Elsewhere

It’s also such a strange thing for an environmentalist to get caught up in. The entire point of ecology is to note that everything in nature is interdependent. Take away the apex predator, the wolf, and Scotland’s red deer starve as they outbreed the food supply. Knock out the moa from New Zealand’s fauna and that condemns the specialist predator, Haast’s eagle, to extinction.

That one part of the system depends upon the others is the very lesson of ecology itself. How did California and Oregon ever get to the position that a fire-dependent ecology shouldn’t ever have fires? That’s the single issue fanatic all over. Grasping onto the one point, burnt birds are bad, to the exclusion of that rounded and mature view that it’s the total environment that matters, not any one constituent part of it.

16 thoughts on “Elsewhere”

  1. I love putting the boot into Greenies as much as the next man, but I am not sure that is fair here. After all, Smokey the Bear was not the work of Green loonies.

    It is just that people came from Europe with a Northern European idea that burning forests was a bad idea, and they were faced with forests that traditionally burnt a lot. They did not realise this right away.

    Personally I love Smokey the Bear.

    Take away the apex predator, the wolf, and Scotland’s red deer starve as they outbreed the food supply.

    Now do British foxes.

  2. “It is just that people came from Europe with a Northern European idea that burning forests was a bad idea”

    In our part of Northern Europe broadleaf woodland won’t burn. You can burn a conifer plantation, or heath, or moorland, but your oak and ash and so forth – not a chance.

  3. Saw a study a while back looking at tree rings in museums and they estimated that there were more fires before the Europeans arrived in the interior of British Columbia than after

  4. @ SMFS
    I am not sure that is fair here

    It is totally fair. Sure, a couple of hundred years ago maybe not, but there is enough knowledge NOW to realise that fire is an essential ecological factor.

  5. The fires are a result of piss poor management over the last 40 years. I have hiked in some of the areas burning in California now. Some of them have not burned in 60 years. They will be an inferno now.

    Environmental regulations have essentially halted controlled burns. Logging regulations have eliminated fire breaks created by logging and logging roads.

    A really interesting read is “Fire in Sierra Nevada forests” by George Gruell (ISBN 0-87842-446-6). Where he takes photos from the 1800’s and compares them to modern times. The amount of low story brush built up is amazing.

    Seeing that gives an understanding of how poor our forest management practices have been. Of course the greenies don’t want us to touch anything. The problem is that up until the twentieth century, people have been managing the forest for about 20,000 years.

  6. So Much For Subtlety
    September 14, 2020 at 11:11 pm

    I love putting the boot into Greenies as much as the next man, but I am not sure that is fair here. After all, Smokey the Bear was not the work of Green loonies.

    It is just that people came from Europe with a Northern European idea that burning forests was a bad idea, and they were faced with forests that traditionally burnt a lot. They did not realise this right away.

    That doesn’t really work 400 years on (even the West Coast has been settled by Europeans for 200 years) and after nearly a century of actually *starting* fires as necessary to manage the forests in the West. The whole ‘prevent forest fires at all costs’ is a post-1970’s policy.

  7. Nothing more dangerous to the environment than the smug urban greenie who remains clueless of how things actually work. They increase the fuel load in forests and other vegetation adapted to a burn cycle. They place ecocrucifixes on the ridges within wildnesses and which slaughter otherwise protected birdlife like bald and sea eagles, bluecranes….Their solar panels degrade toxic minerals into the soil, bury swathes of countryside reducing its biodiversity. Their batteries are mined by children in wartorn hellhole. They interfere with the hunting and sale of wildraised meat on land suitable only for grazing.

  8. Dennis, He Whose Floatilla Fills The Tub

    How did California and Oregon ever get to the position that a fire-dependent ecology shouldn’t ever have fires?

    That’s bullshit. CA and OR have never taken that position. The position they’ve taken is to refuse to properly manage their fire-dependent ecologies. Fire-dependent ecologies have been managed for decades to allow for the necessary fires while protecting people and property. In the cases of both CA and OR, it’s the ecologists and environmentalists that have spearheaded the attack on attempts to properly manage those fire-dependent ecologies.

  9. Last time Trump asked the question what was the state doing with the Federal funds for forest management, hopefully he follows through this time

  10. Ecology is a fake science where people who cannot understand calculus pretend to know the effects of complex differential equations and predict the future with certainty. They make decisions for the ‘environment’ get it wrong and blame global warming.

    Cunts.

  11. ‘Take away the apex predator, the wolf, and Scotland’s red deer starve as they outbreed the food supply.’

    That’s natures way. Most species are in a population cycle, with starvation or other horrible death at the bottom of the sine wave.

    Man abhors death. Nature don’t care; it’s part of the plan.

  12. Not exactly, A…

    A *real* ecologist would point out that wanting an accurate answer on a system with more than 5 variables, with only half-understood interdependencies which involve Quantum anyway is madness..

    Of course… That doesn’t suit the politicians and the press, let alone the Ones Giving Grants, so there’s plenty of charlatans out there..
    And they get away with it, because politicians and the press do not understand any math above simple substraction/addition at all.

    So the real ecologists don’t get the press, don’t get the grants… And find employment/careers where people at least appreciate people able to handle multivariables with unclear interdependencies.
    And tend to /facepalm whenever the words “climate change” come up.

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