So the French have idiots too then

French mayors have called for a halt to the construction of 5G mobile masts until health risks can be assessed.

The Green mayors of Bordeaux, Nantes, Grenoble and other big cities have joined a revolt against the technology amid fears of dangerous radio waves and damage to the environment.

Groups acting for “electro-sensitive” sufferers claim that the tranmissions damage health. “We know these waves have an impact on our brains and that people are showing electro-sensitive symptoms, with ever greater suspicions that they cause cancer,” said Sophie Pelletier, head of Priartem-Electro-sensibles de France association.

Reminds of the high voltage power lines and leukaemia thing. The specifics change but not the underlying whinge – this modernity, not to be had.

21 thoughts on “So the French have idiots too then”

  1. Perhaps the mobile companies should run a trial of withdrawing signal from these Green cities. That would be an interesting study of revealed preferences. Would the voters protest about not being able to run tiktok?

  2. How many votes will this get the mayors? Chucking off the 18-34 year olds to get the ‘“electro-sensitive” sufferers’ seems mistaken.

    But, wait, it’s not ‘“electro-sensitive” sufferers.’

    It’s ‘Groups acting for “electro-sensitive” sufferers.’ Who should be asked, in French:
    Who the fvck are you?

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    When WiFi sensitivity was a thing the BBC got a load of self proclaimed sufferers together to do some trials. They were worse than random for detecting when it was on, but of course when told they wouldn’t believe it and claimed the BBC was part of the conspiracy.

    As to claiming 5G is a health risk the frequency bands have been used by the military and/or civilian organisations for years without complaint, the only thing that’s changed is the modulation scheme. We did some commercial fixed wireless broadband trials using the 3.4GHz band in and around Reading, Slough and West London from 2005 to 2010 using a modulation scheme not dissimilar to 5G and there wasn’t one complaint from the general public or customers.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    “We know these waves have an impact on our brains and that people are showing electro-sensitive symptoms, with ever greater suspicions that they cause cancer,” said Sophie Pelletier, head of Priartem-Electro-sensibles de France association.

    Oh what a wonderful world we were promised when the hoi polloi gave up their foolish superstitions and embraced Science. There was a time when Ms Pelletier would have believed in Transubstantiation and bothered her local priest with the aches and pains of raising six children.

    Now she gets to be a fool on an international stage. And yet for some reason people listen to her.

    More than half the world’s problems would be solved with a healthy dose of Kinder, Küche, Kirche for the likes of Sophie. Sophia indeed.

  5. I read somewhere, perhaps here, that the majority of complaints about the ill-effects of ’emissions’ from new masts come within a few weeks of them being erected, ie before they have been connected to the network…

  6. SMFS,

    I really think that letting Darwinian evolution run its course for 100 years would be a pretty good idea. That means both cutting child benefit for the poor AND scaling back the fat, pointless government jobs for the middle classes.

    Like social services is a huge waste of money at both ends. A bunch of overpaid Guardian readers who put in huge numbers of hours to fix the problems of unproductive, stupid, violent chav families living on benefits.

    Every time I’ve met someone on unemployment benefits (except people with some disability), it’s their fault. You can throw ideas at them, and they’ll make excuse after excuse as to why they can’t do it. These old miners living in Merthyr when the pits closed and have never worked since could have left the place, found work. They’re poster boys for the lefties, while the miners who realised there was no future and left are invisible.

  7. These old miners living in Merthyr when the pits closed and have never worked since could have left the place, found work. They’re poster boys for the lefties, while the miners who realised there was no future and left are invisible.

    There was a documentary produced about the turn of the millennium (in both senses) and I forget the title. The part that stuck with me however was an interview with a pair of ex-miners of a similar age from some rural US region whose mine had shut down. One had decided “I’m a miner, my pa was a miner, his pa was a miner, I’m going to wait for someone to give me a job as a miner.” Two decades later he was being interviewed propping up a bar complaining he hadn’t worked since the mine closed. The other had used his redundancy payout to move away, study for a law degree, and was now a multi-millionaire in a huge house.

    Amazingly, IIRC this was broadcast on the BBC.

  8. But windmills which do have proven detrimental effect on Human health from low frequency noise, and direct effects on bats, birds, insects are Green idols.

    Buildings and appliances therein are a network of wires carrying alternating current, which flood the whole area with radio waves.

    In Cities where power lines are buried, these radiate radio-waves. Then there’s TV, radio, RADAR, satellite, but only 5G causes problems.

  9. Bloke in North Dorset

    “ These old miners living in Merthyr when the pits closed and have never worked since could have left the place, found work. ”

    Most of those pit villages are the product of the families who moved there to work in the mines. Why they think that gives the, a God given right for their families to stay there forever is not explained.

  10. I believe William of Ockham wielding the ‘Cui Bono’ and ‘Follow The Money’ razors will cut to the heart of the puzzle.

    Mayors want votes and both voters and Mayors want to squeeze 5G builders for money.

    I live in Alberta Canada and have noticed that in the fullness of time, nearly all evil, dirty polluting oil patch projects get built, and by fullness of time I mean when the oil patch has had the last available dollar squeezed out of it.

  11. @theo
    The French are idiots.

    The French Green Party are idiots, just like every Green party in the world.

  12. Nobody despises greenfreak slime more. However I wonder re 5G if humanity really needs fridges that cant mind their own fucking business.

  13. So Much For Subtlety

    However I wonder re 5G if humanity really needs fridges that cant mind their own fucking business.

    Testify! Who in their right mind would sit down and think that having your rubbish bin report how often you recycle was a good idea?

    The internet of things? No thanks

  14. If these mayor’s are so green, maybe they need to be sent off to a farm somewhere to ripen. Slopping hogs and shoveling cow merde should provide a useful education on Green lifestyles.

  15. In the trade, it’s called “The Internet of Evil Things” and you are right to fear it.
    “Alexa: Daddy just told a joke about the PM”
    “The armed response police wagon is on its way”

    And don’t even think about all the hooks and backdoors into internet routers, wifi routers, IP cameras, front door systems….all using chinese made parts….

    Expect heavy coercion to force this upon us: washing machines that will only work when Party Central allow, for example. Call it Smart Metering….

  16. Ecks: 5G is the wrong technology for busybody fridges. It’s USP is faster Internet than 4G, and by the Laws of Physics, faster Internet means wider bandwidth means more power consumption, as the mfrs and punters are now finding out. I believe the mobile operators are keeping 2G going for the busybody fridge & other low data rate services even while closing down 3G to re-use its frequencies.

  17. WiFi sensitives do exist, they are rare birds as far as I know, but I encountered one at a place I worked. Put in a new high powered local wiFi unit, and this person immediately developed serious headaches.

    Being a skeptic I decided to try some tests so I hid the device from sight (and no little blinky lights showing in reflections either) and the person lacked a device to actually pickup the WiFi (had a standard non-WiFi capable PC and no mobile). Then carried out a series of around 20 or so trails where I would randomly have the device on or offend ask the person to predict its state; and they were 100% correct, including a last attempt where I went in and made a show of packing the device up in a box and removing it, but they could tell. Pulled the same trip a couple of weeks later and turned it on at my desk (out of sight but only, say 10-15 metres direct distance) and they came in to accuse me of having turned it on, within 5 minutes. They could tell alright.

    Interestingly we already had a smaller WiFi unit which caused no alarm, and I later installed a mesh of low/medium powered devices for better coverage, again without a serious issue though they could almost 100% tell that the units were on but it didn’t cause distress so they weren’t bothered. That place had over 400 people who would have passed by the original high power unit (I relocated it out to a factory office location) and no one else complained, so on a single sample admittedly, less than 0.25%.

    Differences, not 5G, but standard 2.4/5 GHz WiFi; close range only; above a certain power level (unit was a “special” high power device intended to cover a fair sized office area – and I couldn’t get approval initially for a proper mesh).

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