We’re surprised, right?

Sexual abuse and violence are rife within French figure skating amid a culture of secrecy that has allowed generations of coaches to prey on their protégés, a government report has concluded.

The report, published yesterday by the sports ministry, said that a government inspectorate had gathered allegations concerning 21 coaches suspected of offences ranging from sexual assaults to physical and verbal violence.

Take hugely ambitious female teenagers, mix with older men with power over them.

This is not to comment on what should happen, nor what we’d like to be happening, it is though to note what is likely to happen.

15 thoughts on “We’re surprised, right?”

  1. The complaints never come at the time, like actresses who never minded the casting couch when they were getting highly-paid jobs. It’s on the descent stage of their careers that they complain.

  2. Serious question: why aren’t more of the coaches female? I’d wager the majority of the students are female, so why don’t they end up in teaching positions after their figure skating career has peaked? That’s how it works in ballet – most of the teachers are female.

  3. Andrew M,

    “Serious question: why aren’t more of the coaches female? I’d wager the majority of the students are female, so why don’t they end up in teaching positions after their figure skating career has peaked? That’s how it works in ballet – most of the teachers are female.”

    Lots of them are female. My daughter does ice skating, mostly with group teaching, and I’d say it’s 2/3rds female. There’s generally a lot more girls taking it up, so lots more coaches.

    Could they find 21 straight French ice skating coaches? Ice skating is high on the gays.

  4. Good point, BoM4. Our host is being unashamedly sexist. Dykes obviously don’t count in Worstallworld

  5. So Much For Subtlety

    The top level of everything tends to be male. Presumably because men get laid more the better they get at anything while most women want to be home with their children.

    It is true of female dominated fields like fashion. Tailoring even – when was the last time you saw a top of the range suit being made by a woman? Chefs.

    So it is likely that top coaches will be male.

    What annoys me is the refusal to discuss the Sixties. Of course back then this was a feature not a bug. Sex was a good thing. Nothing wrong with starting early. We should let it all hang out.

    Now, it seems not so much. But it is a bit late to shut Chestertons’ fence after the horse has bolted. So I am beyond caring. This is what Harriet Harmon wanted. She can suggest a sensible solution.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    I am not sure, really, what Alpha means. I guess it means to be like James Bond – a man other men would like to be and above all the sort of man women would like to sleep with.

    Which suggests to me that to sleep with prostitutes is the opposite of Alpha – even though real world experience seems to suggest otherwise. The only thing less Alpha than paying women to sleep with you would be letting your friend pay them to sleep with you so he can watch.

    Which is pretty much what porn stars do.

    But women like famous and successful men. Ron Jeremy can turn being a loser with a gift into invitations to speak at Oxford. I bet lots of women want to sleep with him *now*. That is pretty Alpha if I habve understood the term right.

  7. I take ‘alpha’ to mean, ‘has lots of sex with good-looking women’.

    Granted, the women are paid, as are the men. The commerciality is not identical normal sexual relations.

    But, I mean, if you’re the husband of a female pornster, you’re almost as low as it can get, in evolutionary terms.

    If you’re the bloke who gets paid to exercise the same, er, rights, that has to be orders of magnitude higher up.

    And the odd thing is, the male performers are poorly-paid. And no one is interested in them.

    And the women are sometimes very well-paid, and very attractive. Aside, you know, from being hard-eyed whores.

    I find it fascinating in a dismal way. It’s so messed up, in so many different ways, I hardly know where to start.

    But being paid, albeit trivial sums, to shag toothsome wenches, as demeaning and probably damaging as it is to the people who do it, undoubtedly ticks the ‘shags lots of good-looking birds’ box.

  8. Would be interesting to see someone take a equal pay case to court over porn wages, is the male just an extra/animated prop so not worthy of similar pay or does the BBC rule of comparative work kick in. Then there’s the whole gay porn (and girl on girl) what if one of the better known stars is paid more than the other performer(s)
    As for group scenes how should pay be apportioned if there’s one main performer

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    Edward Lud August 5, 2020 at 9:55 pm – “I take ‘alpha’ to mean, ‘has lots of sex with good-looking women’. Granted, the women are paid, as are the men. The commerciality is not identical normal sexual relations.”

    And that is the point isn’t it? Men want to be the sort of man women want to reproduce with. We need women to *choose* us. To desire us. That is what wins admiration of other men. The sex is great but it is sort of besides the point.

    “If you’re the bloke who gets paid to exercise the same, er, rights, that has to be orders of magnitude higher up.”

    Does it? You are too poor to pay women to sleep with you so some other man has to so the viewers can jerk off while watching you. At least Jenna Jamieson’s husband gets to do it in private.

    “But being paid, albeit trivial sums, to shag toothsome wenches, as demeaning and probably damaging as it is to the people who do it, undoubtedly ticks the ‘shags lots of good-looking birds’ box.”

    But not in a good way. It is close enough I suppose as there is no shortage of men willing to do it – hence the low wages. But it is not the same as having 5,000 girlfriends.

    BniC August 5, 2020 at 10:40 pm – “Would be interesting to see someone take a equal pay case to court over porn wages, …. Then there’s the whole gay porn (and girl on girl) what if one of the better known stars is paid more than the other performer(s)
    As for group scenes how should pay be apportioned if there’s one main performer”

    Maybe one of the male stars can identify as female and so demand higher wages?

  10. You don’t shag any women without “paying” them SMFS–if the transaction is voluntary.

    If you are “Alpha” the payment may be light–some of your “aura”-speaking socially rather than meta-physically–rubs off on her. Or she feels it does, The lines of groupies waiting by the Beatles caravans in the early days springs to mind .

    But it is still a payoff beyond whatever pleasure the exp might hold for her.

    And that is largely a universal. Cash directly to a prossie or house, status, offspring supported to meet her biological pesterings to an “ordinary” women. It isn’t free–ever.

  11. So Much For Subtlety

    Mr Ecks August 6, 2020 at 7:29 am – “You don’t shag any women without “paying” them SMFS–if the transaction is voluntary. If you are “Alpha” the payment may be light–some of your “aura”-speaking socially rather than meta-physically–rubs off on her. Or she feels it does”

    And that is the point. You are almost there but not quite. Does a man have an Aura or not? If he does, other men will admire him – and women will want to sleep with him whether or not he has money to offer (one way or another).

    Someone who openly pays a prostitute is admitting he does not have such an Aura and he cannot get women to sleep with him. That is why no men admire other men for sleeping with prostitutes.

    Hell, if you have enough Aura women will pay to sleep with you. See that Jemery Meeks guy. Dated the daughter of one of the richest men in the UK. Bet he was pleased. What did he offer in return? Not a mortgage that is for sure. Kate Rothschild left Ben Goldsmith – who am I pretty sure has a penny or two – for a thuggish DJ. That is alpha.

  12. Who a woman sees as alpha is relative to her interests. If she’s into clubbing, then she may well choose a prominent DJ. If she’s academic, she may choose a top academic. If she’s disabled, she may choose the ace wheelchair basketball player….And as long as he excels in her area of interest, and she thinks she can remove his faults, she’ll take the risk….All he has to do is convince her that he thinks she’s special and to make her laugh.

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