Language, language

When an interview with the woman appeared in The Times on July 27, friends of Mr Spencer told the newspaper she had not mentioned the allegations of sexual assault.
She reacted angrily to the suggestion, telling friends at the time that she had reported allegations of “sexual abuse” to him.

They’re not the same thing, are they? Assault – an heinous crime – and abuse – well, what is the definition of that?

She said: “He never suggested I should go to the police. In fact I asked him when he would withdraw the whip, he first said when he had a police report, then changed it to a charge, then he said ultimately he’d need a conviction.

Eh? She wanted the whip withdrawn – ie, end his career – of an ex-minister on her word alone and without having even reported it to police? Rather Star Chamber isn’t it?

16 thoughts on “Language, language”

  1. If she was a women he’d attacked in an alley –withdrawing Parl whip would hardly be first thought on her mind.

  2. This is clearly a case of a woman scorned. Maybe the Conservatives shouldn’t have been so quick to slavishly trot down the Labour path of allowing vindictive and/or mad women to hamstring a man’s career and life on just her say so?

    But then I remember they aren’t Conservatives at all…

  3. I can’t get your link to work. However the telegraph, which is my best guess, states that the female first complained to the chief whip on 1st April and became upset at any visible lack of action and his (the whip not the randy mp, do keep up) refusal to meet with her again.

    Doesn’t excuse the “she went bank for more, many many times” aspect but the mere fact that a formal complaint was made and nothing was done about it for 4 months will be manna from heaven for the media and is potentially a major black mark against the chief whip. Boris, in other words Carrie, will not be amused.

  4. What business is it of the chief whip?
    Or indeed, any other self-appointed kangaroo court or lynch mob?

    If she truly believes an offence has been committed, she needs the police. If they can ascertain there;’s a case to answer, then…

    But she did nothing. Evidence, etc, nah. A tantrum. Coat the dummy in chili powder and return it.

  5. John,

    “Doesn’t excuse the “she went bank for more, many many times” aspect but the mere fact that a formal complaint was made and nothing was done about it for 4 months will be manna from heaven for the media and is potentially a major black mark against the chief whip. Boris, in other words Carrie, will not be amused.”

    Two people that work for me smashing gonads together, off company premises, and the legality or consent of that is absolutely nothing to do with me. I’m not even that concerned about them doing it on company premises as long as not in the board room when someone else has it booked.

    You go to the police. This isn’t about someone failing to fix the software properly, or telling a customer to fuck off. This isn’t a company matter. It’s a criminal one, and you go to the police for that.

  6. Tim, that’s unfair to the Star Chamber which did at least have the form of a trial (and, initially, was used to deal with cases other courts couldn’t handle).

    Looks to me as if the Chief Whip didn’t believe her story so told her to go to the police if she wanted to do so and left it at that. So she says he wanted a police report and in the same paragraph says he didn’t tell her to go to the police?!?

  7. Bloke on M4.

    I agree completely with your sentiments but we have a weak PM who is quick to do a complete about face rather than risk looking bad.

    The irony is that he is the gonad-smasher in chief.

  8. . . . but the mere fact that a formal complaint was made and nothing was done about it for 4 months will be manna from heaven for the media . . .

    Maybe, but that might be negated by the alleged victim doing nothing about it for 9 months from the first instance of sexual assault / abuse, and for 3 months from the last. And then the thing that was done about it was seeking intra-party discipline.

  9. Bloke in North Dorset

    BoM4,

    “ Two people that work for me smashing gonads together, ”

    It’s not even that. As an MP he’s self employed and just happens to be a member of a club called the Conservative Party.

    They probably have rules about bringing the club in to disrepute, but they’ll also be backed up by a disciplinary process that is based on due process and a presumption of innocence.

  10. If he told her to go to the police before he could act further and she didn’t then that isn’t him doing nothing for 4months it’s her.

  11. BiND: that’s the more important point, these people are demanding that this chap be punished before he’s been convicted.

  12. @Tim the Coder, BoM4

    +! Chief Whip said same to C4 News: Not my job/responsibility

    The “she went bank for more, many many times” sounds similar to Salmond accusers

  13. The mere legitimacy of the idea that going to the Chief Whip is a rational response to a sexual assault indicates how far down the rabbit hole our society is.

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