Might need to rethink this

But Jodie Whittaker, star of Doctor Who, was forced to confront the “uncomfortable” truth that her ancestors were colliery owners who became millionaires by exploiting their workforce.
The actress said that the information gleaned in the BBC One genealogy programme was difficult for someone who leans “emotionally” to the Left.
During her research, she learned about the General Strike of 1926, which began when colliery bosses demanded that miners work longer hours for less pay.
Her family-owned colliery was one of the few to remain open during the strike, and made significant profits by selling coal for nearly three times the rate it fetched before the stoppage, while striking miners and their families went hungry and faced a bleak, freezing winter.

Keeping the mine open, thus allowing people to work rather than going hungry and freezing while on strike is exploiting in what manner?

39 thoughts on “Might need to rethink this”

  1. “…someone who leans “emotionally” to the Left.”

    I’ll translate. “I’m wealthy, earn lots of money and have all the same nice cars, houses and furniture as someone who is right wing but sometimes I feel a bit guilty about it”

  2. BlokeInTejasInNormandy

    Became millionaires by having a profitable colliery sounds a better explanation.

    Or was the army pushing those poor innocent miners by brutal force of arms into the colliery?

  3. A suitable case for reparations then. Give away all the wealth you inherited from your evil capitalist ancestors.

    Nah. Her chances of actually walking the walk are about as likely as Geldof dipping into his own pocket.

  4. At the time she took the Doctor Who gig, it was estimated she would be paid around £250k pa for it. If she feels guilty about her privilege, she should donate a tenth of her gross to War on Want or the Salvation Army and STFU. Or just STFU.

    Although to be fair, she was probably giving an idiot answer to an idiot question. The media persists in interviewing actors (presumably because they look nice in photos), despite the overwhelming evidence that none of them have anything to say and despite the inability of most hacks to ask useful questions.

  5. As the hag who was point-creature in leftist ruining of a British institution–she owes us reparations before anyone else.

    And when do the reparations for the 150 million murders committed by socialism get here?

  6. Apparently Jodie Whittaker was born in 1982 so her exploitative “ancestors” in this instance are those alive all of 56 years earlier.

    This sounds like the kind of “confrontation” she could have experienced when Grandad was handing out the Werther’s Originals and telling the wee lass how when he was a boy, he used to go down to ‘t colliery of a Saturday and throw stale crusts of Hovis as the miners came off shift.

  7. Why would anyone feel the need to guilt trip over stuff that happened before they were born? In any case, if you feel bad about the section of your wealth that was inherited from this guilty past, donate it to a worthy cause and then hold your head up and state that none of your current wealth is tainted.

  8. Why would anyone feel the need to guilt trip over stuff that happened before they were born?

    This doesn’t apply to Whitakker, but I can see why youngsters these days might suffer guilt after being repeatedly told in school and by the media that they ARE guilty and that their culture is worthless and that the colour of their skin makes them unduly privileged, even if they grew up on a grotty estate.

  9. the “uncomfortable” truth

    Please. She was probably hoping they’d turn up some plantation slave owners in her family tree, so she could demonstrate some real performative wokeness.

    It was unintentionally hilarious when David Tennant went to NornIron to learn about his staunch* Orangemen ancestors, the Orangemen were clearly delighted to meet him but Tennant was squirmier than Keith Vaz in Dixons.

    *Protestants are always “staunch”, while Catholics are “devout”. Nobody knows why.

  10. @Steve

    *Protestants are always “staunch”, while Catholics are “devout”. Nobody knows why.

    Much like police always ‘swoop’, government ‘defends’ and the BBC’learns’

  11. TMB,

    Our eldest son was born in 1982, his grandparents were born late 1920s to mid-1930s. It’s likely that it would have been great great grandad or possibly great grandad who were running the company in 1926. By the time grandad was an adult, the coal mines had been nationalised.

  12. Steve,

    With the imminent conflict over Amy Coney Barrett’s Supreme Court nomination I sense that Catholicism is about to take a serious tumble down the oppressed minority charts while “devout” will be right out of fashion (unless applied to Muslims).

  13. I know for a fact that my ancestors didn’t own black slaves, and didn’t work in industries that exploited black slaves. In fact, they were oppressed by the same folk who did own and/or exploit black slaves, or at least the descendants of those who did.

    Any American or Caribbean ‘black’ is likely to have had at least one white person in their ancestry, which is why some of them aren’t all that black. That white ancestor was probably a slave owner – like in the case of Ainsley Harriott, as he discovered to his chagrin in the ‘Who do you think you are?’ TV programme.

    As for African blacks, the ones that came direct from their original continent most probably had ancestors who enslaved other blacks and sold them off.

    Hence, I owe sweet fuck all to any bastard with any sort of black ancestry.

    Incidentally, the historic and recent behaviour of such folk has had the effect of turning me against them. Please don’t get me started on Meghan and Harry.

  14. starfish – oh yeah. I’ve noticed the Tories have been making a “lurch to the Right” for the past forever. They should be in the X-ray frequency band by now

    John – I think the last time left-footers were Official Victims was around the time the IRA were bombing pubs. It is pretty lol seeing Yank libs resurrect some of the same talking points last used against JFK in 1960.

  15. ‘As the hag who was point-creature in leftist ruining of a British institution–she owes us reparations before anyone else.’

    Even with Steve on the thread that’s a tough line for anyone to match!! So true – RIP Doctor Who

  16. DocBud – I did the same calculation as you and reckoned her grandad was a nipper at the time of the General Strike. So, yes, she probably never met her evil exploitative great grandfather but that wouldn’t make him an “ancestor” in any accepted sense, about whose doings she would have been kept ignorant.

    It’s simply not plausible that living memory be so truncated.

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    John October 6, 2020 at 10:05 am – “With the imminent conflict over Amy Coney Barrett’s Supreme Court nomination I sense that Catholicism is about to take a serious tumble down the oppressed minority charts while “devout” will be right out of fashion (unless applied to Muslims).”

    Well the media had been selling Joe Biden as a “devout” Catholic. The same with the >removedremoved< Nancy Pelosi.

    But it seems that ACB is not "devout" she is a follower of a splinter sect. Called Catholicism apparently.

  18. So Much For Subtlety

    But Jodie Whittaker, star of Doctor Who, was forced to confront the “uncomfortable” truth that her ancestors were colliery owners who became millionaires by exploiting their workforce.

    If you don’t want it love, give it to me. I’ll look after all that dosh properly.

    My ancestors weren’t so damn lucky. They weren’t even lucky enough to work down a mine.

    (Oddly they weren’t Yorkshiremen either but it is beginning to sound like it)

  19. “ During her research, she learned about the General Strike of 1926”

    She only learned about it then? So much for 16 years of State-funded education!

  20. The miners were able to go on strike in 1926 because they hadn’t been shot for striking in the Great War. Unfortunately they weren’t shot for striking in the Second War either. Neither were the dockers.

  21. Jodie is happy, she has found something to be fake guilty and ashamed of. Zero consequences, pure theatre.

    As said above, upper middle class LARPing masquerading as news.

  22. Several minor points.
    If her great-grandfather’s workers chose not to go on strike they must have felt that they weren’t being exploited.
    She doesn’t agree with great-great-grandfather working up from child miner to mine-owner. She doesn’t think that the reason her family’s mine remained open was that they weren’t cutting miners’ wages. She obviously doesn’t know that most mines locked out their workers until they agreed to a cut in wages to a level about 50% higher than in 1914.
    [Note:During WWI coal prices jumped, miners’ wages doubled, coal mines were profitable but the government took 80% of “excess profits” so the coalowners didn’t get rich (or richer). After WWI ended coal prices slumped back close to pre-war levels but the miners wanted to continue to have wages double pre-war levels and mines were losing money heavily but the government didn’t take 80% of the losses. Mineowners demanded wage cuts, unions refused – strike, which union lost men went back to work on worse terms than owners had offered to avoid strike (because they had lost a lot of money and couldn’t afford to pay a bribe not to strike after the strike). Five years later Miners’ strike led to General Strike which TUC lost.]

  23. Ask worth noting that in some cases the Army was sent in due to the confrontational behaviour of the police that was escalating tension and being more professional de-escalated a lot of issues

  24. I would love to like her as she is from my home town.

    But she is an overpaid talentless hack who has ruined Dr Who, she knew what she was doing and did it anyway.

    Fuck her. I hope she never works again.

  25. I would think that if your business was the only one remaining open during an industry-wide strike that would mean that your workers didn’t strike.

    And they didn’t strike because they thought you were treating them well enough to not want to rock the boat?

  26. A said:
    “she is an overpaid talentless hack”

    I haven’t even bothered watching her Doctor Who, but that’s more because of what I’ve heard of the stories.

    I did see her in the St. Trinians remakes; she wasn’t too bad, but definitely one of the weakest performers (although it was generally a strong cast).

  27. Bloke in North Dorset

    She made her name in Broadchurch which was successful as much for its scenery and storyline as the quality of the acting. Tennant wasn’t bad, playing Tennant and Olivia Colman had the more challenging character. Whittaker did a good job but it wasn’t the most challenging of the roles, although the 2nd series was a bit more challenging for her, in part because the storyline was weaker.

  28. As Broadchurch progressed and her character was given a bigger role it became apparent she wasn’t up to it, though as said above the weak scripts weren’t a help

  29. It’s all there in the section you quoted:

    “Colliery bosses demanded that miners work longer hours for less pay.
    Her family-owned colliery was one of the few to remain open during the strike, and made significant profits by selling coal for nearly three times the rate it fetched before the stoppage, while striking miners and their families went hungry and faced a bleak, freezing winter.”

  30. @ Timbo
    The striking miners were the ones *not* employed by the Auckland brother. They only faced a bleak, freezing winter because they *chose* to go on strike.
    Miners’ wages more than doubled during WWI, profits before tax far more than doubled as coal price soared from 17s/ton to more than £5/ton but the government confiscated 80% of excess profits; after the war ended prices fell back to about £1 4s/ton and obviously the colliery owners could no longer pay double wages without going bankrupt so they wanted to cut wages to somewhere near pre-war levels. Working longer hours meant each miner’s income would be cut less severely than the hourly (or per ton) pay rate. When the Aucklands sold coal at three times the pre-stoppage rates that meant c. £3 12s only two-thirds of the 1919 prices, not as extortionate as the journalist wants us to believe and while highly profitable not fantastically so since they were paying wages at twice pre-war levels.
    The MSM absolutely love to paint coal-owners as black as possible, regardless of facts. Few of them were lovable but one should at least judge them on what they did wrong, not condemn them when they acted in the interests of their workers.

  31. She was ok as Dr Who, though brought nothing particular to the role. It must also be said that the scripts were generally poor.
    Michelle Gomez as The Master (Missy) was excellent, I had hoped they would cast her as The Doctor.
    John Simm as The Master was also excellent, and again might have made a good Dr Who.

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