OK, so…

It’s a country where 1/3 of the deaths in police custody are Black or members of other ethnic minorities,

What should the number be?

People of minority ethnicities made up 27% of the prison population
compared with 13% of the general population.

We’re to cavil about the difference between 27% and 33% are we? After all, people do die wherever they’re put, no?

30 thoughts on “OK, so…”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    People of African origin commit a lot of crime. That is true in countries with a history of slavery like the US. It is true in countries without a history of much slavery like Sweden. It is true in White countries like Australia. It is true in Black countries like Jamaica.

    You might almost think there is something other than systemic racism behind it. Almost.

    But whatever it is, it is pervasive and no one has managed to do much about it except harder and more persistent law enforcement.

  2. I am occasionally called left wing on this blog, presumably because I support a high level of individual freedom, Free Trade, a mixed economy, and moderate government. Additionally due to my support for the institutions that have served the country and Europe well.
    I am not left wing, I have always considered myself Conservative, and as such I watch the scenes form the US with outright horror. I do not believe there is any justification for this behaviour, and even if there was, it cannot be tolerated.
    I can only hope that the Liberal media do not, yet again, misread the likely reaction of the majority which is to hold the people doing it responsible for their actions, and draw the worst conclusions about those who encourage this violence and chaos

  3. I support a high level of individual freedom

    You really need to maintain a bit of consistency about your views, real or imagined. You were denying the very concept of freedom as nebulous yesterday.

    Still, well done for a relatively short and coherent comment.

    @SMFS – I find the Japanese approach to dealing with African crime successful. However, if you were to ask me how the UK might implement it, I’d be like the Irishman asked for directions. “You wouldn’t want to start from here.”

  4. People of minority ethnicities made up 27% of the prison population
    compared with 13% of the general population

    Really make u think. Why aren’t white people committing more crimes?

    Last year, more than 80 artists, academics, lawyers and activists signed an open letter warning that attitudes towards race and racism in Scotland are rolling backwards:

    Solutions cannot be reached without discussing how racism operates as a social and institutional structure, fuelled by protections and advantages people perceived as white have received over time and in the present day.

    White people? Receiving “protections”? In Scotland? Crivvens.

    If only Gary cared about his children as much as he claims to care about random black criminals, eh? Maybe he wouldn’t have chosen the masturbatory fetish lifestyle over them.

  5. Z man has a good take on this if anybody wants to go over there and look.

    US race relations are poison in a way that I would be tempted to say is unique. The way I read his posts, this is what he seems to be saying.

    We don’t want that sort of thing here and I can see no reason whatsoever why we should.

    The professional race baiters have simply lost their minds and I don’t know about anybody else but I actually laughed out loud when I heard of their latest wheeze, “blackout tuesday”.

    I’m not really sure what is most hilarious. Is it the faux outrage, the faux profundity or the belief these people have that they constitute some sort of “cultural elite”.

    The Brussels broadcasting commune had a link on which there was a truly tear jerking sermon from somebody calling himself Ashley Banjo.

    I nearly swallowed my face mask!

    Well I will reverently partake of some black pud, hoping and praying that my salty tears (of laughter in case anyone was wondering) don’t bastardise this racist hangout of empire – made with the metaphorical blood of the enslaved dontcha know – too much.

  6. 2015 to 2019

    Deaths by US police, by race (numbers rounded)

    White 50%
    Black 26%
    Hispanic 18%
    Asian 2%

    Blacks kill twice as many Whites than t’other way round.

  7. If it’s such a great matter of civil rights that black people suffer disproportionately at the hands of the cops,

    Why isnt it a great matter of civil rights that white people suffer disproportionately at the hands of black people?

  8. @ Steve

    “Really make u think. Why aren’t white people committing more crimes?”

    Crime is mostly a young man’s game (“man” used advisedly). What % of the population aged, say 14 to 30, is BME? Minorities are concentrated very much at the low end of the age spectrum so it is going to be an awful lot more than 13%.

  9. @Newlania… ‘… high level of individual freedom, Free Trade, a mixed economy..’

    Well, whatever wing you are, those three things are contradictory. A mixed economy = selective Government intervention in the economy and society so trade is not free either between individuals within or without the borders, your labours are considered to be in part compulsorily on behalf of the State, therefore individual freedom cannot exist and in any case freedom does not have levels, it is binary, either you have it or you don’t.

  10. In the unlikely event that any significant number of US rioter/looters were arrested I wonder how many of them would have recently been released from incarceration due to the perceived risk of contracting COVID inside.

    On a similar note I would expect many of the miscreants who have recently benefitted from the reluctance of many democrat administered cities to detain any but the most serious offenders to be enthusiastically participating.

  11. Was waiting to see what the daily health officer briefing would say about the local protest as we have been constantly castigated for going to the beach and hiking etc. (165 deaths in an entire Province of over 6m people). The police had very nicely posed for photo ops with the protesters rather than scold them or break them up (the irony obviously being lost on the protestors of police violence) so we now where they stand now.
    Started with a we aren’t out of the wood yet warning and don’t get carried away blah blah then briefly mentioned it was good to see a lot of the protesters wore masks. No one from the media even bothered to ask the question if this meant large gatherings were now allowed or why this event is different

  12. Newmania
    June 2, 2020 at 12:57 pm

    I am occasionally called left wing on this blog, presumably because I support a high level of individual freedom, Free Trade, a mixed economy, and moderate government.

    You’re called ‘leftwing’ because, in your writings, you openly disavow any support for those things.

    Additionally due to my support for the institutions that have served the country and Europe well.

    No, you’ve been supporting the EU mate.

  13. Race-baiting is part of the left. The first and orig plank of CM.

    Purge and destroy the left and the race-baiters will fall.

    It isn’t rocket science. A look at most of our problems reveals that the antics and agitators of the left are the common denominator. Therefore break the left to break most of our foes.

  14. allthegoodnamesaretaken

    Look on the bright side. 75% of Minnesotans have done their Christmas shopping already!

  15. ‘It’s a country where 1/3 of the deaths in police custody are Black or members of other ethnic minorities’

    It’s a country where 100% of the people are individuals. Groupifying people is sedition. All the deaths in police custody are people.

    ‘People of minority ethnicities made up 27% of the prison population compared with 13% of the general population.’

    Blacks make up 13%. So is ‘People of minority ethnicities’ the new descriptor of Negroes/colored people/blacks/people of color?

  16. @ Gamecock
    Tim is referring to the UK where BAME comprise 13% of the general population and 27% of the prison population. Foreign Nationals (almost always belonging to minority ethnic groups according to the dictionary definition of that phrase but not necessarily BAME in the political definition) make up 11% of the prison population and a far lower %age of the general population.
    The latter factoid explains why the Daily Wail wants us to deport foreign criminals against the wishes of “bleading heart liberals”.
    Blacks are 13% of US population but not of the UK’s.

  17. Thanks, John. I missed the transition. It’s hard to read beyond the first paragraph of bigmouthstrikesagain.

  18. @Newmoaner

    I support Free Trade

    Which is verboten in EU you support

    You are horrified by Blacks rioting, looting and burning their fellow blacks’ properties?

    @Ummmm
    Brendan O’Neil nails the hypocrites
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-double-standards-of-the-london-protestors

    Minneapolis Police Dept enforcing equality – innocent are guilty too
    “Light ’em up!” Tanya Kerssen video: National Guard, Minneapolis Police Department porch shooting

    H/T
    National guard and MPD sweeping our residential street. Shooting paint canisters at us on our own front porch

  19. Damn, forgot a / – repost

    @Newmoaner

    I support Free Trade

    Which is verboten in EU you support

    You are horrified by Blacks rioting, looting and burning their fellow blacks’ properties?

    @Ummmm
    Brendan O’Neil nails the hypocrites
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-double-standards-of-the-london-protestors

    Minneapolis Police Dept enforcing equality – innocent are guilty too
    “Light ’em up!” Tanya Kerssen video: National Guard, Minneapolis Police Department porch shooting

    H/T
    National guard and MPD sweeping our residential street. Shooting paint canisters at us on our own front porch

  20. @ dearieme
    Census data
    In this case BAME only includes ethnic groups separately listed on the census form and not, for instance, Welsh, Orcadian or Jewish. I don’t know whether “White, other” is included as a minority ethnic group.

  21. @Newmoania
    Does Your “I support a high level of individual freedom” include free speech?

    Time to Share the Link

    YouTube has become a censorship hot spot during the Covid-19 pandemic.

    Its latest target is Mail on Sunday columnist Peter Hitchens, one of the UK’s most outspoken critics of lockdown.

    His interview on the Triggernometry podcast has been ‘shadow banned’

    Youtube becomes more censorious every day. How long before Fox News kicked off for wrong think?

    Or (Rev) Simon Evans on ‘horrors’ in USA:
    Riots [Sorus funded] in America to destabilize Trumps re-election
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9kC5e0gpo

    A load of virtue signalling idiots come out to protest against the murder of a black man 4000 miles away! They all broke social distancing rules and all showed they are hypocrites
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSH7oUYp8fY

    In UK, sex now a crime unless both live together
    If u stick dick in her the police will kick your doors in
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_bSx5MPcRM

    Well said

  22. So Much For Subtlety

    Pcar June 2, 2020 at 10:19 pm – “How long before Fox News kicked off for wrong think?”

    Lachlan Murdoch just endorsed BLM. I doubt Fox is going to be kicked off Youtube. But someone else will just have to start a network to service the neglected 50% of Americans who like their news to the Right of the Guardian.

  23. Lachlan Murdoch just endorsed BLM.

    I cant see Tucker Carlson lasting long, which is a shame as he is the only guy willing to identify the cancer in American politics – the Jewish billionaires.

  24. “Lachlan Murdoch just endorsed BLM.”

    He will be worried about not getting invited to the nice dinner parties.

  25. Is the set “prison population” identical with the set “persons in police custody”? I don’t think so.

    I see that you get your numbers for prison population from the Briefing Paper. The police custody deaths appear to come from an IOPC report for 2016-17.

    Police custody deaths in the IOPC report numbered 23, of whom 15 died after police restraint or the use of force. Out of those 15 persons, 5 persons or 33,33% were BAME.

    Allow me to present my 87 page paper on the evils of small sample sizes. Ahem…

  26. It’s a total mystery I tell ‘ya!

    Blacks “were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year…that share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict”

    Blacks were responsible for 53% of homicides & 60% of robberies despite only making up 13% of the population

    via Ryan Saavedra

  27. One of the main news items in France yesterday was the protests against the death by asphyxiation of a young black man after 2 hrs in custody, that occurred 4 years ago. I can’t recall hearing anything about this case in the UK media – either 4 years ago, or since.

  28. If one goes strictly by cold numbers the people far and away most proportionally likely to murder and be murdered in the US are young black men. Something like half of the race baiting idiocy is meant to distract from this fact. The other half is designed to prevent identification of the political party who controls the city, county, and often state governments of these killing field districts.

    If even 30% of the public connected these dots there would be significant risk of finding a workable solution, after which a crucial wedge would be lost by the collectivist elites for whom the whole project requires militant group identification and hostility.

    Treat people as individuals with agency (ie freedom + accountability) and most of humanity’s problems evaporate, or at least have a clear solution. This would be a significant loss of power for ruling elites, self-righteous psudeo elite useful idiots, and downtrodden self-victimizing aggressors alike.

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