Rejoin the EU in order to save the UK

This actually is Will Hutton’s latest argument.

What is Britain’s national project to counter this and about which we can all as citizens feel proud? What would give the unionist parties in Scotland something with which to fight next spring?

Quite why isn’t explained, but the thing to use?

The components of this big politics are becoming clearer: a combination of a vigorous contemporary patriotism, a new British federal constitutional settlement and a commitment to rejoin the EU validated by a national referendum. Only thus can the SNP be challenged.

So we should rejoin the EU to stop the demented porridge wogs leaving. At which point the question does become, well, is it worth it?

21 thoughts on “Rejoin the EU in order to save the UK”

  1. Another English perspective might have it that leaving the EU and simultaneously being shot of Scotland is a highly desirable outcome.

  2. Seems rather an argument constructed backwards from what he already wants…

    In any case, from England’s perspective, Scotland has about half the population of London, and are about 8% of the UK population. There’s literally no reason to overturn what England (and the UK) voted for so that a minority of the 5.5M people of Scotland don’t push to leave the UK. Which they’ll keep doing anyway in any case cos that’s their entire schtick.

    So the whole premise is absurd.

  3. “…is it worth it?”

    The Romans came to the realisation 1900 years ago that there wasn’t anything north of the border worth hanging onto.

    Nothing has changed.

  4. “…validated by a referendum”?

    If you ask the people to vote, it won’t be to join. Any plan to join the EU “by letting the people vote” is instantly flawed.

  5. So Much For Subtlety

    Jonathan September 6, 2020 at 8:44 am – “The Romans came to the realisation 1900 years ago that there wasn’t anything north of the border worth hanging onto.”

    Oh come on. Kippers aren’t that bad. Damn hard to get hold of mind you. And the salmon is rather nice.

  6. One can only assume that Will Hutton has some excellent connections. He’s regularly featured / quoted in the press and broadcasting media, but what has he actually done – apart from bankrupting a couple of charitable institutions and a bit of quango-hopping?

  7. “What is Britain’s national project to counter this and about which we can all as citizens feel proud?”

    This is just the wrong questions, because most citizens don’t give a shit about some feel-proud project. Sure, the media loves a Millenium Dome and the Olympics, but most people really don’t care that much. Even the monarchy doesn’t have the same national grip it once did.

    The problem with the union is that it’s an anachronism. It exists because a king 300 years ago decided it would be in his/England’s interest to have Scotland around. Probably to add more fighting men so that foreign neighbours couldn’t invade. The 18th/19th/early 20th centuries were a time of small countries and city states merging to be able to defend against outsiders.

    When one party in a union just sees it as all outflows, they aren’t going to stay for long.

  8. Milord Baron, you may also recall he wrote a book which became one of those now-you-see-it-now-you-don’ts, an instant smash hit, also instantly forgotten. It was early cloud cover for the Blair revolution.

    My impression at the time was that his past as a stockbroker stood him in very good book marketing-stead when positioning a tome intended to seduce readers into supposing that his prescriptions were both sound and made in good faith.

    Not that I revere stockbrokers.

    Plus, everything you said.

    See also: Mandelson and Patten.

  9. When one party in a union just sees it as all outflows, they aren’t going to stay for long.

    If Scotland actually wanted Independance rather than just devolution plus more wonga from the English taxpayer then they would have demanded that the 2014 Referendum be a UK national one. They’d have been granted an overwhelming majority since the vast majority of English taxpayers would be glad to get rid of Alex Salmond/Nicola Sturgeon and their band of demented porridge wogs.

    However, the SNP knows full well that an Independent Scotland would be bankrupt the day after due to a tax deficit that stands at £9 billion a year right now. That would absolutely increase substantially as any decent Scottish company, taxpayer or employee flees South ahead of the SNP terror.

  10. John Galt:the vast majority of English taxpayers would be glad to get rid of Alex Salmond/Nicola Sturgeon and their band of demented porridge wogs

    The spirit of Butcher Cumberland lives!

  11. “Rejoin the EU in order to save the UK”

    So…what your saying is… Reject a 300 year old nationalism and pay tribute into a 40ish supra nation in order to do what a 60 year old nationalism demands in its rejection of the 300 years of another nationalism which it regards as a supra nation, but one which tribute rather goes in the reverse direction.

  12. Nigel Farage: Boris Johnson’s Conservatives have bowed to the woke agenda. On EU I worry he’ll capitulate
    “Accommodating Illegal immigrants cost to taxpayers is £1 Billion per month, £12 Billion per year and rising every day”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFQIyFqk3Mg

    Shocking how fast the conservatives have betrayed their voters. We knew it would happen but not this quick. God bless Nigel for holding them to their word, he’s our last hope

  13. Shocking how fast the conservatives have betrayed their voters. We knew it would happen but not this quick. God bless Nigel for holding them to their word, he’s our last hope

    They’ve been in power since 2010. Even Boris ain’t exactly a newly minted MP.

  14. @JG
    BoJo presented himself as a real Conservative patriot who would put Britain first like Churchill

    Instead he’s chicken hiding in coop from imaginary fox and destroying Britain while Kim Jong Hancock runs the country using the Dan Andrews plan

    28 August: Hancock decrees anti-Gov’t assemblies illegal and £10,000 fixed penalty fne

    Welcome to UKSSR

  15. I am a Scot and proud to be a UK citizen. Worked, because I wanted a job, for many years in S England. I got on really well down there with civilians and service personnel from all over the UK and worked in a real industry.
    I do not want Scottish independence because it would end up ruining Scotland and its relations with the rest of Uk.
    Then it would be competition between the Scots Labour and SNP, once they have morphed into a new party when their raison d’etre is gone, to see who could promise more free stuff, more renewable energy and more ruin.
    Then the parts geographically and culturally remote from the central belt – the Highlands,northern Isles and Borders and SW would push for independence from the central block. Where are the fish, the oil, the farms, the nice shootin’ and fishin’ and nice scenery. Not to mention whisky.
    All the Centre has is coal that they won’t use and lots of brown-field sites where industry once existed. They do not even have a dominance in Italian, French, Eastern, Far Eastern cuisine as excellent restaurants are spread everywhere. A by-product of Scotland, until recently having no racial prejudice – just Tims and Proddy bigotry. The other religions were ignored, welcomed, whatever, and just made money.
    Education will continue its downward slide and we will not have our traditional export of scientists, engineers and physicians.
    Just woke luvvies heading for The US of A.
    Butcher Cumberland just happened to be on the winning side of Roman Catholic – Protestant struggle led by a Frenchman and a Dutch man. It was not an England v Scotland thing. There was no Geneva Convention, or Uman Rights so mercy was generally in short supply.

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