Praising Joe Biden’s climate plan our more local addlepate declares:
In the process, he intends to create millions of well-paying, unionised jobs making wind turbines, building sustainable homes and manufacturing electric vehicles;
Pennycook is stupid enough to think that this is a benefit of the plan rather than a cost.
We’re never going to have a well run country when those who would do the job are this ignorant, are we?
Imagine thinking Joe is aware of any of this tho:
millions of well-paying, unionised jobs making wind turbines, building sustainable homes and manufacturing electric vehicles; to construct a new national high-speed rail network and zero-emissions mass transit in every large US city; and to establish a civilian climate corps to plant trees and protect and restore vulnerable ecosystems. And all of this while seeking to tackle racial and economic inequality by directing 40% of the earmarked $2tn to those communities who are disproportionately impacted by pollution and climate breakdown.
I’m sure the 26 year old policy dweeb who put this together think’s it’s a boffo scheme, but Joe Biden is basically a senile Phantom of the Opera at this point.
These people always like to equate pouring large amounts of other people’s money down a bottomless pit (often with their mates the beneficiaries) with the word invest. I don’t suppose they “invest” their own money with same prospects of a positive return.
Will they be able to plant enough trees to offset those being shipped to the UK to be burnt at Drax ?
Joe Biden is basically a senile Phantom of the Opera at this point.
Could be lulling Trump into a false sense of security, Steve. We might see laser sharpness at the debates.
[tries to keep straight face]
“climate breakdown”
What the fuck is that? Does the weather call out the RAC, or something?
PJF – I don’t think there’s gonna be any debates, but if they happen I wouldn’t be surprised if Joe’s crack team of necromancers are able to inject him with enough baby embryos and moon juice to keep him from shitting himself on stage for an hour.
It’s unstructured interactions with the public that hold the most danger for him, that’s where he’s most likely to get confused and threaten to punch people’s dogs in the mouth.
I’m waiting for the Monty Python moment: “I gave him my baby to kiss and he bit it in the head.”.
You’re just a dog-faced pony soldier, Steve.
Yeah, I’ve seen the new lefty propaganda against Presidential debates. They’re also calling for a crack team of independent fact-checkers to report on Trump’s lies – sorry, the candidates’ accuracy – before the debate ends.
Doesn’t matter, tho. It’s the postal votes wot will decide it.
I get having even genuinely value adding jobs are a cost as an input to production of goods and services.
Isn’t not having a job or having a make-work job also a cost born by the taxpayer who is also likely a consumer and pays various taxes including VAT ON purchases to pay for the parasite classes?
I read somewhere an average imprisonable criminal is doing around £150,000 damage a year until imprisoned. They have no job at any point.
I am a sceptic of man made global warming, but is there not a sweet spot to be found here balancing all the factors?
Jobs for the sake of it are probably not good, but to be totally accepting unemployment on an economic grounds is probably something that isn’t that useful in a politician for a subject of that politician’s society?
Just wondering, really not intended as a critique.
Do come along, Tom. From this Pennycook’s PoV, the jobs *are* a benefit. Or my middle name is not ‘Publicchoicetheory’.
Itellyounothing,
The alternative is that we generate energy using means that don’t require taxpayer money.
“I am a sceptic of man made global warming, but is there not a sweet spot to be found here balancing all the factors?”
Entirely so, yes. The sweet spot being where the benefits of the output are more than the costs of the inupts. To calculate which we’ve got to know which are benefits and which are costs….
I read somewhere an average imprisonable criminal is doing around £150,000 damage a year until imprisoned. They have no job at any point.
I am a sceptic of man made global warming, but is there not a sweet spot to be found here balancing all the factors?
Save the polar bears by shooting recidivists in the face you mean?
Worth a go…
Save the polar bears by shooting recidivists in the face you mean?
Could feeding them direct to polar bears be made efficient?
‘“climate breakdown” What the fuck is that?’
St Greta’s mental state.
Could feeding them direct to polar bears be made efficient?
I can see a new spectator sport! Drone tech ideally suited to following hapless crims across the tundra.
It is common knowledge that climate change agendas do not resonate with the U.S. electorate, and haven’t for years. I suspect it resonates even less now that we’re in the middle of a pandemic and a summer of urban unrest.
In the final analysis, what Poppycock either doesn’t understand or chooses to ignore is that this is simply Biden pandering to the Bernie Sanders vote, which in the end will avail him nothing.
@ Dennis
I hope you are right. I’m a bystander to American politics* but want Trump to win primarily to see lefties crying and wailing.
*so is the left in general in the UK and BBC in particular but they are gripped by Trump Derangement Syndrome and reading their output you’d think Trump lived upstairs from them and was holding raves every night.
Andrew C, the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth will be a joy to behold. Again.
PJF/MC “a new spectator sport”
Lions™ on Ice
@ Tim
That’s not dunderhead – that’s advocating porkbarrel politics to help his (Mr Pennycock’s) union buddies.
Also for readers of the Grauniad wondering how Tarquin and Jocasta will find a job now lots of pointless “woke” high street shops are going bust:
“and to establish a civilian climate corps to plant trees and protect and restore vulnerable ecosystems. And all of this while seeking to tackle racial and economic inequality by directing 40% of the earmarked $2tn to those communities who are disproportionately impacted by pollution and climate breakdown.”
Lots of non-jobs making surveys of the impact of *notional* “climate breakdown” – the current UK “climate” is definitely warmer than it was when I was a small child: projecting forwards that rate of change it will, probably in my children’s lifetime, approach the warmth that Roman Britain knew.
@ MC
Have you designed a gun that polar bears can use? 🙂
Er, yeah, in Re. Orange Man Bad: where’s your wall?
I appreciate the bloke’s been hobbled and spavined by Deep State types, but still. You’re not going to get that wall, are you? Any more than we’re going to shell our own cross-Channel invasion force, kindly chaperoned here by the French Navy, before being accommodated by me, the taxpayer.
It’s just more of the same business-as-usual, but overseen by people the Enemy sets up as straw men, to (pretend to) hate (so we think we’re getting something).
It’s all a bit Matrix-ish.
Agents of suffering
Evidence is mounting that Joe Biden’s party has adopted a by-any-means necessary approach to winning in November
https://youtu.be/bHKULxt14eY?t=342
The Democrats are selfish, mean people who behave as if they’re playing a monopoly game with no real human damage, pain or consequences
Unsealed docs say Bill Clinton visited Epstein’s private island
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqXXQjqTtfo
@Itellyounothing August 4, 2020 at 12:30 pm
Studies have been done on cost of green jobs. Results generally are each green job destroys 2-3 higher paying real jobs due to increased costs across economy
Think about Drax – wood cost/ton is >double coal. Then they need need to purchase twice as much wood by weight (and x4 volume) to produce electricity compared to coal
I hope you are right. I’m a bystander to American politics but want Trump to win primarily to see lefties crying and wailing.
Biden and the Democrats think the “Bernie Vote” is the key to the election. I think they are wrong. Why was Bernie such a force in 2016? Because he was running against Hillary. Just as Barack Obama became a force because he Wasn’t Hillary, so Bernie Sander became a force because he Wasn’t Hillary. In 2019-20, Bernie couldn’t put up a half-decent fight against Joe Biden. Joe Biden. This huge “Bernie Vote” waiting to be tapped by the “Right” Democrat Candidate is a myth.
Cities under Democrat governance are burning. July set a new record for gun sales. Joe Biden sits in a basement doing shitty podcasts. He can’t make up his mind (what’s left of it) on a VP because he’s boxed himself into choosing from a pool of candidates that are all deeply flawed. And now the battle cry is going up for him to refuse to debate Trump… as if that will go win over undecideds and generate enthusiasm.
Dennis, yeah. Yes. Yeah. I dare say you’re right.
But who cares?
Where’s your wall?
Plus: Gorsuch did what, voted to turn, er, Oklahoma into a foreign state? Or something.
I’m really aware that the climate has changed in my lifetime. For example, when I was a kid we lived a couple of roads away from the coast just north of Sunderland, and I went to school in short trousers. The house we lived in had single-glazed steel framed windows, and there was a fireplace in and it wasn’t lit 24 hours a day and in one room only, even in the winter.Boy, the climate was cold back then in the 1950s. My father’s car at the time and several that followed it did not have a heater.
It’s so much warmer now. Here I am in my 70s, with a car with climate control outside the front door. The house is centrally heated, and the windows are double glazed. I live in the SE of England, a long way from the coast. Boy, the climate is so much warmer today. Trust me, I know from my personal experience.
@ MC following hapless crims across the tundra
Problem there is you don’t get many polar bears in tundra – no baby seals to munch.
“to construct a new national high-speed rail network and zero-emissions mass transit in every large US city”
For what? The whole way millions of people work has just been upended. Many people have been thrown in the deep end of remote work, and now they’re like “OK, this is fine”. And this isn’t about car factories or warehouses, it’s about office jobs, and that’s most of what drives cities. Those baristas and office cleaners only exist because of the commuters. If the office people go, so do they. If people only travel in one day a week, they might as well drive as the roads will be empty. Maybe some people will figure they can live further out and save on rent.
My guess is that rail and underground are going to go into financial crisis, and we’ll use cars more.
Manufacturing electric vehicles won’t make jobs. The people on the ICE plants will lose theirs in the same number.
Building sustainable homes won’t make jobs. The sustainable homes have the same basic structures, just more expensive materials. At least in the NZ market they tend to take less work, because the super-expensive high-quality material is made off site.
Wind turbines make jobs, but not very many. But you’d be better off if they were just digging holes and filling them in a again.
‘Where’s your wall?’
M’Lud: From what I’ve read they’ve built part of it. As a bureaucrat I’d have to say that’s not bad for a government project.
@john77
“Have you designed a gun that polar bears can use? ”
Fortunately the Second Amendment gives us the right to arm bears. This only works in Alaska. Unfortunately, Canada is gun free.
OT by germaine:
A bear was spotted in North Carolina sporting a “TRUMP 2020” on it’s tracking collar. The usual animal rights activists are offering a reward for the arrest of the man who defaced the bear.
I hope the do find him and elect him Governor. He would be someone who would know how to deal with a few antifa/BLM rioters.
OT but germane:
Autocorrect issues
Trumps biggest problem remains voter fraud. Demorats have done e’thing they can to help him win as have globalist scum.
Mohave – “Fortunately the Second Amendment gives us the right to arm bears.” LOL.
Boganboy – getting close to 2000 miles now. George W began it, Bill extended it (but as he was a Dumbocrat we mustn’t mention him – ditto Epstein Island) and Obama put a stop to building with about 650 miles built.
Excellent example of ‘green job’ = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f426spwHmFQ
“Boganboy
‘Where’s your wall?’
M’Lud: From what I’ve read they’ve built part of it.”
From Wikepedia.
The first [US-Mexico border] barrier was built between 1909-1911.
Barriers were built By George H W Bush and Clinton in the 1990s and George W Bush in the 2000s. By the time Trump came to office there were 654 miles of primary fencing, 37 miles of secondary fencing and 14 miles of tertiary fencing.
It’s just one of those lefty tropes that the wall is somehow evil Trump’s creation.
@ Excavator Man
Do you remember building snowmen? Do you remember snowball fights? I do.
Er, yeah, in Re. Orange Man Bad: where’s your wall?
…
Where’s your wall?
You seem to be having an episode of some sort. What can we do to help?
Mohave, I’d vote for anyone who could put a collar on a bear
‘And all of this while seeking to tackle racial and economic inequality by directing 40% of the earmarked $2tn to those communities who are disproportionately impacted by pollution and climate breakdown.’
No one in the U.S. is ‘impacted by pollution.’ We fixed it generations ago.
And how can anyone be affected by ‘climate breakdown’ when we don’t even know what it is?
‘he intends to create millions of well-paying, unionised jobs making wind turbines, building sustainable homes and manufacturing electric vehicles’
Ahhh . . . payoff to the unions. Obama threw money at climate jobs. Dozens of companies went belly up. After Obama’s crony’s got giant pay checks from them.
Government doesn’t make wind turbines, build homes or make cars. Biden will have to select which of his crony capitalist friends get the work. The definition of a government/business fascist alliance.
@john77
Bangor NI 1960s/70s – snow ball fights a novelty. Snowman once
Winter 2019/20 lots of 1 day snowmen in gardens several times
“I’m dreaming of a white Christmas” – because it’s rare
@Gamecock
Spot on. Solar xxx syphoned what, £500m? – then went bust
@Pcar
White Christmas rare in Hollywood, normal in England when I was young.
@john77
Are you 300+ years old?
Never let facts get in the way of a good story
“The Dickensian scene of widespread snow lying on the ground on Christmas Day is much rarer. There has only been a widespread covering of snow on the ground (where more than 40% of stations in the UK reported snow on the ground at 9 am) four times in the last 51 years”
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/snow/white-christmas
Christmas day 1980. Around 9pm I was too hot & bored and went out for a walk. After about 10 mins snowfall started, rushed home to tell everyone. Grand parents, parents etc all went out to look & whoop – UK 56 North
@ Pcar
Only 74. Snow was normal 20 miles south of Excavator Man’s Sunderland when I was a child.
Like him I have switched from shorts, cotton shirt and school blazer to modern warm clothes, from a (gas) fire to central heating, from foot or bicycle to a heated car (but I still have single-glazed windows because my house is in a “Conservation Area”).
I came south in 1968 to get a job because with two degrees the nearest job I could apply for [unless I wanted to trade on my father’s reputation, up to which I could not live, and thereafter disappoint] was in Harrogate and I didn’t interview well, whereas I was offered a choice of financial sector jobs in/around London. That’s the wonderful Wilson “white heat of the scientific revolution” for you – no jobs in science!
Quoting data starting years after I moved south has as much relevance as quoting data for Australia.