More than a little silly

Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system.

OK.

Under Wisconsin law, Rittenhouse, who is 17, was too young to legally posses the rifle he was alleged to have been carrying at the protests.

Eh?

41 thoughts on “More than a little silly”

  1. “What’s your point?”

    If you read the post’s title, Dennis, you’ll see what it’s point is.

    It’s quite simple.

  2. Apparently he is lawyering up at the moment. I haven’t read what ACTUALLY happened, but a couple of rioters dead or hurt is a positive in my book. I’m suprised no-one has opened rapid, sustained fire at the commie rioters yet.

  3. Dennis, Clear-Eyed As Always

    I find nothing silly about it.

    The citizens of the state of Wisconsin have decided that 17 year olds can be tried as adults for criminal conduct. You do that, for example, to keep 17 year old murderers from being released back into the general public from juvenile detention at age 21.

    The citizens of Wisconsin have also decided that for public safety reasons, a 17 year old should not possess the type of rifle Rittenhouse possessed. Given the events of the last few days, you can see that perhaps that law might have some merit.

    You may disagree with the law, but there’s nothing silly about it. As I noted, 17 year olds can’t vote… The citizenry has decided that they aren’t ready to assume the full duties of citizenship. It’s a judgment call. That doesn’t make it silly.

    Timmy is suggesting this is silly because it isn’t consistent. I’m suggesting that consistency has nothing to do with the law being justifiable.

  4. @ Dennis
    +1
    In the UK subjects may marry if aged 16 but may not vote until aged 18 because their voting can affect third parties, whereas marriage is their own (and their partner’s) business.

  5. Bit like American’s can’t drink until 21, but can get a driving license at 16.

    But we also don’t consider people to be adults until 18 for many things, but will arrest and charge them if they are over the age of 10.

    Different ages for different things.

  6. “Timmy is suggesting this is silly because it isn’t consistent. I’m suggesting that consistency has nothing to do with the law being justifiable.”

    And so you might be, and so you might be. Now.

    But your original question was to query the point of the post. And the point of the post was there for all to see.

    Stop wriggling, and go and have a nap.

  7. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Arson adjacent sex offender and other felons dealt with. Will a jury convict?”

    As someone commented on Twatter: 3 seriously bad white guys shot by another white guy, what’s this got to do with PoC?

  8. Thre BLM/ Antifa terrorists shot; two dead. Good shooting young man!

    If he is convicted, and I hope he isn’t, Trump needs to use his Presidential pardon for Kyle and not some long-dead feminist or Jewish fraudster.

  9. But insofar as the illegality of possession is concerned it does not affect the defence of self-defence so it’s limited silliness.

    one update – it appears the green shirt guy didn’t fire the first shot. When he was initially chased by red shirt someone shot a handgun in green shirt’s direction – the flash aswell as the bang were caught on camera. Possibly intentionally high. It’s also pretty clear now that red shirt guy was in the act of assaulting/battering green shirt when he desisted and deceased.

    This swings or possibly firms my opinion into- Green shirt has an absoulte defence to murder/intentional homicide. He did plenty of stuff I’d be livid about if i was his mum but at the point he pulled the trigger he was actively being attacked.
    https://youtu.be/pbsOIoqcit4

    Another tuppence – Anti F were smashing up cars in the lot and setting fires. There was a perimeter of peeps whose job i think was to run interference for the smashing/lighting crew. Mainly this was making sure the camera holders didn’t get good shots of them doing it. One livestreamer (same guy who id the smashers as AF) minutes before the shooting – filmed a chap walking off and noted he had just been blindsided and had his phone smashed for getting too close and taking pics. So i guess green shirt guy dashed to breached the perimeter goons to get to the smashers. The perimeter goons took off after him and red shirt guy caught up and got to him first, and for a bout a millisecond probably wished he hadn’t.

  10. The “citizens of Wisconsin” haven’t done shit, Dennis. Their elected representatives make the laws.

  11. @ John77
    In the UK subjects may marry if aged 16 but may not vote until aged 18 because…

    And, curiously, in the UK subjects may marry if aged 16 but may not take or possess photographs of each other without clothes (or, gods forbid, having sex) until aged 18 because child pornography

  12. Dennis, Legend of the Parish

    The “citizens of Wisconsin” haven’t done shit, Dennis. Their elected representatives make the laws.

    Boy, you got me there. Yes siree. Now that you’ve set me straight, could you answer the following questions?
    (1) Who elects elected representatives?
    (2) Why are elected representative elected?
    (3) What part of the word “representative” don’t you understand?
    (4) Ever heard of the republican form of government?
    (5) If so, what part of it don’t you understand?

    Feel free to draw pictures if you think it will help.

  13. @ asiaseen
    What puzzles me is why they should want to take photographs of each other unclothed unless they are suffering from early onset loss of memory (aka dementia).

  14. So accurately stating a fact is a “flourish” requiring being “called out”. And “calling out” is deliberately misstating an accurate statement of fact to the point it is no longer accurate. Then comes the refusal to engage or to justify your position, followed by contemptuous dismissal.

    Sounds like you’re going to be voting a straight Democrat ticket this November.

  15. @ John77
    What puzzles me…
    Why not? Simply looking to the future for that time when they are old and fat and the romance has faded as a reminder of what once they were.

    Don’t you take and keep family photographs (obviously not that particular sort…)?

  16. “The “citizens of Wisconsin” haven’t done shit, Dennis. Their elected representatives make the laws.”

    No dog in this fight, but this sentence is just wrong.

  17. Something worth pointing out. Thanks to Hallowed Be posting that link, it possible to view a variety of videos of the incident. So the words “he threw something in Rittenhouse’s direction” or “I saw him throw a plastic bag” are not telling the whole story. The “plastic bag” was blazing & obviously contained something of considerable weight to travel that far. It doesn’t take much imagination to guess the contents were a glass bottle containing petrol or a similar inflammable fluid. Essentially a modern upgrade of a Molotov Cocktail petrol bomb. Fortunately the bottle didn’t shatter because it was thrown horizontally rather than lobbed. If it had have dome so it would have doused Rittenhouse with burning liquid with likely fatal consequences. That was obviously the intention.

  18. Having looked at in more detail the whole mess is…well, a mess, with multiple armed individuals shooting, threatening to shoot or attacking with fists, skateboards, etc., a kid armed with a rifle. It’s all a bit silly, but any decent defence attorney (and they seem to have accepted the services of the lawyer who acted for Covington Catholic student Nick Sandmann). Not that the cases are any way similar, but probably make conservative types more likely to cover the funding.

    I can’t see the murder charges sticking to be honest, there was provocation beyond justification for self-defence and the people he killed and injured all had criminal records (some extensive) for things like sexual offences with a minor, burglary and domestic violence. Plus, they were all white, so doesn’t even play to the “Racist Whitey” agenda. In addition the kid claims to be Hispanic on his mothers side, so even the “Racist Whitey” bit doesn’t quite work.

    No DA would want to take this case to trial on a murder rap, it’s somewhere between unwinnable and a at best a crap shoot. Get the wrong jury and you’d have lost before the opening arguments.

    I’ll bet this gets a plea deal down to a misdemeanour illegal weapons charge and that’ll be it.

  19. The US has federal laws concerning militias – there are two kinds, the official militia (National Guard) and the unofficial militia, which is every able bodied male between 17 and 45 years of age. Given that the 2nd amendment has been incorporated against the States I don’t see how Wisconsin has ANY case here.

  20. The US has federal laws concerning militias – there are two kinds, the official militia (National Guard) and the unofficial militia, which is every able bodied male between 17 and 45 years of age. Given that the 2nd amendment has been incorporated against the States I don’t see how Wisconsin has ANY case here.

    The misdemeanour offence of “Discharging a firearm within city limits” seems to get used quite a lot and I don’t hear it being tossed because of 2nd Amendment issues. Ain’t the possession or ownership, just the discharging within city limits that is unlawful.

  21. ” the unofficial militia, which is every able bodied male between 17 and 45 years of age. ” If that’s the constitution, as you’ve written it, then that sounds as if it puts the onus on male citizens to be a member of an armed militia. And the 17 lower age limit would take precedence any higher age limit for being in possession of a firearm whilst a member. So the kid would just be doing his duty under the constitution. Question would be, whether it was a lawful militia.

  22. Would not a charge of “Discharging a firearm within city limits” be subject to the same self-defence defence as a homicide charge. it would seem more than a little silly for it to be otherwise…

  23. “What puzzles me is why they should want to take photographs of each other unclothed unless they are suffering from early onset loss of memory (aka dementia).”

    Have you never heard of sexting? Its less that a couple are taking pictures of each other naked when they are together (tho I’m sure that happens) its more that they are snapping pics of their extremities with smart phones while alone and whattsapping them to their paramour as part of the mating ritual.

  24. “In addition the kid claims to be Hispanic on his mothers side, so even the “Racist Whitey” bit doesn’t quite work.”

    Don’t forget that a firearm has the magic properties of making its holder into a white person. George Zimmerman’s mother was Peruvian, making him at half Hispanic, but he was universally described as white by the US media, and portrayed as a white racist. The kid in this case will get the same treatment no doubt.

  25. John Galt
    Yes, the egregious law of ‘discharging within a city/county law has been used by prosecutors; but all of that has been upended by the incorporation of the 2nd amendment against the States. The “laws” that prosecutors used to rely upon have been turned on their head.

  26. @Dennis

    Is it “own” or “carry/shoot”

    In UK a child can carry/shoot, but not own

    Rittenhouse “Lawyering up” – good move

    Kyle Rittenhouse Shooting: New Videos, Map, Audio Visual Analysis by Criminal Defense Lawyer
    https://youtu.be/e7SooO03bJ8?t=1321

    When he his running around the cars, you can hear two distant different firearms going off, the shots sound completely different from each other

    “he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.” Is going to be a big part of this case

  27. @Tim Worstall
    Kyle Rittenhouse’s actions were self-defence – shoot or be shot (same as cops vs Blake). Rodef merely defines it clearer when out numbered by unlawful attackers

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