Is this a rathole we want to try and go down?

Understanding gender identities and personal pronouns?

The musician and poet formerly named Kate Tempest has changed their name to Kae Tempest, and announced they are non-binary.

No, me neither. But let us progress:

In an interview with Notion in August 2019, they discussed their queer identity: “It took me a long time to be able to stand with my own queerness and where I sit on the gender spectrum.

Hmm.

So, queerness – where it doesn’t mean odd – means same sex attraction. If you’ve just declared that you are non-binary you cannot have same sex attraction. Well, presumably. For to do so would require identifying as the sex one is attracted to, no? Or would this mean that one is only attracted to other non-binaries?

So, can you be both non-binary and queer? And if so are peeps being logically serious or just playing around with words?

37 thoughts on “Is this a rathole we want to try and go down?”

  1. ‘Queer’ doesn’t mean ‘homosexual’ anymore.

    That’s covered by ‘gay and lesbian’.

    Its for people who are not heterosexual (straight) and cisgender (sex matches gender). Yeah, I don’t know.

    ‘Non-binary’ is just thrown in there because these people reject the idea that sex or gender is either male/man or female/woman.

    But, at the end of the day, they all end up acting like butch lesbians – with none of the redeeming qualities of such women.

  2. The Meissen Bison

    It took me a long time to be able to stand with my own queerness and where I sit on the gender spectrum

    People generally find it hard simultaneously to stand and sit.

  3. @TMB
    Isn’t that the posture one adopts whilst taking a dump but not wanting to contact the seat?

  4. Its just another virtue signalling tactic, also a power grab. Look at me how woke I am, also you must do as I say and bow before me.

  5. I’m not surprised it is confused about its gender/s. Having seen its picture I’d suggest the most apposite name for it would be Wayne, as in Wayne Rooney

  6. The Meissen Bison

    BiS – that might explain it: queer means using a public lavatory (which is an interesting throw-back to times past) and non-binary involves hovering fastidiously over a privy.

  7. Non-binaries and Lesbians are like vampires. They don’t exist in reality, only in videos designed to entertain people. Some alienated sixth-formers pretend to be lesbians or non-binary to freak out their parents, and dowdy middle-aged women living together after deciding they don’t like men will claim lesbianism to avoid desperate men hitting on them. But just like vampires, none of them are as exciting as the proper ones in the videos. Don’t be taken in.

  8. So when we use “They” in the third person singular we use the verb for the third person plural?

    It’s all very confusing. Can’t we just use “it”?

  9. Dongguan John said:
    “So when we use “They” in the third person singular we use the verb for the third person plural?”

    Is the confusion about singular and plural pronouns a result of being non-binary?

  10. Dennis, The Beau Brummell of Central Ohio

    Is it now, or has it ever, been in possession of a uterus of reproductive age?

  11. Dennis, Gender Solid

    It took me a long time to be able to stand with my own queerness and where I sit on the gender spectrum.

    Well, from where I sit, I admire its stand on where it sits on the gender spectrum. If more people took the time to sit and think through where they stand on the gender spectrum, we’d have a lot more people comfortable sitting with the stand they’ve taken.

  12. ‘Kate Tempest has changed their name to Kae Tempest, and announced they are non-binary.‘

    They? A plurality. A case of multiple personalities, which means there must be more than one, so binary at least, but maybe more. Call the psychiatrist.

    Consistency demands the Tempest asylum name should be changed to Kae Empes.

  13. It’s getting so complicated that gender education in schools must take up half the curriculum. Yet, scandalously, there is no GCSE in it.

  14. Vaguely remember them from a few years back. Formerly female, white rapper/poet. Another leftist Corbyn supporter, which demonstrates another mental disorder.

    I’m fine with people choosing to get together with whoever they want in whatever combinations they like: male, female, straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, non binary, whatever, but why do we all need to be told? Why are we expected to care?

    It’s about asserting a power; particularly with the pronouns thing. Use the wrong one inadvertently and the shrieking of being misgendered is extreme.

    First solution, only address them by their full name, never use a pronoun.

    Second solution: if you choose to use other than the standard English pronouns, you should be required to wear a sign on your chest setting these out. 12 inches by 12 should do, so as not to disadvantage those with poor eye sight and perhaps an audio announcement for the blind as well, like those “this vehicle is turning left” messages lorries have.

    “Caution: This person’s pronouns are Xi, Xir and Xem.”

  15. You’re being confused because you have the wrong definition of “queer”. “Queer” is an umbrella term for any non-standard sex, gender or sexuality. If you’re cisgendered and exclusively heterosexual, you’re not queer. Otherwise you are.

    Ace (asexual) and Aro (aromantic) people aren’t same-sex attracted, but they’re queer too.

  16. It’s a theology, and has reached the divine mystery stage. Like God being three and one at the same time. The Nicene Creed is a perfect example of a sentence which seems to have meaning but by the use of many words has none, since after reading it carefully you still have no idea of what God being three and one actually means. Gender is going the same way. To subscribe without understanding is your test of faith.

  17. Ian, yes. But even more fundamentally, it is about power. It’s always about power. Doesn’t matter whether it’s the various manifestations of woke, which to me at least seem to be a pincer movement between the more deranged cultural Marxists, old-fashioned Marxists, and Puritans, or whether it’s old-style fascism, or Counter-Reformation Ultramontaine Catholicism, or what have you.

    They’re all just flags of convenience for people with terrible personalities.

  18. Dennis, Prepped For A Night Of Ballroom Dancing (They Don't Call Me Featherfoot For Nothing, You Know)

    You’re being confused because you have the wrong definition of “queer”. “Queer” is an umbrella term for any non-standard sex, gender or sexuality. If you’re cisgendered and exclusively heterosexual, you’re not queer. Otherwise you are.

    Ace (asexual) and Aro (aromantic) people aren’t same-sex attracted, but they’re queer too.

    I’m kinda thinking you’ve got the wrong definition of “queer”.

  19. Theo: another one with ‘issues’, and I’m not sure which set of chromosomes it started off with.

  20. Theo, you’re a good chap and all that sort of thing but please don’t do that again. I am only now reconciling myself to the notion of taking solids once more.

  21. Serious question, but when people like that pass away, are they able to be cremated or is it an explosion hazard?
    ( thinks vaguely of Indiana Jones and the face melting Nazi scene)

  22. I can’t get over the degree of privilege it takes to talk a massive load of knackers like this and be taken seriously.

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