Be nice to have some evidence about this

Climate and environmental breakdown are a crisis of inequality, rooted in profound imbalances in wealth and power both within and between countries. A spate of reports and letters from leading scientists have sounded the alarm on this sober reality, and warned that we will likely fail in combating the climate crisis unless we radically reduce inequality and redistribute consumption and resource use.

The IPCC’s models actually say that a more equal world is one which has a worse outcome. So it would be nice to have some evidence of these assertions…..

28 thoughts on “Be nice to have some evidence about this”

  1. Well, there’s the argument that importing to the first world third worlders with tiny’carbon footprints’ (thereby reducing inequality by giving them a first world standard of living) their ‘carbon footprints’ are dramatically increased … which we are told is a Bad Thing.

    But what about if we reduced inequality the other way around: ban them from here, and (re-)invade their countries – only this time in order to live in the same squalor and ensure that our ‘carbon footprints’ are duly reduced?

    Brilliant plan, that. After you, David Attenborough.

  2. Would it be unreasonable of me to resent being told about inequality by folks with more money and stuff than I have?

    {Of course, those with less are merely looking for a way to get MY money and stuff. Which I still resent but I do understand.)

  3. Yes indeed, a spate of “leading scientists” and other conmen have run out of snake-oil and the punters ain’t buyin’. Some of the hockey-stick persuasion also face libel damages of Steyntastic proportions.
    Hence there’s a danger of serious inequality: the trough filling is stopping. Some of these characters face having to actually work for a living. Waaaaa!!!!

  4. ‘It’s been a year of considerable blows to the fossil fuel industry. Thursday’s announcement that Cambridge University’s will divest its endowment fund from fossil fuel corporations is another considerable win for campaigners’

    Dennis, can I get a “Buller is a moron?”

    Corporations have little interest in who owns their stock. So Cambridge sells theirs to someone else. Affecting the corporation HOW? And affecting Cambridge how – they need a return from their endowment fund. Someone needs to have a talk with their fund managers and make sure they understand what their priorities are.

  5. seeing as the Green revolutionary goons have clocked that if you amp up emergency / urgency you can swerve scrutiny and due diligence >> we get “breakdown” and “crisis” – just don’t question or challenge with actual evidence.

    One can understand the vehemence of zealots but rolling over for them and dignifying their predictions of doom just isn’t on.

    Elsewhere I see the Guardian didn’t put enough stamps on the redundancy notices – it’s not that they are lacking in the spit / saliva department now is it?

  6. Dennis: Oppressor, Warmonger, Capitalist and Consumer of Petroleum Products

    Why would there be any searching for actual evidence for something that is a faith-based assertion?

    Exactly.

  7. ” Someone needs to have a talk with their fund managers and make sure they understand what their priorities are.”
    If they’re still holding oil’s this side of 50% falls in share prices, they do indeed need talking to.

  8. per her instagram account she likes to travel the world skiing. i presume any flights she uses are powered by wind or just her hypocrisy

  9. Apparently the Guardian are laying off lots of people, and even stiffed them over the postage. In order to get their redundancy letter people have to give the Post Office £1.50.

    Just marvel at the sheer fucking hypocrisy of these cunts.

  10. “So it would be nice to have some evidence of these assertions…..”

    The assertion IS the evidence.

    with apologies to Marshall McLuhan…..

  11. Why would there be any searching for actual evidence for something that is a faith-based assertion?

    See also: systematic and structural racism, evidence of said systems and structures.

  12. Rob, one of the few potentially interesting/promising aspects of Bojo’s Premiership (and the Lord knows I have not been a fan) is: a) his loyalty to lieutenants (that Education SoS, wossname, Wilkinson … Watkinson?; Cummings; Patel), indicating he won’t always just cave to the usual baying mob, and; b) closely conjoined, his apparent determination to install paragons in paragonic positions – for instance, Charles Moore at Al-Beeb (obvs, we’ll see if that happens … and even if it does, will it amount to showpiecery, like Blair appointing buccaneering businessmen to anti-redtape commissions only for them to resign in disgust three months later when they realise how they’ve been used, or will it amount to a determination to reshape the country to a design which some of us might find more congenial?)

    One very good test of all of this would be to see what, once and for all, the bloviating twat does about taxpayer funds funding The Groan via its public sector jobs ads.

    Defund The Groan?

    Why, I do declare, that has a ring to it.

  13. ‘Climate and environmental breakdown are a crisis of inequality, rooted in profound imbalances in wealth and power both within and between countries. A spate of reports and letters from leading scientists have sounded the alarm on this sober reality, and warned that we will likely fail in combating the climate crisis unless we radically reduce inequality and redistribute consumption and resource use.’

    There’s not a word of truth in this mishmash of Leftard ideas.

  14. ‘If they’re still holding oil’s this side of 50% falls in share prices, they do indeed need talking to.’

    Buy low. Sell high. Selling when it’s down 50% isn’t the path to wealth.

  15. By far the largest contributor to AGW is Communist China, generating nearly twice as much CO2 at the USA, burning more coal than the rest of the world put together, polluting the atmosphere with banned CFCs etc …
    China generates a lot more CO2 per head than Britain or France.
    So the Grauniad blames this on British capitalists!

  16. The climate constantly changes.

    On millennial scales it oscillates between Ice Ages (when there is SOME permanent ice on the Earth), and short hot periods when there is none. We are in an Ice Age at the moment.

    Inside an Ice Age, the Earth is mostly covered with ice, but there are regular short periods when the ice melts away to a small amount around the poles. These are called Interglacials, and we are in one at the moment. An interglacial lasts for a variable length of time, of the order of 20,000 years. In the last 800.000 years there have been 8 ice ages, each lasting approximately 100.000 years, separated by interglacial periods of between 10.000 and 35.000 years.

    The Interglacial we are in at the moment has lasted for 17,000 years, and during this warmer time the human species has spread widely all over the world.

    The interglacial will end shortly (in geological time), which may mean that we have about another 3,000 years left before the Earth ices over again. This might also start this year…..

    These changes have been quite regular for meny millennia. We do not know what causes them in any detail. One thing that does stand out is that the Earth may see quite considerable variation in the constitution of the atmosphere, but that the temperature stays within a relatively narrow band. The Earth seems to have a thermostat.

    The historical CO2 changes dwarf anything that humans couuld plausibly achieve, and are many times greater than the changes we are creating at present. In fact, the changes we see at present are indistinguishable from natural variation.

  17. ” A vast amount of the financial system is deeply undemocratic, and – despite the industry’s gloomy outlook – demonstrably unresponsive to demands for an end to fossil fuel finance.”

    “Do you have a significant amout of shares in our company? Ahh… no… I see…
    Do you then, mayhaps, represent or constitute a major part of our clients? Aahhh.. no..

    Hmmm.. Then we have a simple answer for you.. Fuck Off, Hippie!”

  18. “The climate constantly changes.”

    Don’t be a moron. Weather constantly changes. No climate on earth has changed in over a hundred years.

  19. ”A vast amount of the financial system is deeply undemocratic”

    Why would it be democratic ?!?! Ahhh, righties are supposed to be for democracy, so if we trot out the democracy word, they’ll be tricked into accepting socialism, cos democracy.

  20. Gamecock, old bird, you may have fired off both barrels before reading Dodgy’s post in its entirety. I imagine that within the time frames he’s talking about climate can well change.

  21. ‘Would it be unreasonable of me to resent being told about inequality by folks with more money and stuff than I have?’

    Yes!!!! They can give their money and stuff to ME!!!!

    Oh!! You can have your share of the loot too, Rhoda.

  22. “The climate constantly changes.”

    “the time frames he’s talking about”

    “On millennial scales”

    Oh, I see now. Constantly.

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