Sleeping problems are on the rise because energy-efficient homes are too warm at night, a Government study has concluded….

Of course, that then puts the idea of fuel poverty into a bit of a corner.

For if keeping a home as warm as those standards insist is injurious then we don’t want to insist on people being able to do that, do we?

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  1. I have vague memories from 40+ years ago of a graphic recommending how your central heating should warm the house, with something like 65F in the living room and 50F in the bedroom. The latter stuck in my mind, as at the time I was used to having frost on the inside of the bedroom windows in winter.

  2. I raised this issue back in 2002? when as a local council we were having money thrown at us to upgrade council housing by wrapping them in heat jackets. We’d be swapping winter hypothermia for summer heatstroke. I think the concerns were taken account of, as far as I can remember the upgrades included easily-accessible ventilation via decently openable windows, and we didn’t repeat the well-known mistake of sealing the eaves under the roofs.

    Nothing we could do, though, about tenants who would seal themselves in them put the heating on.

  3. I can remember as a kid waking up and seeing ice on the inside of the window, and dashing down to the living room which had the only fire. Bit of a change from Iran where I hardly saw any snow.

  4. When I redid my central heating 20-odd years ago all my engineering documents were in imperial, so I had to convert everything into Fahrenheit, feet, gallons, then back into metric to buy the parts. 😉

  5. In winter, one could simply turn off bedroom radiators. In summer, one could even open a few bedroom windows. The Prime Pushover should get Parliament to pass the necessary Statutory Instrument without delay (after consulting with annointed Experts, of course).

  6. Something I mentioned the other day was that the 90th percentile household net income is only 4x the 10th percentile net household in the UK. Ask a room of clergymen and they will guess 12 times ( the experiment has been done..most people guess much more ).
    So if income inequality is less than people think, unequal outcomes must have other causes. The first suspect has to be ‘bad choices’.
    I choose not to smoke, take pricey holidays or buy prestigious cars. I cycle, repair things,drink occasionally, play the piano, use the Library and spend time with my family
    These, and other, unremarkable choices mean that on an ordinary household income we keep warm and live well.
    So here is the thing
    Give a man a fish and he will eat that day
    Give him a fishing rod and he will probably sell it to buy twenty Marlborough or a fish.
    Some people are fucking stupid ..and they get cold

  7. I don’t recognise those figures. Or rather I do, but they’re different.

    Yes, 4 to 1, 12 to 1, 10% and 90%, fine. But they’re actually of market incomes – the larger difference – and post tax, post benefits, plus the provision of state services – so NHS, free education etc – the smaller difference. The calculation was done by the TUC as I recall.

    That is, this is how much work is already done to reduce inequality.

  8. If you want the bedroom to be cooler just build the houses with insulation built into the bedroom floors to stop unwanted heat loss from the living room into the bedroom. An added bonus is that with the right stuff you get sound insulation too.

  9. Bloke in North Dorset

    “ In summer, one could even open a few bedroom windows. ”

    We have a window open at night all year round. Fresh air is the important bit and it’s easy to put an extra duvet on when it’s really cold.

  10. “We have a window open at night all year round.” So do we but when a cold north wind blows it may be open only a crack. East Anglia, you know: nowt between us and the North Pole. Come to that, not much of consequence between us and the Urals.

  11. It’s winter here in Oz, and the old family home was built about 1953 or so. But with Brisbane’s climate, I just put on an extra sweater or so. I’ve got four on at present.

    It’s the heat in summer that’s the real nuisance. A fan about a foot or so away does evaporate the sweat.

  12. “Sleeping problems are on the rise because energy-efficient homes are too warm at night, a Government study has concluded….”

    As Governments increasingly realise that modern Britain is largely made up of gullible “do as you’re told” cretins (for example, as we’ve just witnessed with lockdown), are reports like these intended as preppers for the inevitable next stage of green Leccy cuts….

  13. Bloke in North Dorset

    dearieme,

    Wimp. I’ve worked in The Hague and lived and exercised on the North German Plains. That wind has been warmed by the North Sea by the time it gets to you.

  14. You know your government is too big when it has standards designed to tackle sleep deprivation.

  15. Sleeping problems are on the rise because energy-efficient homes are too warm at night, a Government study has concluded….

    1. Don’t these people have AC?

    2. They can open a window, right? Turn on a fan? That’s what I do. I live in a desert. Last night, at midnight, it was 85F/29.5C.

  16. Due to an allergy I have the heating on most nights (many days too). I like staying alive, its addictive.

    Temperature doesn’t get below 24C here, that to me is cold. Last night for example heating was on 9 hours at 26.5. Nice and warm for me wrapped up in a 13.5 tog quilt on the bed.
    And I have no trouble sleeping.

    The days the heating is off due to being broken I sleep very badly – house has been below 20C a day last summer when we needed repair to the heating. Must have had about an hour’s sleep the night before repair guy came.

  17. @TW
    Hot in summer does not equal hot in winter. Fuel poverty – can’t run air-con

    @The Sage
    +1 I want a cool/cold bedroom. Window always open and I’ve woken up with snow on quilt

    @SadButMadLad
    We did that dash to kitchen to dress too – back-boiler fire, covered with ‘slack’ at night for smoulder

    @Addolff
    +1 Living in a sealed bubble is not healthy

    @Newmania
    +1 sane & coherent from “I choose”. Agree except second last line should be:
    Give him a fishing rod and Some will sell it to buy drugs or a fish

    Same applies to those who claim they can’t afford to feed their children. Instead of “Why?”, Boris surrenders and gives them other peoples money

    @dearieme
    A lot further North than you (and 550ft altitude), but similar. If weather coming from NE need to close front bedroom windows. Back faces SW and open except when wind too strong

  18. decnine: You joke, but around 2003 we were trying to ween the residents of an estate off an elderly and knackered district heating system. They were horrified at the prospect of having to pay for usage. They had no such thing as thermostats or timers, they were in the habit of controlling the heat level of their homes by opening and closing windows.

  19. Re: “ I can remember as a kid waking up and seeing ice on the inside of the window, and dashing down to the living room which had the only fire.“

    Ah yes, growing up in Newcastle in a house with one coal fire as sole heating source, I remember the Frozen windows and stiff frozen curtains. Also, the weight of many many layers of bed sheets required to stay warm, and the run to the bathroom in sub-zero temperatures. I also recall being huddled round the fire with burning knees and cold shoulders.
    Magical times though.

  20. Don’t forget the fear of having to put your feet onto lino flooring when getting out of bed – akin to stepping onto sheet ice.

    Also re: the insulated homes thing, read some years ago about the problems caused by super insulated homes with windows on one aspect only, so no through draught.

  21. “Pah! Several times as a kid I’d wake up with my hair frozen to the bedside window!”

    We used to dream of having a window.

  22. I tell my kids of things that we better in ‘the old days’, one was gas fires – warm the room in minutes, source of radiant heat that you could lie in front of and toast yourself. Others we gas cooking and telephone landlines (quality of sound).

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