This is fun

Yes, African-Americans were always at the bottom, but there was no monolithic “whiteness” in the mosaic anywhere. Remember: when I was at Harvard in the 1980s, when an Italian-American Catholic married an Irish-American Catholic in Boston, it was a “mixed marriage”, and people would shrug their shoulders and say it was unlikely to last.

To an extent the same was true in the UK. Don’t forget, Catholics couldn’t build churches until the 1840s. The Navy was very much a Protestant citadel until well into the 20th century. Glasgow doesn’t exactly have an entirely harmonious mix between Paddie Papist and Prot today. The idea of a unified whiteness just wasn’t the historical truth at all. And given the mixed marriage – or at least mixed child parentage – rate in London today I expect those racial boundaries to decline rather faster than those earlier ones.

18 thoughts on “This is fun”

  1. In our families one child was kidnapped by relatives so that it could be baptised into the Roman superstitions. The price of a mixed marriage, eh?

  2. Remember: when I was at Harvard in the 1980s, when an Italian-American Catholic married an Irish-American Catholic in Boston, it was a “mixed marriage”, and people would shrug their shoulders and say it was unlikely to last.

    Eh, mebbe if those people were already in their dotage. Descendants of Irish and Italian immigrants in the northeast of the US have been happily shagging each other for several generations. Wasn’t a novel idea even in the days when we still thought digital watches were space age technology.

    African-Americans were always at the bottom, but there was no monolithic “whiteness” in the mosaic anywhere

    So it’s not “whiteness” that’s the problem. There’s no such thing as “systemic racism”, but systemic failure and criminality is real.

  3. Anyway, the interesting bit is “Yes, African-Americans were always at the bottom”. And whoever else immigrates into the US, there they stay, apparently, rooted to the spot.

  4. Since the tiniest ‘touch of the tar brush’ makes the individual black through-and-through, Tim, the black population will grow and grow. After all, even Hollywood millionairesses with mixed parentage (and who is to say that the mother in question is all that black) get to play the black victim card even when they marry into the Royal Family.

  5. So Much For Subtlety

    We have a massive industry devoted to inciting hatred of White people. A lesson that too many immigrants and their offspring are happy to listen to.

    This does not end well. It can only end in violence. Remember Niall Fergusson saying that genocide usually begins when inter-marriage is at its highest.

    The future is a brown hand pulling the plug on the machine supporting an elderly White.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    So you have often pointed out. But wishing there was an alternative does not make it true.

    But, you know, maybe you’re right as Aslan will come and save us all.

  7. “But, you know, maybe you’re right as Aslan will come and save us all.”

    Said Edmund, with a contemptuous snort of Turkish Delight.

  8. There is not and never has been any monolithic “whiteness” except among “people of colour” to whom all “whites” look the same.

  9. Whiteness is becoming like climate change. Everyone uses the term, but none have any idea what it means.

    I think it totalist language. When someone says “whiteness,” all are supposed to shut up.

  10. Dennis: Oppressor, Warmonger, Capitalist and Consumer of Petroleum Products

    I look at how somebody by the name of Mark Krikorian can raise the alarm on behalf of “whiteness” against the idea of “Hispanics now hav[ing] their own pizza chain…. [It] may well reflect a kind of cultural secession…” Mark Krikorian finds it alarming that an Italian-Lebanese-American born in Columbus, OH sees a market for Hispanic-inflected pizza in Dallas and moves to satisfy it. And then I think: this was always a grift, this is the fascist playbook—create the bigotry against a despised other, and then use that bigotry to create a volk:

    But dear Bradford has no problem with a Jamacian-Indian woman with slave-owing descendants pretending to be African-American as part of the Democrat ticket for president. Now that’s a grift. It’s also right out of the fascist playbook of creating bigotry to create a volk… In this case the sort of volk that appeals to a fat, white, Harvard educated petite bourgeoisie economist at Berkeley.

    Note this: If Mark Krikorian had self-identified as a progressive SJW who was condemning the Italian-Lebanese American for culturally appropriating LatinX foods to create “Hispanic-inflected” pizza, Bradford would be cool with it.

    As usual, Brad DeLong is full of shit.

  11. Harry Haddock's Ghost

    If chromosomes cannot be used to determine sex, then genes cannot be used to determine race.

    I am therefore self identifying as a black them. Give me all your money, you racists.

  12. ‘I am therefore self identifying as a black them. Give me all your money, you racists.’

    Tut, tut HHG. That’s cultural appropriation. Only blacks can do that.

  13. @Tim W
    Oppressed RCs? Give it a rest.

    Not only Glasgow, all over Scotland
    Edinburgh: Hearts vs Hibernian
    Ratho – Prod; Ratho Station – RC
    England too: Everton vs Liverpool

    Why? RC schools vs Anyone schools as in NI & England – RC self segregating; now RoPs too

  14. When I lived in Edinburgh the religious dimension of Hearts vs Hibs was long dead. Has it been resurrected? Pity.

    What would really improve Scotland is not independence but God striking down Celtic and Rangers, and all their supporters. Just like the Amalekites, eh?

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