless ( Non tariff ) arrangements with the EU without extending it to the whole WTO.This is not possible in terms of standards and checks and our starting point is the one I have stated.
    The Brexit State has made it quite clear, at every stage, it will continue to protect the British Farming interests ( and some of the reasons for doing so are good ones ) anyway.
    You have a simple choice ..believe Boris Johnson`s assurances or stock up on tins in December ..I know which way I am going ; maybe you need to lose weight ?

  6. If that’s you really believe, then stock up with a few bloody tins – you’ve had your heads up, and now have 6 months to drip feed it in, zero panic buying needed (why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to wait until December). I find it quite incredible that most people don’t keep a decent supply for emergencies whatever, I’ve always found that utterly bizarre.

    Your tone is increasingly frantic with every passing day, and that’s saying something given where you were pre-Brexit.

  7. Newmania v Capt Spud… Which one is the more delusional, thick and incoherent?

    Only one way to find out.


  8. The Meissen Bison

    Pneumonia – are you not well, old chap? It strikes me that your answers are shorter and less persuasive than usual.

  9. Bloke in North Dorset

    Our proposed trade tariff schedule was discussed on the latest Trade Talks podcast, and there’s some bizarre tariffs.

    Interestingly, they’ve raised the tariffs on some goods as an incentive for countries to enter in to trade deals with us. When the first schedule was produced Canada backed off from the talks because there was no benefit to them, our tariffs on their main exports were so low they had no incentive to make a deal and give us better access to their markets.

    One of the guests was from the K Trade Policy Observatory, who I hadn’t hear of:

  10. PF

    Agreed we are setting aside supplies for a month plus starting now. The panic will start in about October. One might hope the idea of food riots would so appal even Brexit extremists that they would seek an extension but I would not rely on it.

  11. Pneumonia – are you not well, old chap? It strikes me that your answers are shorter and less persuasive than usual.

    Fuck Off

  12. @ Newmania
    Apart from your understandable desire to watch Boris like Barnier’s boots, why do you want us to raise tariffs on imported food? The issue of standards is completely and utterly separate from the issue of tariffs except in the minds of politicians seeking a trade-off that will benefit their favoured lobbyists at the expense of less-favoured lobyists.

  13. @ Newmania
    Any real business that was going to be affected by Brexit took action two years ago to minimise/mitigate any adverse consequences. If you are unaware of the insurers who have subsidiaries (or even parent companies) in Dublin, Malta, Cyprus, Luxembourg, Bermuda …

  14. Newmania:
    Thursday – if a kid passes 300 virons of Covid-19 to another kid who passes it to my wife who passes 30 virons to me, then I might end up with permanent lung damage,
    Sunday – I’m as fit as a butcher’s dog and dislike the “I’m all right Jack of those older than me with 10 lbs of excess weight to get them through any food supply shortfalls”

    At least you’re consistent on wanting centralised to Brussels subsidies and protections for farmland owners. You’ve just never explained why that is better than the two most obvious alternatives, devolved and none.

  15. *thinks* Could be me, but with current transport/trailer technology there should not be a single hitch in getting stuff from A to B, even if stuff is super-perishable and the whole process might take a day more because of Red Tape. Which it shouldn’t anyway, because all of that Red Tape should have been cleared in advance anyway, leaving just inspection/contraband checks which are still happening anyway, just with less regularity.

    Tarriff-wise, things might get a bit more expensive, but if there’s a Market, people have a habit to make sure products get to market regardless of any hurdles.

    So the only reason I can think of that can prevent anything from mainland europe ending up in the UK or vice versa after a Hard Brexit is politicians being asstards and deliberately derailing stuff, or the usual “competence” of the various departments Not Having Their Stuff In Order ( despite having had a 5 year-ish run-up to prepare for the eventuality..) .
    Which is still an option, of course, given the Ego’s we’re dealing with on both sides… But a logical/logistics/practical reason?

    ummm.. Nope?

  16. Any real business that was going to be affected by Brexit took action two years ago to minimise/mitigate any adverse consequences.

    Longer ago than that.If you have enough capital or reinsurance, to be compliant in the single market and the UK, to the extent of your Premium needs, then clearly you do not have a problem. This is, equally obviously, a fa worse situation that that which was previously enjoyed by the UK as an actual member of the single market and only needing the one pot of cash.
    The problem is that the UK is now the most expensive and difficult place in Europe form which to underwrite European Business and while large and existing companies have either prepared or abandoned ship already, new Europe facing entities will not be in the UK.

  17. ks* Could be me, but with current transport/trailer technology there should not be a single hitch

    Do you know of any existing frictionless Single market / third country,border ? I mean surely this must have been solved long ago …how about Turkey delays?

  18. The Meissen Bison


    Fuck Off

    Pneumie, you have rarely been so succinct. That’s a vast imrovement on:

    because its jejune boosters treat existing relationships as valueless

    Sometimes you try too hard, as if anyone cares what you think but keep plugging away :-).

  19. Knock it off, Mr B.

    I’m getting a bit of a stiffy thinking about jejune boosters. She sounds like a greased hoot.

  20. @Newmoania of little knowledge

    Unless EU say NO, we can continue on zero tariff with EU for several years: GATT Art 28

    Gov and media ignore as it does not fit remain agenda. JRM promoted GATT Art 28, now gone silent as he’s in Gov of traitors, fearmongers and liars

    Regardless, go WTO zero tariff is best

    People and businesses trade, Gov’t doesn’t and is an obstacle

  21. Newmania,

    What exactly do you think happens at the point of food imports? Do you think grey-uniformed guards armed with schmeissers yank open rear doors, spilling the perishable content into the mud, and demand papieren from cap-in-hand drivers?

    Supermarkets and grocers in EU and non-EU countries alike brim with produce – including fresh produce – from the four corners of the world (well, in non-socialist countries they do: In socialist countries, of course, it’s only the politically connected who have such access.) Even the smallest family-owner greengrocer may offer exotic fruit and veg I never saw as a child. And this includes retailers in countries which take their border controls very seriously in terms of pest control, such as New Zealand.

    Yet we are invited to believe that Britain leaving the EU implies a calamitous inability to continue to import food?

    It’s just this sort of hysterical nonsense which characterised the whole Remainer argument.

  22. I’m sure that if Britain does not scrupulously follow WTO rules that its army and navy is still capable of fighting off the WTO one.

    People break WTO rules all the time. Nothing happens. It has no enforcement arm.

  23. Facepaint–food panic you fuckwit? We’ll roast you alive and serve up a portion to your remainiac pals “FBPE Annual Barbeque–only EU owned foodstuffs served”.

  24. @ Newmania
    It may surprise you to learn that many leading insurers and reinsurers employ people in “expensive” London to underwrite business in Continental Europe (and Bermuda) through a “nameplate” office. I am mildly surprised that so few guys from Lloyd’s have settled in Malta which has a nicer climate and scenery than Surrey.
    As for new European entities not being in the UK – that depends whether they emerge from start-ups in Zurich or start-ups in London: in the latter case they *will* be in the UK.

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