S’ppose so really

The ghosts of the care-home dead will come back to haunt this government
Polly Toynbee

Victims of systematic ageism…

Don’t people move into care homes because they’re old?

21 thoughts on “S’ppose so really”

  1. Look on the positive side of Pol: it is inspiring to see an aged individual still striving to break through the limits of human endeavour.

    In Pol’s case the limits she challenges are those of stupidity and marxist evil but she is still trying to break on through to ever greater depths.

    And succeeding.

  2. A pinch of salt’s required as my figures are 5yrs old… They indicate that about 4% of those aged 65 and over live in care homes. About a quarter of these residents are male and their average age is 87. The odds against any of us here ending up in one are slim (just about everyone I know has either died in harness or at home), so we tend to ignore the subject – specifically, how they are run and financed.

  3. I rejoice that Ms Toynbee no longer wants them to die off in order to win her second referendum. Next she’ll discover that “Protect the NHS” effectively means “kill the vulnerable” 🙁

  4. You go into a care home to be looked after until you die, and given the cost of care homes, one hopes that it is sooner rather than later. An acquaintance of mine soldiered on against cancer living alone with periodic hospitalisation, until that was not possible any more. She spent some time in a care home until she died. A spinster, she had no dependants – but, as a cancer sufferer, the local authority picked up the tab. She could easily have paid her own way through the sale of a house which ended up in the hands of a niece she didn’t even like.
    And why was it the Government’s job to source PPE when these places charge £5k a month?

  5. Victims not of ageism but certainly of government s typical malignant incompetence.

    Victims not of ageism but certainly of the NHS’s typical malignant incompetence.

    FIFY

  6. My father spent his final couple of years in a care home and was well looked after. Very expensive, but he needed the care and you really do not want either yourself or your loved ones in one of the ‘cheaper’ homes. Notably, the home he was in is currently free of COVID-19.
    Of course, for Toynbee, any failings of care homes is the fault of Them Evil Tories for not spending 150% of GDP on healthcare. However, the specific issues with COVID-19 and care homes is pretty much 100% the fault of PHE and the sainted NHS, which has never been backwards when it comes to murdering the elderly.

  7. You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato. There’s more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!

  8. So Much For Subtlety

    Come on. Boris believed his advisors. They told him the NHS was going to be swamped by millions of patients. So they made the decision to send the old to die in Old Age People’s Homes. Keep the beds to save the young. Protect the NHS.

    As it turned out those projections were garbage but Pol would have crucified Boris if there had been one photo of over-flowing beds.

    The bottom line here is malicious. Polly is malicious. It doesn’t matter what Boris did or does. She is waiting to attack him for it. Because it is all about undoing the last election. She ought to be ignored.

  9. @Rupert Fiennes

    “I rejoice that Ms Toynbee no longer wants them to die off in order to win her second referendum. Next she’ll discover that “Protect the NHS” effectively means “kill the vulnerable””

    Funny isn’t it? About six months ago the realms of Twitter-remainerland were revelling in the differential death rates of young and old, trying to figure out when “crossover” point would come from the dying off of elderly racist Leavers and their replacement by young virtuous Remainers (assuming, of course, that nobody else would be changing opinion as they aged).

    Now all of a sudden the elderly are everybody’s grandparents and their differential death rates are a scandal. Perhaps it’s disingenuous but I for one genuinely appreciate the turnaround. This great hope for them all to die off was bloody morbid.

  10. Once your loved one has moved into a care home, you know the clock is ticking. There isn’t much political capital to be made of lives lost in care homes.

  11. Pre Covid-19 the average life expectancy for those committed to care homes was just two years. It still is.

  12. Christopher Brookmyre’s “Quite Ugly One Morning” is a ripping yarn of blood, old folks and murder amusingly narrated. Howeverm, it does offer an insight into the workings of the NHS and its attitude to “crumblies” esp arounf p142/3 of the Abacus edition

  13. Funny isn’t it? About six months ago the realms of Twitter-remainerland were revelling in the differential death rates of young and old, trying to figure out when “crossover” point would come from the dying off of elderly racist Leavers and their replacement by young virtuous Remainers (assuming, of course, that nobody else would be changing opinion as they aged)

    Off topic but I did love the remainer idea that absolutely no one changes their political beliefs ever over the course of their life. Was a great insight into the remainer mindset.

  14. what was it someone said the other day:-

    When things go well, the NHS is wonderful. When things go badly, it’s the government.

    I’m quite hopeful about Matt Hancock making some reforms after this, though. I think he’s really seen just how shit the likes of PHE are.

  15. “…absolutely no one changes their political beliefs ever over the course of their life.”

    Most of us change our opinion upon the receipt of new information. This isn’t really an option for those who know everything already.

  16. The Meissen Bison

    @What the Dickens

    Will the ghosts of the care home dead be caparisoned in rusty chains and deed-boxes, do you reckon?

  17. Was nice to see the Ontario Premier Doug Ford stand up and say he was fed up of taking a bullet for the unionised Care Home inspectors who wouldn’t inspect care homes.
    The union claimed the inspectors were overworked while also letting slip 164 inspectors cover 626 care homes. While it’s not my field a ratio of roughly 1 inspector per 4 care homes doesn’t strike me as too bad

  18. From the HSJ (exclusive!)
    The government removed a key section from Public Health England’s review of the relative risk of covid-19 to specific groups, HSJ has discovered.

    Now what key section might this be? Turns out to be representations from those noted epidemiologists the Muslim Council of Britain and assorted lobbies.

  19. @W June 2, 2020 at 10:26 am

    And why was it the Government’s job to source PPE when these places charge £5k a month?

    Spot on. I kept saying this months ago. Care homes are council or private, not Gov’t. Another failure by Hancock etc to not repeatedly make this point, instead they surrendered and accepted blame

    @BoM4
    Don’t hold your breath. Hancock was too weak to bring in private sector when PHE could only do Five CV19 tests per week

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