Charlie, that you?

Pooter is back?

It does, of course, require professional judgement to decide when times might be abnormal. A technician (which is what I think my commentator to be) does not apply that judgement. They do as a result get an answer that is absurd. Stupid even, because it is very clearly wrong to apply a convention in a circumstance for which it was not intended.

To decide when rules do not apply is what being professional is, in this sense. It’s what differentiates a doctor from a nurse: the doctor can decide when to break a protocol, and a nurse cannot. It similarly should divide an accountant from a bookkeeper; a lawyer from a legal clerk and even a judge from a police officer. Rules exist for reasons. Professionals have to use their judgement as to when they cannot apply, which is most often when they would result in stupid outcomes.

I would argue that my comments were in that case exactly what a professional person should do: I disapplied the rules.

Jeez.

Could be dealt with by “Sure, technical definition of a recession is two quarters of falling GDP and now let’s talk about what’s really happening, shall we?”

We are in a deep recession and are heading for a depression. I will absolutely reserve my professional right to say so, and to say it’s stupid to claim otherwise.

Myself I’d sorta reserve professional right to professionals – you know, some who know some economics when talking of economics? But that doesn’t change the Pooterish tone of the first part now, does it?

23 thoughts on “Charlie, that you?”

  1. He wasn’t singing that song a few weeks ago was he, when the Internal Markets Bill was going through the Commons? It was all ‘Rules is Rules’ then and they are never to be gainsaid wasn’t it?

  2. It’s all on a par with his thing about ‘Progress depends on the unreasonable man; I am being unreasonable, therefore I am advocating progress’. And with his dog and his cat each having four legs and so being interchangeable with one another.

    Actually, now I think about it his attitude to facts, rules, and truth is very similar to Trump’s.

  3. Given that ElSpud, by all data to date, is just a chartered accountant…
    Isn’t he, by his own rules, “just a technician”, and as such not qualified to have an opinion?

  4. His distinctions are quite interesting, attitude to nurses shows he was married to a doctor.
    Many of the people he listed are professionals in both a literal sense and in how they do business.
    As my grandfather used to say if someone works hard to care for themselves and their family within the law it’s not our place to look down on what they do for a living or to define them by their job

  5. “I can accuse the government of being corrupt without fear now, because the evidence supports my case. And that’s profoundly worrying.”

    I wish someone would sue the fat bastard

  6. According to Dominic Frisby on Twitter the Bank of England has this afternoon purchased £1473 billion worth of UK govt debt. Thoughts?

  7. “As of this afternoon” or “this afternoon”?

    They’re both wrong but one is insane the other merely wrong.

  8. Forget it–I need reading glasses–it is a decimal point not a comma. 1.4 billion is peanuts to the Johnson crew. Why is Frisby asking about so trivial sum?

    I really wanted Johnson to have made a war losing mistake . He is going to lose but much longer and it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

  9. “It is irrelevant now but what is wrong with “this afternoon”.

    It’s one of those cases where one applies a tad of common sense, Ecksy. What’s the size of the UK economy? An afternoon is approx 6 hours. The big figure is 1.5 trillion.

    Arts graduate calibre, I’d say.

  10. To be fair, how many others can make a living ( of sorts ) as a fat and patronising git?

    The over weight requirement does reduce the field, somewhat.

  11. BiS–I wanted Johnson to have made the mistake.

    And in fairness a moron who wants to spend 250 billion on 2 vanity projects –HSR2 (Budget 104 billion but not going to cost less than 150 billion minimum) and Operation Moonshit at 100 billion–might just be mad enough to magic up 1473 billion in one afternoon. Bollocks to 6 hours–an atom bomb goes off in a tiny splinter of time.

    Tim–I see what you mean now–I thought you were talking some pendantry about the language itself, “This afternoon” is OK as an English expression but not as a time period in which to purchase £1473 billion of debt.

  12. Bloke in North Dorset

    And with his dog and his cat each having four legs and so being interchangeable with one another.

    He has a cat and a dog? I’ll be he has a large flap in the door for the dog and a smaller one for the cat.

  13. “Actually, now I think about it his attitude to facts, rules, and truth is very similar to Trump’s.”

    [citation needed]

  14. @bind – i don’t think he’s got a cat. He’s the arsehole who said if his dog got ill, he wouldn’t have him treated if the bill was too big. Any self respecting cat would work out the mans an arsehole and abandon ship long ago. Unfortunatey dogs are too loyal for their own good.

  15. “he wouldn’t have him treated if the bill was too big”: that’s the nearest he’s ever come to being an economist.

  16. Isn’t the payment of large bills for pets a case of expressed preferences and an example that utility isn’t just about money

  17. But the Elysian Potato is a political economist so his first questions would be, what resources were used to create that dog? Could they be better deployed? How much benefit does society as a whole gain from that dog?

  18. I will absolutely reserve my professional right to say so, and to say it’s stupid to claim otherwise.

    But . . . he doesn’t have a ‘professional right’ here – he’s an *accountant*, not an economist.

    Or is he going to say that the judge can decide when to ‘break the rules’ for medical treatment? That a doctor can give you legal advice?

    Also, nurses, police, and bookkeepers absolutely are professions in that the job has

    an occupation becomes a full-time occupation
    the establishment of a training school
    the establishment of a university school
    the establishment of a local association
    the establishment of a national association of professional ethics
    the establishment of state licensing laws

  19. “Rules exist for reasons. Professionals have to use their judgement as to when they cannot apply, which is most often when they would result in stupid outcomes.”

    That sounds suspiciously like the old: “Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men”. The problem being that we all think we are the wise men and all other people are the fools. Mostly we’re wrong.

  20. Bloke in North Dorset

    You could have some fun with this:

    I’m a professional economist and we won’t be paying minimum wage as it punishes .. (well, you all know the arguments)

    I’m sure if we put our shoulders to the wheel we can come up with all sorts of examples that would explode Spud’s head.

  21. Following commonly understood definitions and mores is for the little people. Great thought leaders of civil society are not so constrained, nor should they be.

    A few of Murphy’s camp followers are lining up to suck the great man’s cock in the comments on that blog.

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