We should probably call this what it is

Or at least is close to:

But with an emphasis on productive national capitalism, as opposed to global capitalism, the populist right could very well coalesce the GOP around a figure whose platform resembles the “social” nationalism of Europe’s radical right, marrying industrial policy and a moderately expanded welfare state with conservative social values and an anti-immigrant agenda.

Proper fascism probably requires the uniforms even if not the invading places – Ethiopia, Poland etc. But that is a reasonable enough pencil sketch of fascism-lite…..

Much to my surprise the American Prospect even manages to call that right as well……

18 thoughts on “We should probably call this what it is”

  1. marrying industrial policy and a moderately expanded welfare state with conservative social values and an anti-immigrant agenda.

    Dunno. How is this fundamentally different from Jim Callaghan or Ted Heath (pretty sure anybody who doesn’t support sex changes for primary school children and unlimited, unending Third World immigration is an “anti-immigrant conservative”)?

  2. ‘anti-immigrant conservative’. Yep Steve, I’m an anti-colonialist myself since they want to colonise me.

  3. Boganboy – Yarp.

    The money shot in the article is: Progressives are resisting this return to the default settings of American politics

    Not just in the US of States, natch. If Churchill and JFK were “white supremacists”, we all are. And if there’s no longer a broad based acquiescence to a particular state of affairs, it’s no longer the “default”.

    I don’t think populism = fascism tho. Fascism isn’t as easy to pin down as the Left would like (anybody who disagrees with Theodor Adorno) because it’s not really ideological. More an immune system response to toxic progressive ideology.

    If we’re defining fascism as social conservatism (for whatever that means), immigration restriction and some degree of preference for domestic industries/jobs, then pretty much every polity in history was fascist, including the Soviet Union.

    That’s not very useful, so I reckon we should define it based on the size of the Generalissimo’s hat.

  4. I would say that sounds like Corbyn’s Labour to be honest. Although that is just hostile to Jewish immigrants as opposed to all immigrants.

  5. Trump and Brexit both have much in common with Fascism .The appeal to anti immigrant paranoia, economic Nationalism ( ie protectionism ),the use of fictions rumours and lies as propaganda ( How effectively may be seen by the decades before Bomber Command were forgiven for a scale of slaughter multiplied by 10 by Goebbels ).
    The thing is that the SNP with its endless tartan victimhood are also on the spectrum and what exactly is Black Lives Matter other than campaign which says ..my failures are your fault white people. Its always someone else. The Jew, the EU the immigrant, the Liberal establishment, whites, Mexicans, students the “enemies of the people”…
    It is a vast unwillingness to grow up and accept the sad fact that the main reason you Are where you are is you. That is the defining feature of populism.

    There are significant contrasts however. Fascism was not a movement of the old an ill educated .It developed from roots in Marxism and Ethnic Nationalism ( then a good thing) in the 19th century with dollops of cod Darwin Linguistics and Romantic philosophy thrown in. It was young revolutionary movement concocted in shell shocked post war economic chaos.
    The grumbling oldies of Brexit have little of this spirit

    On the invasions and what not , not sure you can especially pin that on Fascists especially -Militaristic dictatorships of all m=kinds seem to go that way

  6. Its always someone else. The Jew, the EU the immigrant, the Liberal establishment, whites, Mexicans, students the “enemies of the people”…

    The Leavers, etc.

  7. No – Remainers did not claim that Leavers were making houses unaffordable were reducing wages or about to flood (like those fictitious Syrians ) anywhere in particular. They did not claim they had infested and controlled diverse organisations such as the IMF Bank of England, the City and so on.
    All these Brexit myths are clearly prefigured by past Fascisms as was the dim witted flag waving and accusations of treason and much more besides.

  8. @newmania – protectionism, what like the EU with it’s hard trade borders around the edge and annual membership fees etc? Not part of the club mate so you’re not welcome…

    The post Brexit plan should be – free trade with all (you meet our standards and we’ll meet yours)… Sounds a lot less protectionist to me? But then I’m a xenophobic, uneducated idiot apparently…

  9. No – Remainers did not claim that Leavers were making houses unaffordable were reducing wages or about to flood (like those fictitious Syrians ) anywhere in particular.

    Quite, Remainers claimed:

    * Voting to Leave would cause an immediate recession and cost every British household £4,300 a year
    * Peace in Europe would be endangered by leaving the EU ( 😀 )
    * There would be shortages of food, medicines, Christmas trees, etc.
    * Outbreaks of super-gonorrhoea (not just confined to Love Island)
    * And if you vote to Leave, that makes you RACIST (ht Dominic Frisby)

    Our survey says….

  10. Harry Haddock's Ghost

    The reason Newmania thinks that people voted the way they did is down to them being ‘racist thickos’ is because, deep down, he is a bigot. It’s classic projection, like in the bad old days when a gay chap at school couldn’t be openly gay, so he would beat up someone else on the pretext that they were a ‘poof’, so as to divert attention way from their own sexuality. We should all feel a bit sorry for him, really, as unlike homosexuality, bigotry is something destructive, and a sign of other inadequacies. Pray for Newmania, brothers.

  11. Henry – I was going to make a feeble cat pun, but I can’t think of any right meow

    Harry – Saint Vitalis of Assisi, pray for Newms.

  12. Steve,

    “Fascism isn’t as easy to pin down as the Left would like”

    The best description is national socialism. If you read what was in the Italiam Fascist manifesto of 1919, it’s the sort of thing Labour people love. And I wouldn’t describe them as socially conservative, either. People only think of them as so because of how much more socially conservative everyone was, and that they didn’t look scruffy like Corbyn. The Nazis were against the church and any large organisation that didn’t come from the state. They persecuted churches and banned the boy scouts.

    When people say that Trump is a fascist, it’s just ridiculous. He has aspects of how he projects himself that are similar to Mussolini, but where are the giant government programmes? Where is the huge spending and labour law interference?

  13. Chris Miller, thank you so much for that link; the best I have seen for some time.

    “ The Holy Cross Monastery … did not even know who St Vitalis was and, after an internet search, declined to comment further on the matter of his or anyone else’s severed head.”

  14. The reality is that we’re likely to face some fairly unpleasant times – the aftermath of Covid is going to leave GDP down a fair few percentage points and governments heavily indebted. Sooner or later we’re going to have some big sovereign defaults and the turmoil that accompanies that. The consensus will turn against migration and the left will find more votes in economic nationalism than in wokeness.

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