But, but, they really are women!

There’s a superb piece in BBC Future about a growing problem in trans healthcare: because systems largely class people on gender rather than assigned sex at birth, trans and non-binary people can encounter significant barriers in getting adequate testing and treatment.

But we’re being shouted at that the only things that matter is gender.

Now it seems to be that the claim has morphed. That sometimes gender is what matters – that’s the bit in the head – and sometimes it’s genes and hormones and biology. Well, yes, but that’s all that anyone’s ever said anyway.

If trans are not, wholly and completely and utterly, women then there will be times when it is correct t regard them as not women then. Even if the social acceptance is well, you live your life your way, there will still be times when discrimination is justified. Like, umm, the groinal waxes, or cervical checks and so on.

The paroxysms of illogic that Carrie manages to tie herself up in….

39 thoughts on “But, but, they really are women!”

  1. Mentalists who think they are women are bound to get tied up in ‘paroxysms of illogic’.

    Just as those who insist they are Napoleon Bonaparte find it hard to marry their current circumstances, eg living in the bins behind Aldi, with the European empire to which they are so clearly entitled.

  2. “Every single one of my female friends has horror stories of male GPs not taking them seriously and dismissing severe problems as “women’s troubles” best fixed with chocolate and a hot bath“

    These are horror stories about male GP’s (let’s gloss over Carrie casually assigning their gender – behaviour which would result in a right strop if done to her) who appear to be pandering to her friends delusions by calling their undefined and untreatable issues “women’s troubles” which rules out anything serious like, for example, you’ve got a lump on your left lady-bollock.

  3. That’s not because being trans is new: as the article notes, you could argue that the first documented request for gender reassignment was in around 220AD. In terms of modern medicine, surgical and hormonal transition has been possible since the 1920s

    Quite. There’s reasons why the history of this thing gets elided tho.

    Trans-pioneering Dr. John Money was a paedophile who performed “sexual reassignment surgery” on a small child and made him simulate sex acts with his brother while Money filmed it for, uh, “research”. Both brothers committed suicide.

    Magnus Hirschfeld and his little shop of horrors in Berlin wasn’t much better.

    It’s kind of like sausages or abortion, you don’t really want to clue normies in too much lest ye face torches and pitchforks.

  4. Dennis, Gender Solid

    Having read Carrie’s post, my only question is this: Has anyone ever seen Carrie Marshall and Richard Murphy in the same room? Seriously. Who among us hasn’t, at one time or another, just assumed that one day Spud would be found in a public park wearing a cocktail dress and high heels?

  5. Wait, now its ‘sex assigned at birth’? It used to be gender assigned at birth. Also, you don’t ‘assign’ sex. You look at the baby and record the sex it is. If sex were assigned then sex could be re-assigned. As fluid as your gender may be, your sex is immutable – no matter how many cosmetic operations you have.

  6. “Every single one of my female friends has horror stories of male GPs not taking them seriously and dismissing severe problems as “women’s troubles” best fixed with chocolate and a hot bath“
    It’s all just envy. Carrie would love to be diagnosed with ‘women’s troubles’, but no-one ever does.

  7. class people on gender rather than assigned sex at birth, trans and non-binary people can encounter significant barriers in getting adequate testing and treatment.

    But they don’t. Sure, they might call you ‘ma’am’ when you first walk in because you’re in a dress, but when it gets down to brass tacks, if you’ve got wedding tackle they’re going to diagnose and treat you as a male.

    *Its the transgender* who have fought against this – demanding treatment for female only disorder, for example, even though being male, simply because they present as a woman.

    The only ‘problem’ here is that the medical system has been trying to accommodate these people. Any problem caused here are caused by the patients, not the system – unless the author is saying the doctors should have been smart enough to know who’s crazy enough to not indulge.

  8. Illogic is a meaningless accusation against scum who despise and deride logic as white male patriarchy.

    Marxist subjectivist evil–remember?

  9. Which takes us back to the matter your frequently troll – men with cervixes and uteri.

    There are transmen who are legally male and have birth certificates which state as much. So, as far as the entire UK civil record system is concerned they were registered male at birth and very document officially held, including medical records.

    Their NHS records and digital systems have them defined in their databases as male. But as stated they have uteri and cervixes and experience many of the same problems and need the same gynaecological surgery as females.

    That may invite ridicule from many here – but I can point you are twitter threads where people have had multiple consultation references from their GPs denied or cancelled, operations refused or cancelled and suffered life shortening problems as a result.

    Equally there are people who are legally female and have prostates.

    The current GRA and Equality acts are not going to be repealed or amended, nor are the GDPR privacy regulations.

    So, like it or not, NHS and many other organisations are adapting their systems to recognise that their are men who have uteri and women who have prostates for good medical reasons and not because of any perceived cultural war or debate.

  10. “Who among us hasn’t, at one time or another, just assumed that one day Spud would be found in a public park wearing a cocktail dress and high heels?”

    I hear they talk of little else in Ely…

  11. Dennis, Pointing Out The Obvious

    Serious question: If doctors and health care providers are supposed to provide said health care to individuals based on an ‘assigned’, rather than a scientific basis, how are they supposed to design effective treatments?

    If assignment is purely arbitrary – and it is (by its very definition) – and those assignments are subject to change – and they are, because they are arbitrary – then what exactly are health providers supposed to do? Just whom are they to consult with regards to ‘assignment’ and the impact on health care provision that flow from that? Carrie Marshall? Or might there be other trans people out there with opinions that differ from Marshall’s?

  12. Dennis, Tiresome Denizen of Central Ohio

    I hear they talk of little else in Ely…

    Well, it gets dark early in Ely.

  13. Ecks – I noticed he went silent a couple of weeks back, and feared the worst. Sad. He was an intelligent and decent bloke.

  14. Josephine, the state also tells us that Mohammed from the Mogadishu Bronx is as English as I am, merely by virtue of being given a British passport.

    The government is lying. And like your examples, the lies tell us who, as a matter of brute political force, the government wants to appease.

  15. _There are men who have uteri and women who have prostates_

    That’s the thing about reality. Even when you refuse to believe it, it just won’t go away.

  16. To be biologically correct there are hermaphrodites who have a uterus and a prostate. Different thing althogether, they are not “transexuals” or even a man with a uterus/woman with a prostate

  17. ‘you don’t really want to clue normies in too much lest ye face torches and pitchforks.’

    Didn’t know I was a normy Steve. But I do agree about the torches and pitchforks.

  18. I’m afraid I’ve lost all hope and respect for normies.

    Seems to me that if you scare/bribe them enough they’ll put up with (almost?) anything.

  19. “The current GRA and Equality acts are not going to be repealed or amended…”

    Never is a long day.
    I’ve a suspicion that sometime, in the not too distant future, the whole lot of this trannie bollocks is going to be junked. The current insanity of our ruling class is only a phase it’s going through. There will be new people a little more in touch with reality. They couldn’t be any less.

  20. ‘Seems to me that if you scare/bribe them enough they’ll put up with (almost?) anything.’

    I agree M’Lud. But society could hardly exist if this wasn’t true.

  21. So Much For Subtlety

    bloke in spain August 17, 2020 at 10:27 pm – “I’ve a suspicion that sometime, in the not too distant future, the whole lot of this trannie bollocks is going to be junked.”

    But it will be too late for Britain by the time it is. This is just part of the war on the British. Part of flooding the country will illegals. They just hate Britain and want to abolish it.

    No doubt a future Islamic and/or Jamaican-style government will have to truck with batty boys either. But that is small comfort.

    In the meantime we have to perform mental gymnastics to avoid the obvious – there are no such thing as men with cervixes

  22. Doctor “Please sit down madam. I am sorry to tell you that you have testicular cancer”
    Patient “That cannot be – I identify as a Lady”.
    Doctor “Fair enough, good day”.

    Be interesting to see what occurs in the Kiera Bell v Tavistock case too .

  23. “Their NHS records and digital systems have them defined in their databases as male. But as stated they have uteri and cervixes and experience many of the same problems and need the same gynaecological surgery as females. ”

    So this is a problem created by altering the records from something that is physically and verifiably true to something that is physically and verifiably untrue. Wouldn’t it be better to have, on the database, some additional categories? “Biologically female but identifies as male”, and the converse? I’m sure the non-binary communities can come up with a couple of snappier words for those conditions, and probably have already.

    But we seemingly can’t have a problem-solving solution like that, because it would conflict with the current fad, and it is only a current fad as until Thursday last week it was totally fine that there were dozens, maybe hundreds, of different gender identities to choose from, INCLUDING the two categories I am proposing, that all trans people are really, truly, and actually the gender they feel like, AND of that biological sex too, irrespective of chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive plumbing.

    So the healthcare problem is entirely one of the PC-enforcing trans lobby’s own making. The doctor will treat A as a woman because to do otherwise is to risk dismissal and worse. Next week, B will be able to sue the beautician to force her to wax her scrotum.

  24. @Commander Jameson, “Next week, B will be able to sue the beautician to force her to wax her scrotum.” It’s already happened. Jonathan “Jessica” Yanniv sued a number of beauticians in Canada because he was male until Rebel News got the story and exposed him.

  25. A tiny number may have bits from the other sex in them as genetic error. Perhaps a slightly higher number than are born with two heads.

    But not much.

  26. SadButMadLad, the Yaniv thing has been great to watch over the last year or so, but the interesting thing I noted was that apparently they use different types of waxes for men and women and if you use the womens one on a mans dangly bits it can do serious damage when pulled off. Let him have it I say.

  27. The worse thing you can ever do with sexual deviants, rabid ecologists, socialists or the religious is enter a dialogue with them. They are not listening to you. You are not having a conversation. For them, because you’ve acknowledged their position, you’ve given it validity.
    This is something Tim fails to recognise with this geezer-in-a-frock. He’s playing to what the nonce wants. To be noticed. To receive attention.

  28. Well, yes, possibly something you read here. As a stepdaughter has the licence to do these things and she says it’s very important indeed not to use the wrong wax…..

  29. Josephine: ’ So, like it or not, NHS and many other organisations are adapting their systems to recognise that their are men who have uteri and women who have prostates for good medical reasons..’

    Whatever that is, it’s the very antithesis of ‘good medical reasons’.

  30. @BiS

    “The worse thing you can ever do with sexual deviants, rabid ecologists, socialists or the religious is enter a dialogue with them. They are not listening to you. You are not having a conversation.”

    And you certainly can’t ever change their mind and they certainly won’t ever accept that your alternative view has any validity. You have to ignore them. They’re going to have a tantrum anyway.

    The last Tory who understood that was Mrs T.

  31. There’s complaints about the lockdown adversely affecting trans as they can’t access treatment.
    Given people with cancer can’t get treatment this is about as entitled as you can get to think you should take precedence.

  32. bloke in spain said:
    “The current insanity of our ruling class is only a phase it’s going through. There will be new people a little more in touch with reality. They couldn’t be any less.”

    I don’t share your optimism.

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