Well, yes, I suppose so

I can understand why. As trans and gender diversity has become a regular topic of public debate and a favoured target of rightwing attacks, feminist critics have joined the fray.

That has put trans and feminist activists on a seemingly unrelenting path of mutual antagonism. Trans rights have been pitted against sex-based rights for “real” women, with conflict forever spiralling into charge and countercharge of hate speech and silencing, and into bitter social media wars.

Frustratingly, this conflict has become the dominant media story of trans and feminism, especially in a viciously divided UK.

Actually, the UK isn’t divided upon this at all. Among the 65 million the modal reaction is if you want to wear a frock laddie then that’s your right, working the other way it’s possibly a bit odd to want your tits cut off but if you really say so then no skin off my nose, is it?

The UK, in the way that life is lived on the ground, has long been an astonishingly liberal place that is. Perhaps not publicly and in pride and celebration but incidences of the tweed wearing, pipe smoking, chapess and her friend being chased by the mob are alarmingly thin on the ground.The same has been true of the LG bits too – Oscar Wilde’s problem was trying to make a libel issue of it, before that the last dobbed in for being different was when, 1840s? The street and the horses comment resonates down the century simply because it has long been the national attitude.

Not quite the current story I know but still.

The thing actually being talked about in The Guardian is the conversation in academia. Which, as we all know given that the importance is so small, is vicious. Add to that the well known female propensity for calm, rational discussion entirely free from any emotional overtones and we’ve managed to entirely describe what is happening.

The UK simply isn’t divided upon this and hasn’t been for many a generation. The little enders and the big enders, that’s another story, but who cares about them?

18 thoughts on “Well, yes, I suppose so”

  1. Geezers in frocks is fine with just about everyone as long as they don’t start to interfere with normal life. Of course, because these people are attention seeking narcissists, they can’t live with acceptance – they need to push the envelope. Hence trying to get into female spaces, have medical checks for female only diseases etc. That’s where the normal people have a problem with them.

  2. “Trans rights have been pitted against sex-based rights for “real” women, with conflict forever spiralling into charge and countercharge of hate speech and silencing, and into bitter social media wars.”

    How can you possibly describe a bunch of lefty idiots bickering about whose deluded take on reality is the most batty as a right wing attack? The rest of us have better things to do with our time than get involved in their absurd quarrels. I suppose it could be that, to the dedicated attention seeker, ignoring them is an act of aggression.

  3. What I fear is that tolerance is declining. I suspect that academia, the legacy media, the cultural Marxists and the accelerationists have accidentally formed an unholy alliance to encourage division and intolerance.

  4. Of course, little-endian is spawn of the devil. It’s a right pain to read on hex listings. I wonder if Arabs find it easier with a right-to-left alphabet, though even Arabic numbers are left-to-right. Yes, I’m trolling, but probably not in the right place…

  5. The first (ish) thing I do on any Unix(y) system is write and compile an fdump command to give me a proper hex dump command.

  6. od -tx1

    Octal dump, in hex, one character at a time. Standard on every Unix and Unix-like system I’ve ever used, from System III onwards.

  7. rjb

    Quite. I am sure that more than a few people who have been impeccably tolerant in the face of an increasing multitude demands and attacks up to now are wondering why they bothered.
    If you now are forever going to be accused of being a monster anyway and your way of life destroyed in the process then the gloves might as well come off.

  8. @JS – you’ll never get far trying to be reasonable with malicious mentalists.
    As I said here recently, the blokes who genuinely believe they are birds on the inside, regardless of the evidence of their bollocks, are the best of the trans lot. At least they are sincere in their delusions. The rest are a bunch of narcissists, nonces, misogynists and gays too ugly and toxic to get laid. Oh yeah, and a tiny number of tragic, self-hating, body-dysmorphic lesbians (and they have my sympathies).

  9. ‘against sex-based rights for “real” women’

    The quote marks on “real” made me laugh.

  10. jgh: +1

    I wrote ‘dumpit’ decades ago and it’s on every computer I’ve owned, except one or two embedded systems that haven’t got gcc. Yes, od with options does the same thing but when you get used to something, why change?

  11. Trans rights have been pitted against sex-based rights for “real” women,

    Imagine if we had just one set of rights for all people. No special categories. No worrying about how one group’s ‘rights’ conflicted with another’s.

    Nah, that’d never work.

  12. Stonyground
    July 7, 2020 at 8:53 am

    . . .

    How can you possibly describe a bunch of lefty idiots bickering about whose deluded take on reality is the most batty as a right wing attack?

    Because TERFS – those man-hating radical feminists who want women to rule the world – aren’t *quite* as left as the good, wholesome, progressives who support ‘drag queen story hour’ and grown ass strangers rolling on the floor with their kids unsupervised.

    Hence, they are worse than Hitler.

  13. working the other way it’s possibly a bit odd to want your tits cut off but if you really say so then no skin off my nose, is it?

    As long as I don’t have to pay for it. There’s a weird (aren’t they all?) mental condition whereby people come to believe that one or more of their limbs doesn’t belong to them (the trick cyclists probably have a cod-Latin name for it). Until relatively recently, the treatment, in extremis, was amputation – but we no longer consider this ethical. Why it should be ethical to amputate a perfectly healthy functioning penis, is left as an exercise for the reader.

    Oscar Wilde’s problem was trying to make a libel issue of it

    Indeed. And Turing’s problem was going into a cop shop and making a statement that he had indulged in homosexual acts. A towering genius without doubt, but lacking any understanding of the way the world works. As Dilly Knox (his civilian boss at Bletchley) and also gay (though married with children, he’d allegedly had an affair with JM Keynes at Eton) said of his time at BP that “his being homosexual wasn’t a problem, if only Alan would be a little discreet about it”.

  14. As trans and gender diversity has become a regular topic of public debate

    Well, is hasn’t.

  15. “As trans and gender diversity has become a regular topic of public debate”
    They DO fancy themselves, don’t they? Prats!

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