Werl, it’s Christian, innit?

Can;t sing that in the modern Britain:

England rugby fans could soon be banned from singing ‘Swing Low, Sweet Chariot’ at international matches because of its origins as an anthem for American slaves.

The Rugby Football Union (RFU) announced on Thursday that it was conducting a review into the ‘historical context’ of the song over concerns it is inappropriate.

A well-placed source said: “One option after consultations is to stop this being sung at matches.”

The use by the RFU on social media of the slogan “Carry Them Home” taken from the song’s second line has been suspended with immediate effect, the organisation said. Official merchandise using the slogan, including on children’s t-shirts, is still available for purchase pending the review….

Angels, heaven? Grossly divisive. Even the CoE doesn’t believe in that any more.

54 thoughts on “Werl, it’s Christian, innit?”

  1. Deeply weird. I can’t figure out where exactly the discomfort comes from. It’s an ex-slave’s hymn, so maybe it comes from misery and it makes people uncomfortable to have sung lightheartedly at a match. I wonder if Amazing Grace, actually written by a slaver, would be better, or wrong as well for different reasons. people sing Swing Low because it’s easy to remember a couple of lines, and easy for men’s voices, and sounds good when a huge crowd sing it. There’s no disrespect or malice in that.

    meanwhile the Rhodes must fall gang have announced their new demands, including, with a straight face, an increase in the number of Rhodes scholarships to be awarded to Africans. How you get your sense of irony so thoroughly removed, i don’t know.

  2. Wonky Moral Compass

    What are they going to do when a few thousand, half cut rugger fans won’t stop singing it even when asked nicely?

  3. It seems to me that Rhodes actual monument is his scholarsips. To destroy Rhodes memory these need to end completely. The money could be distributed amongst the people of Africa.
    Otherwise there will be Rhodes scholars, and would be Rhodes scholars, thinking he was a good chap. I’d guess there’s more of them than those who actually see the statue.

  4. Oh that’s easy, Mr Compass. They’ll photo the lot, emblazon their pics all over obliging national media, seek informers to tell Plod who they are, have them named and shamed as ‘charidiots’, drive some to drink and ruin, prosecute some… All pour decourager les autres.

  5. You & me both, bilbaoboy. I’ve got a couple of slave descendants sitting here right now. If I brought up the issue of reparations they’d think I was barking (Not saying they wouldn’t take the money! This lot’d pauper you quicker than you could swipe credit card). It’s just not an issue. And Spain & Portugal have a history of maltreatment of other races make the Brits look like rank amateurs. To them it’s ancient history.

  6. Every time I see an organisation doing this, I’m less likely to want to deal with them. You utter cucks.

    I mean, rugby used to be a man’s sport, didn’t it? Hard drinking, filthy songs on the coach to the match. Something else must have replaced that and football chants, but what? Where did the people off the footie terraces go? Are there underground fight clubs organised on 4Chan or something?

  7. “Nice little game you’ve got here. Pity if anything happened to it… We’re only asking for this one thing, before we move on to the Boat Race…Christmas…handshakes…objectionable surnames…

  8. Boycott 2 or 3 matches en masse. Playing for a crowd of 10 should have them realise who pays their wages.

  9. It’s not the words, it’s the actions. You don’t even need to sing it. Try to stop 50,000 fans from humming it.

  10. Apparently, the song was first heard at Twickenham when Martin “chariots” Offiah was playing there in the Middlesex Sevens in 1987.

  11. It would seem another aspect of Covid-19 is a mental aberrration resulting in a reduction of IQ by some 50-70 points.

  12. Wonky Moral Compass

    Apparently, it was sung at club dinners that I participated in long before 1987, but the passage of time and beer hazes the memory somewhat.

    Rhoda’s image of thousands of fans humming the tune and making the gestures would be quite something to behold.

  13. Radicalising rugby supporters takes an enormous amount of cretinous cowardice and stupidity. Well done RFU and the rest of your hysterical fellow travellers.

  14. @Wonky Moral Compass

    I remember the gestures too. Also other even more inappropriate songs. George Orwell prophesied this

    “Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.”

  15. “ Apparently, the song was first heard at Twickenham when Martin “chariots” Offiah was playing there in the Middlesex Sevens in 1987.”

    True, and only re-discovered surprisingly recently. But this was all to do with him being ‘Chariots’ Offiah (get it?!) and nothing to do with him being a black man. There aren’t many songs about Chariots surprisingly and this one stuck.

    However it had been sung at club level for at least a decade before him just as a singalong, in the club tradition.

    Furthermore, the attributed composer was actually a slave of the Choctaw nation (and later a Choctaw freedman). But hey, that’s just details etc…

  16. The name “Washington Redskins” may be banned . . . for using the word “Washington.”

    Erase history, and the country becomes geographical.

    ‘Nothing to kill or die for’

  17. All music that has survived to come down to us possesses meaning but not always the same meaning to different people, and much of it was written, sung, played or otherwise associated with people who do not suit modern times. Unacceptable social attitudes or religious-philosophical views, unacknowledged (at least financially) cultural appropriation, unacceptable use of the N-word in mainstream hip-hop (fine when they sing it but not everyone would be allowed to sing along – also may need a homophobia check on much of the pantheon), unacceptable personas having to be censored when BBC4 rebroadcasts 1970s TOTP (and if they checked the full set of groupies’ birth certificates I’m pretty sure there’d be hardly any groups left), unacceptable gender and ethnic mixes (budge over Elgar but no way you’re going to be our national composer, nothing personal but it would be too divisive).

    There is simply no repertoire of “British” or “English” music that all groups can accept as their own and which doesn’t exclude vulnerable groups in some way.

    The simplest thing to avoid upsetting anyone would be to abolish music altogether in public places. It could be perhaps replaced in time once a stockpile of Neutrally Acceptable Music has been built up. By remixing an inoffensive combination of Elevator Muzak and World Music, while paying all royalties to endangered Amazonian and Siberian tribes, melody will one day ring out again across the public sphere.

  18. Mr Ecks said:
    “Boycott 2 or 3 matches en masse. Playing for a crowd of 10 should have them realise who pays their wages.”

    Unfortunately I think it’s the telly companies that pay. And they’ve all gone woke too. It would need a long-running campaign to filter through to them.

  19. I shouldn’t worry too much about certain songs being banned. It won’t be long before the small boats across the Channel demographics we’re facing affects all our culture, white or black.

    Music and dancing haram!

  20. In tomorrow’s news, we will disinter Michael Tippett and prosecute him for cultural appropriation.

  21. The song was definitely a staple of the University of Nottingham Mining Society back in the 70s, especially the rugby playing members. Along with others such as Abdul Abulbul Amir and Waltzing Matilda sung with the refrain “You’ll come a mining, you’ll come a mining, you’ll come a mining, you bastard with me“.

  22. Boycott 2 or 3 matches en masse. Playing for a crowd of 10 should have them realise who pays their wages.

    Seeing the clips of the footeh teams and officials all taking a knee in empty stadiums was an absolute delight. Gave me real hope the ugly game could now wither away.

    The UK has gone stark ravin’ mad.

    Indeed. It’s odd that because it’s an election year in the US, the UK must therefore prostrate itself before the machete gangs.

    Not all lives matter.

  23. among the criteria for a Rhodes Scholar is commitment to truth

    Ironic that William Jefferson Clinton got one. Pinocchio wept.

    Re: the moral panic over “racism”.

    Never forget that the Enemy wants you to be demoralised, and therefore all the easier to defeat.

    A famous alcoholic mouse-whisperer once said:

    The man o’ independent mind
    He looks an’ laughs at a’ that.

    Which, translated to modern Scottish (help me, BraveFart) roughly means get it right up them.

  24. “Some people aren’t going to like you, and some of those still won’t like you no matter what you do. The best you can do is avoid them or ignore them.” – Gamecock’s Mommy, ~1960

    ‘The Rugby Football Union (RFU) announced on Thursday that it was conducting a review into the ‘historical context’ of the song over concerns it is inappropriate.’

    WHOSE CONCERNS? This is anonymous dog shit. How many tickets do they buy a year? What association do they have with Rugby?

    And if you ban the song, will they like you then? HELL NO! This is all juvenile. Rugby should know that some people aren’t going to like them, and avoid them or ignore them.

    BWTM. This is grossly anti-democratic. 50,000 fans at a game choose to sing it. A handful of non-participants say, “You can’t do that!” Let the (alleged) complainer(s) buy a few thousand tickets and boo when the others sing it.

    RUGBY! should tell them to eat shit and die.

    RUGBY! should fire one or two executives over this. “We are RUGBY!, man!”

    Wait. Do they have some female executives? That might splain it.

  25. Much as I admire him as a rugby player, the intervention of Maro Itoje in the debate is what is known as “problematic”. Being of upper class Nigerian stock I suspect that he has closer family connections to slavery than every commentator on here.

  26. “All music that has survived to come down to us possesses meaning but not always the same meaning to different people”
    A lot of Irish music has numerous alternative lyrics and the music itself is therefore used by both sides for different songs.

  27. @NDReader

    Indeed. If only music had been banned long ago, the various ethnic and religious factions in Ireland would have been unable to continue communicating their grievances and would have been forced to seek peaceful resolution far sooner.

    People often have unsavoury and even hateful thoughts. Music is a powerful way of conveying such thoughts. Only when these forms of expression have been extirpated can humanity be truly united under one banner. The banner would also like to have a very close look at speaking, writing and the visual arts, and see whether something appropriate can be done about them too.

  28. It’s time to ban history. Let’s face it, most of our forefathers held views that aren’t popular today. Yet we have statues, books, records, and even old family photos to remind ourselves of them. Even the sainted Lincoln didn’t hold modern views about race. It’s time enact legislation that once someone is dead all record of them is obliterated, which would even require turning in for burning old family photos, letters, etc. Only then can we have the perfect world.

    And looking about us, wouldn’t we be doing future generations a favour if they were utterly unaware that so many of our contemporaies ever existed?

  29. All about control and people not wanting to put in the time and wait for and earn positions.
    There’s been numerous statements about lack of diversity at a decision making level, but then decision makers those people have all been in the game a long time and from a time when the country let alone rugby was less diverse.
    There are ‘diverse’ players reaching the end of their playing career and want to jump straight to a well paid RFU position instead of putting in their time like everyone else.

  30. I sent an email to the RFU complaining about it. I hoped it might make me feel less angry about it. But it didn’t. Grrr!!

  31. Bloke in Lower Hutt

    Technically the Haka was banned, inasmuch as the original was deemed to be owned by the Ngati Toa Iwi and as part of their treaty settlement the All Blacks stopped performing it. Fortunately, the All Blacks had a couple of new ones written especially for them and out of respect for the original drunken kiwis still perform it at the drop of a hat.

  32. How will The Rugby Football Union enforce crowd not singing whatever crowd want to sing?

    New version:
    Prefixed with “I Am Not A Number, I Am A Free Man”

    RFU cnuts can FO

    @JuliaM
    Oliver’s Army – snigger

  33. SNP cunts handed out jail sentences in Scotland.

    But they had sectarian background as leverage. If enough folk decide “Fuck em” the good guys win.

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