Free speech absolutism

Finally, it seems, content moderation on social media is making some moves away from the free speech absolutism of the early internet and toward a more nuanced understanding of what kind of rules are necessary to enable free expression for the broadest possible range of people.

That is, no free speech for thou even if me and mine do get free speech. For the moment.

One of the first tech executives to take a stand for this more holistic view of protecting free expression on the web

Interesting use of the word “holistic” isn’t it?

32 thoughts on “Free speech absolutism”

  1. Isn’t there some famous quote that you’re not actually defending free speech unless you’re defending speech you don’t like?

  2. “Nuanced” is normally an indicator that the Leftist is about to completely invert the meaning of something. As we see here.

  3. toward a more nuanced understanding of what kind of rules are necessary to enable free expression for the broadest possible range of people.

    That’s easy… no rules at all. Don’t like what’s being said? Tough, suck it up. Because otherwise you are limiting the range of people you are making free expression available to.

  4. View from the Solent

    To paraphrase Harry Bosch –
    Everybody’s freedom of speech counts or nobody’s does.

  5. . . . content moderation on social media . . .

    Other than compliance with basic law (crime and terrorism, etc), content moderation is publishing rather than platforming. They can be as nuanced and holistic as they like, so long as they are subject to the same laws as other publishers. Getting sued lots will end their business models. They can either go back to being platforms or, in their decline, make way for others.

  6. Yes, ‘nuanced’ is one of those really useful terms that means ‘I am about to start lying to you’. Like ‘sustainable’, ‘inclusive’, ‘evidence-based’.

  7. I see no moving away from free speech absolutism. There’s Tim’s blog, for a start. There’s a forum I’m a member of, discusses subjects would make a progressive spit blood. It’s the nature of the internet.
    Their taking over the dominant social media platforms will ensure they’ll no longer be dominant social media platforms. Their funded by advertising. Which advertiser wants to only advertise to the woke? Especially if you don’t flog woke products and services but do a nice line in un-woke. More they clamp down, the more they encourage competition. Guardian’s pretty woke, isn’t it? Profitable? Fox News is.

  8. Incitement to violence and defamation/libel are the only exceptions. Anything else goes. If you object, then you don’t believe in the principle of free speech, but, then, the Guardian…

  9. ‘content moderation on social media is making some moves away from the free speech absolutism’

    ‘Content moderation’ is undefined. In common usage, it is ACTIVE examination of entries. I think that is what they mean here. I think it wrong. I should expect a ‘platform’ to be passive/reactive. I.e., they ignore content unless someone calls their attention to it. Then they remove defined disallowed content, such as “incitement to violence and defamation/libel” (sic).

    *Defamation includes libel.

  10. Which advertiser wants to only advertise to the woke?

    You haven’t been paying attention, Mr in spain.

  11. You are not free to speak frankly to a hysterical woman: this morning’s Tel.

    Positive stereotypes are still racist, a tribunal has ruled, after a university lecturer was fired for saying “Jewish people are the cleverest in the world”.

    Stephen Lamonby, a lecturer at Solent University in Southampton, also said “Germans are good at engineering” and that he “had a soft spot” for young black men because they are underprivileged and “need all the help they can get”.

    The 73-year-old was dismissed from his role at the university over the comments, which he claimed were not offensive because they were “positive stereotypes”.

    An employment tribunal heard the controversial remarks were made during a meeting with Dr Janet Bonar, his course leader, in the university canteen in March 2019

  12. Remove all public funding / subsidies/ special recognitions from higher education. Getting a degree or other qualification should be for people in long trousers who are capable of doing a cost-benefit analysis for themselves. If higher education businesses can make selling wankery profitable, good luck to them.

  13. So Much For Subtlety

    bloke in spain July 22, 2020 at 9:54 am – “I see no moving away from free speech absolutism. There’s Tim’s blog, for a start.”

    They will come for Tim’s blog in the end. Google will refuse to allow him to turn up in their searches. His funding will be cut off. His host will be bullied into denying him access. It has all happened before.

    “Their taking over the dominant social media platforms will ensure they’ll no longer be dominant social media platforms. Their funded by advertising. Which advertiser wants to only advertise to the woke?”

    Facebook is facing an advertiser boycott as we speak – because they allow Trump. At this stage they don’t care. There are minor alternatives to Google but what is the alternative to Paypal?

  14. So Much For Subtlety

    dearieme July 22, 2020 at 11:40 am – “Stephen Lamonby, a lecturer at Solent University in Southampton, also said “Germans are good at engineering” and that he “had a soft spot” for young black men because they are underprivileged and “need all the help they can get”.”

    I am having trouble keeping up with the Woken SS. If it is racism to say that young Black men are underprivileged and need all the help they can get, what are you supposed to say? They are privileged in law and don’t need any help at all?

    “An employment tribunal heard the controversial remarks were made during a meeting with Dr Janet Bonar, his course leader, in the university canteen in March 2019”

    It does not surprise me he was shopped by a colleague. Bitch.

  15. Oh my God, yet another useless fool:

    In an interview with LBC today, Cressida Dick said that in London police officers will try to assist shop keepers if they are concerned that people are not wearing masks and “have tried everything else” … she hoped that the vast majority of people will comply, “and that people who are not complying will be shamed into complying or shamed to leave the store by the store keepers or by other members of the public“.

    She is asking for members of the public to start picking on those that might have medical conditions or unseen disabilities.

    Maybe a legal bod might know: Given her senior and influential position, has she just committed a crime of incitement, by encouraging people to break the Equality Act 2010?

  16. So Much For Subtlety

    Yeah. I don’t imagine that is her advice for dealing with Yoof who shop lift. Or put their feet up on the train.

    Why are we ruled by such idiots?

  17. “Google will refuse to allow him to turn up in their searches.”

    Google ignored Tim’s site for years. And corporate and other censoring systems have often blocked it… I guess Tim will know if it has made much difference?

  18. “I don’t imagine that is her advice for dealing with Yoof who shop lift. Or put their feet up on the train.”

    Quite!

  19. PF,

    If those not wearing masks are Brazilians, Cressida Dick encourages shopkeepers and customers to shoot them in the head.

  20. @ PJF, SMfS
    I’d say we’re going through a transient phase, at the moment. Sure you’ve got some woke PR bods convinced companies there’s advantages in being “socially responsible” or some such guff. But it all comes down to money in the end. The more woke they act the more they give the competition an open door.

  21. Police won’t enforce the rules. Perhaps the citizenry will.

    Tell me again why we have police?

    Citizens confronting the maskless should produce plenty of fights and stabbings. Film at 10.

  22. O/T The advertising now appears on Tim’s site!

    Spain – Why everyone is going crazy over this – Smartwatch
    Different smartwatch
    Inexpensive air cooler

    All on the same page.

    It’s hard to think of advertising more likely to deter one from clicking on it. Why do they bother?

  23. Bloke in North Dorset

    Why do people say “I believe in free speech, but …” when what the really mean is “I don’t believing free speech because [I’m an authoritarian who believes I know better than you].

  24. “They will come for Tim’s blog in the end. Google will refuse to allow him to turn up in their searches. His funding will be cut off. His host will be bullied into denying him access. It has all happened before.”

    It is plausible.

    In the U.S., despite having the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing our gun rights, over decades – about mid-60s to mid-90s – about 20,000 “gun control” laws were passed.

    In spite of the 1st Amendment, Abraham Lincoln locked up 30,000 people, mostly journalists, and denied them habeas corpus, for not supporting his war against southern independence.

    “Government will do what the citizens will accept.” – GC

  25. …One of the first tech executives to take a stand for this more holistic view of protecting free expression on the web was Ellen Pao, who took the helm of Reddit in 2014

    Pao started the process of detoxifying Reddit with a ban on harassment and non-consensual intimate images…

    Ellen Pao? Free Speech? Really?

    In 2011 Ex-Reddit CEO Ellen Pao Knew Ghislaine Maxwell Was Supplying Underage Girls For Sex
    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=h9_BBr7dcMk

    Holistic: hmm, child sex is holistic on Left – but don’t mention it

    Spot on about ABC sitting on evidence while crimes continued while waiting for approval to air “Exclusive Breaking News” – surely ‘aiding & abetting’ ‘failing to report a felony’ or whatever?
    Journo could have gone to Veritas, Wikileaks, Rebel News….

  26. ASDA/Morrisons/Boots are already not letting folk in w’out a mask unless they have med cert–which GP trash wont give. But Tesco/Co-op/Sains have said up to cops to enforce and their staff wont ask. So they get my business. Also know newsagent /small grocer that might solve some supply problems.

    But face it –all who take mask will soon be wearing it 24/7 until they take so-called VAX.

    Some say no compo if vax fucks you up others say 120 grand max payout on some fixed schedule. Does anyone know which it is?

    Refuse both mask and vaccine.

  27. Why do people say “I believe in free speech, but …”

    I thought it was well known that everything before the “but” is a lie.

  28. @Mr Ecks
    Morrisons I use has not stopped me entering with no muzzle. Some staff are also not wearing

    Boris & Hancock have made a huge error in ordering shop staff/owners to enforce the law

    Met’s Dick is saying same. Tell me again why we have police?

    She is asking for members of the public to start picking on those that might have medical conditions or unseen disabilities.
    https://youtu.be/-zX1a3iuZQ4?t=1134
    Maybe a legal bod might know – @Mr Lud?: Given her senior and influential position, has she just committed a crime of incitement, by encouraging people to break the Equality Act 2010?

    Citizens confronting the maskless should produce plenty of fights and stabbings. Popcorn time
    A public response to the BLM demonstrations could be…interesting

    Face Covering?
    Take the piss
    – Drape a viel/piece of lace over head
    – Piece of wire/plastic mesh
    – Crash helmet with smoked visor
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=352598369065&_sacat=0

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